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Rev Wayne

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why not join a Prince Hall lodge in South Carolina until your Grand Lodge finally decides to do the right thing; as many others have done who have gone this way before you?
It's not like I hadn't considered it. The main reason I didn't, of course, is the fact that the Lord led me to join, and I had to assume that since He wanted me to join, He had probably already led me the direction He wanted me to go. Not that I left it there, I certainly made it a matter of prayer, but never felt like I got an answer--which is the same to say, that WAS my answer. And the best advice I ever remember receiving about what to do when God is silent, was "Never change trains in the middle of a tunnel."

Any reticence on my part otherwise, was due to some things that you have brought up in conversation on these forums in the past. The one that gave the greatest pause was when you posted something from a Prince Hall lodge somewhere, dealing with "hazing" and some other bizarre happenings in PH Masonry. It seemed to me to stand to reason, that if Freemasonry was as bad as you claim it to be, switching over to PH just might be even worse.

And anyway, I've been waiting for the opportune moment for a project I've been formulating, that might serve to tweak the situation in the right direction. Although that catalyst came a couple of years ago, I don't think it's too long after the event to be timely even now. It's been about three years now since I signed up for a three-year membership to the SC Research Lodge. First I need to send the $15 dues fee in to make sure I stay current, and then it's past time to put my membership to good use with my first submission.

Stay posted.
 
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South Carolina Freemasonry needs voices from those who desire to promote racially unbiased viewpoints. To leave and join a Prince Hall lodge would be removing my ability to make my voice heard. I stand by the current policies of the Grand Lodge of South Carolina which are not in any way racially biased. Policies of recognition are being addressed, and I am confident that over time, they will be resolved. It is not the Grand Lodge that is racially biased, but some of its members. And as I have said before, this is certainly not exclusive to Freemasonry, but is found abundantly in churches, businesses, and local governments.
 
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It is not the Grand Lodge that is racially biased, but some of its members. And as I have said before, this is certainly not exclusive to Freemasonry, but is found abundantly in churches, businesses, and local governments.
Just what have you done about all these examples of racism, especially among Masons? And doesn't it strike you as odd that the same racism is found among those 'good men being made better' that is found among the great unwashed, so to speak? Sounds like your lodges are not succeeding in their transformational processes. Cordially, Skip.
 
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Sounds more like you can't make up your mind from one post to the next. Just a scant 24 hours ago you were saying:

This is just pure double-speak. First you declare that separating themselves into groups along lines of race is more cultural than racist, and declare that those groupings "will never change, nor should we try to do so";

Only to do a complete reversal only 24 hours later, by chiding Jim about the fact that the lodge is NOT doing what you just declared would "never really change, nor should we try to do so?"

Ever thought of getting into politics? That little trick of talking out of both sides of your mouth at the same time would really take you far in that field.
 
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Just what have you done about all these examples of racism, especially among Masons?
I have actually been quite vocal about this issue to many Masonic brothers, and the reception has been favorable.

And doesn't it strike you as odd that the same racism is found among those 'good men being made better' that is found among the great unwashed, so to speak? Sounds like your lodges are not succeeding in their transformational processes.
All men are sinners as are churched men, businessmen, government leaders, etc., and Freemasons claim no different. And contrary to what you attempt to portray, the "transformational processes" reach far, far beyond the any isolated issues of racism.

Neither Wayne nor I claim that racism doesn't exist in Freemasonry. It does exist, and it will likely continue to exist, just as it does and will in churches, businesses, governments, and just about any organization. But it is not the Grand Lodge that is racist, but a small percentage of its members. Your attempt to paint a picture of us wearing Klan hoods to adorn our aprons, is simply untrue. In fact, after seeing many new members initiated into Freemasonry, most simply had no idea that Prince Hall Freemasonry even existed. But once educated on the facts, it is clear that the Grand Lodge does not racist.
 
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This is just pure double-speak.
Untrue. Jim said there were racists in Freemasonry and I asked him what he was doing about them. It's his right to work silently within the Lodge to change it, but I thought he might appreciate the chance to show how he was laboring in the quarries, so to speak, to build the better Masonry.

First you declare that separating themselves into groups along lines of race is more cultural than racist,
Again untrue. I noted that both started in response to outright racism, but that today they were deeply rooted in their cultures and it was unlikely to change. Cordially, Skip.
 
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Just more double-speak, of course. You did, after all, state:

I think there are enough cultural differences between black and white that such groupings will never really change, nor should we try to do so.

First you attributed the separation to "cultural differences," suggested it would probably never change, and clearly stated that we should NOT TRY TO CHANGE THAT;

and now you turn full circle and start asking Jim what he's DOING about the thing you already say we should NOT even try to change.

That's both sides of the mouth speaking at once. And as always, you show yourself a master of the art.
 
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...and now you turn full circle and start asking Jim what he's DOING about the thing you already say we should NOT even try to change.
And sadly, the truth is that I DID state that I am doing something, but then it is rare that an anti-Mason will accept or believe what a Mason says.
 
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