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Ebes asks: When was God ever not reigning?

Answer: When He 'hid His face from us'. Because of sins, God has allowed the world to go its own way and that is how it is until today, but not for much longer!
That a absolute error in interpretation Keras! Now...let's help you out with what God of Himself in the Psalms just for starters:

Psalm 47:8:
God reigns over the nations, God sits on His holy throne.

Psalm 93:1:
The Lord reigns, He is clothed with majesty; The Lord has clothed and girded Himself with strength; Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not be moved.

Psalm 96:10:
10 Say among the nations, “The Lord reigns; Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not be moved; He will judge the peoples with equity.”

Psalm 97:1:
The Lord reigns, let the earth rejoice; Let the many islands be glad.


Let's quote Psalm 90:1, 2 just to give you perspective:
Lord, You have been our dwelling place in all generations.
2 Before the mountains were born Or You gave birth to the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God.


Also...understand when God "hides His face" it DOES NOT mean He stops reigning...it means HE DOESN'T respond to our prayers or worship until we truly repent. God NEVER stops reigning until He gave Christ the reign in Matthew 28:18. That's where we are NOW!!!
Refer to: Deut. 31:17-18, Deut. 32:20, Isaiah 54:8, Ezekiel 39:23-24 and then in v29 the Lord says: No longer will I hide My face from my people, I will pour out My spirit upon them.
This will happen soon after the destruction of the Gog/Magog attackers, who attack the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, the Lord's people, brought out from the nations and living in peace and prosperity. Ezekiel 38:8
As I've repeatedly told you Keras, you READ INTO scripture. NONE OF THAT says God will ever stop reigning. The simple way to get you to understand what's being said in those passages is Isaiah 59: 1,2:
Behold, the Lord’s hand is not so short That it cannot save; Nor is His ear so dull That it cannot hear.
2 But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear.


That's what's going on Keras and that's how God deals with HIS people! NOTHING says he doesn't reign until He gave Christ the reign!
Yes, Jesus CAN act in this world, that is far from saying He is reigning now. We are told Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God, in heaven, waiting for His enemies to be made His footstool. Psalm 110:1, Hebrews 10:12-13
Your premise that Jesus is reigning now, Ebed, is wrong, when will you admit your error?
The FOLLY of your belief as well as Bible2 is summed up in what Jesus said to John in Revelation 22:13:
13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.

What does Paul say of Jesus in Ephesians 1:18-22 and Colossians 1:15-20 over you and Bible2???

Feel free to answer Keras, because I have A LOT MORE to show how you're missing the mark on God or Christ EVER not reigning!!!
 
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I don't deny Gods supremacy in all things.
But in our present situation he is 'hands off' and has allowed us to go our own way. We are receiving 'what we deserved for our sins', Ezekiel 39:24. Then from verse 25-29 we see how He will restore and bless us.
THAT is what we look forward to and we are clearly told He will come and reign visibly for 1000 years.
 
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The only prophecies now unfolding are the seven last plagues. We are now experiencing skin cancer, red tides, toxic fresh water, global warming, an increase in atheism and new diseases, the Euphrates dried up, and we are now fighting the Battle of Ar Mageddon which began on 9/11 when the Euphrates was dry.
That means all previous prophecies have already been fulfilled. For example, Hitler was the antichrist. His Third Reich was the third head # 6 of the 666 trilogy.
 
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That a absolute error in interpretation Keras! Now...let's help you out with what God of Himself in the Psalms just for starters:

Psalm 47:8:
God reigns over the nations, God sits on His holy throne.

Psalm 93:1:
The Lord reigns, He is clothed with majesty; The Lord has clothed and girded Himself with strength; Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not be moved.

Psalm 96:10:
10 Say among the nations, “The Lord reigns; Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not be moved; He will judge the peoples with equity.”

Psalm 97:1:
The Lord reigns, let the earth rejoice; Let the many islands be glad.


Let's quote Psalm 90:1, 2 just to give you perspective:
Lord, You have been our dwelling place in all generations.
2 Before the mountains were born Or You gave birth to the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God.


Also...understand when God "hides His face" it DOES NOT mean He stops reigning...it means HE DOESN'T respond to our prayers or worship until we truly repent. God NEVER stops reigning until He gave Christ the reign in Matthew 28:18. That's where we are NOW!!!

As I've repeatedly told you Keras, you READ INTO scripture. NONE OF THAT says God will ever stop reigning. The simple way to get you to understand what's being said in those passages is Isaiah 59: 1,2:
Behold, the Lord’s hand is not so short That it cannot save; Nor is His ear so dull That it cannot hear.
2 But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear.


That's what's going on Keras and that's how God deals with HIS people! NOTHING says he doesn't reign until He gave Christ the reign!

The FOLLY of your belief as well as Bible2 is summed up in what Jesus said to John in Revelation 22:13:
13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.

What does Paul say of Jesus in Ephesians 1:18-22 and Colossians 1:15-20 over you and Bible2???

Feel free to answer Keras, because I have A LOT MORE to show how you're missing the mark on God or Christ EVER not reigning!!!

I'm aware this will fall on deaf ears, Ebed, but, but for that Isaiah passage; which is PRE-CALVARY, all you did was READ INTO 2nd Advent passages.

Fact of the matter is that, at the Cross "God was in Christ , reconciling THE WORLD unto Himself, NOT imputing their trespasses UNTO THEM" and as a result, His message today is "be ye reconciled to God. For He hath made HIM to be sin FOR US, Who knew no sin; THAT we might be made the righteousness OF GOD IN Him," 2 Cor. 5:19-21.

Fact of the matter is that PRIOR TO THE CROSS, God gave man up to his own READING INTO, Gen. 11; Rom. 1&2.

Fact is that "the times of this ignorance God WINKED AT; but NOW commandeth ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENT: BECAUSE HE hath appointed A DAY, in the
which He WILL judge THE WORLD by that Man Whom He hath ordained; WHEREOF HE HATH GIVEN assurance unto ALL MEN, IN THAT He HATH raised Him from the dead" Acts 17: 30, 31.

In short, God is presently at peace with the world, in His SON'S propitiation.

UNTIL He Speaks AGAIN - THEN SHALL He speak UNTO THEM IN HIS WRATH, AND VEX THEM IN HIS SORE DISPLEASURE" Psalm 2:5.

It is one thing to allow one passage to shed light on another. It is something else to read into a passage; citing said passage, not as a witness to another passage, rather, as a witness of one's OWN reading into..
 
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Time for another look at 'Prophecy Unfolding'.

Many are looking at Purim/Passover as the time when God may commence the end time events. I do not see that, but there are two significant things to happen soon.
1/ The Israeli elections. It is possible that Netanyahu may lose, but more likely he will win and then what to watch for is any accident or actual attack, that will incapacitate him. This will be the fulfilment of Isaiah 3:1-7, also possibly Micah 5:1. Then later this year Isaiah 3:8-26 will come to pass.
2/ The 'agreement' between Iran and Obama, [not the USA!] that will allow Iran to speed up their nuke program. Note that Ayatollah Khomeini is dying and A. Yazdi, an avowed 'twelver' and Israel hater is a probable successor. Also Ahmadinejad is back from obscurity and may have some say in affairs.

Just the fact we are nearly 2000 years from Jesus' first Advent, is significant. There are 'signs', we should be able to discern them, we my friends, should not be in the dark!
 
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I don't deny Gods supremacy in all things.
But in our present situation he is 'hands off' and has allowed us to go our own way. We are receiving 'what we deserved for our sins', Ezekiel 39:24. Then from verse 25-29 we see how He will restore and bless us.
THAT is what we look forward to and we are clearly told He will come and reign visibly for 1000 years.
Think about what you're saying! If God is *hands off*...that would mean He's exercising HIS AUTHORITY...He could be HANDS ON WHENEVER HE CHOOSES!!!

Ezekiel 39:24 makes the point again...READ IT:
24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions I dealt with them, and I hid My face from them.”’”

Sounds to me like OMNIPOTENT GOD exercised HIS AUTHORITY in how to deal with Israel. So once again it's amazing that you can't see God is reigning then, just as Christ is reigning now!

When it comes to the rest of the passage,,,you simply don't get what God is saying. Does not Acts 2 affirm God pouring out His Spirit? Peter affirms as much in Acts 2:16, 17:
16 but this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel:
17 ‘And it shall be in the last days,’ God says, ‘That I will pour forth of My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall dream dreams;


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I'm aware this will fall on deaf ears, Ebed, but, but for that Isaiah passage; which is PRE-CALVARY, all you did was READ INTO 2nd Advent passages.
Before I respond to this Danoh, I'm going to give you time to think about what you just said.
Fact of the matter is that, at the Cross "God was in Christ , reconciling THE WORLD unto Himself, NOT imputing their trespasses UNTO THEM" and as a result, His message today is "be ye reconciled to God. For He hath made HIM to be sin FOR US, Who knew no sin; THAT we might be made the righteousness OF GOD IN Him," 2 Cor. 5:19-21.
WHat does that have to do with God dealing with believers when they sin? Tell me, when did that change?
Fact of the matter is that PRIOR TO THE CROSS, God gave man up to his own READING INTO, Gen. 11; Rom. 1&2.
That is a most erroneous reading of scripture...and All I need do is point out Romanss 1:16-20:
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “But the righteous man shall live by faith.”
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.


Think about what you said "God gave up on man..." Yet Christ went to the cross to redeem man, something God stated He would do in Genesis 3:15. :confused:
Fact is that "the times of this ignorance God WINKED AT; but NOW commandeth ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENT: BECAUSE HE hath appointed A DAY, in the
which He WILL judge THE WORLD by that Man Whom He hath ordained; WHEREOF HE HATH GIVEN assurance unto ALL MEN, IN THAT He HATH raised Him from the dead" Acts 17: 30, 31.
Well just a second Danoh...take that and read Isaiah 59 1, 2 again. Please show the inconsistency...because if I'm not mistaken, in the judgment, that results in total separation from God.
In short, God is presently at peace with the world, in His SON'S propitiation.
In short please point that out in scripture. Also, please think about the fact that THE ONLY WAY anyone is at peace with God is through JUSTIFICATION!
Romans 5:1, 2:
Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.

UNTIL He Speaks AGAIN - THEN SHALL He speak UNTO THEM IN HIS WRATH, AND VEX THEM IN HIS SORE DISPLEASURE" Psalm 2:5.
You do realize Psalm 2 is messianic??? It's speaking of Christ reigning Danoh! Look at verse 6:
6 “But as for Me, I have installed My King Upon Zion, My holy mountain.”

Now read Hebrew 1:1-4:
1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
4 having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.

Do you realize what's going on there??? I asked you this once, but I'll ask again...what did Jesus sit on at God right hand?
It is one thing to allow one passage to shed light on another. It is something else to read into a passage; citing said passage, not as a witness to another passage, rather, as a witness of one's OWN reading into..
That's why I responded...to show how you do exactly what you said above. :o
 
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For example, Hitler was the antichrist. His Third Reich was the third head # 6 of the 666 trilogy.

Note that the "666" in Revelation 13:17c-18, in the original Greek Textus Receptus, isn't a trilogy of sixes ("6-6-6"), but 3 different Greek letters (Chi, Xi, and Stigma), the gematrial values of which (600, 60, and 6) must be added together to arrive at the total number (six hundred and sixty-six) which we represent today in decimal notation and Arabic numerals as 666. Before the West adopted decimal notation and Arabic numerals, the West used Roman numerals, in which the number six hundred and sixty-six was represented by DCLXVI.

Also, what the six hundred and sixty-six in Revelation 13:17c-18 refers to is the "number of the name" of the individual man who is the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast"). The number of a name (Revelation 13:17c-18, Revelation 15:2) is determined by employing the ancient method of gematria, by which numerical values are assigned to the letters of any alphabet as follows: the first nine letters are 1 through 9, the next nine letters are 10 through 90 (counting by tens), and the rest of the letters are 100, 200, 300, etc., to the end of the alphabet. In Revelation 13:18, the "counting", the adding up, of the gematrial number of the Antichrist's name should be done in the same way that the gematrial numerical values of the 3 Greek letters (Chi, Xi, and Stigma) at the end of Revelation 13:18 (in the original Greek Textus Receptus) are added up to arrive at the number six hundred and sixty-six.

The numerical values of the letters of the ancient Greek alphabet (including the 3 obsolete letters of Stigma, Qoppa, and Sampi) were as follows: Alpha = 1, Beta = 2, Gamma = 3, Delta = 4, Epsilon = 5, Stigma = 6, Zeta = 7, Eta = 8, Theta = 9, Iota = 10, Kappa = 20, Lambda = 30, Mu = 40, Nu = 50, Xi = 60, Omikron = 70, Pi = 80, Qoppa = 90, Rho = 100, Sigma = 200, Tau = 300, Upsilon = 400, Phi = 500, Chi = 600, Psi = 700, Omega = 800, Sampi = 900.

Just as the numerical values of Chi, Xi, and Stigma at the end of Revelation 13:18 (in the Textus Receptus) add up to 666, so the numerical values of the letters in the Antichrist's name will add up to 666 (Revelation 13:17c-18). John used the Greek alphabet because it was the most common one used by believers when the book of Revelation was written. Today, the English alphabet is the most common one used by believers, insofar as English is the current lingua franca of the world. So the Antichrist's name will most likely add up to 666 in the English alphabet. The purpose of Revelation 13:17c-18 is to facilitate for believers, not make difficult for them, the identification of a certain man as possibly being the Antichrist. If the letters in his name had to be transliterated into the Greek alphabet, this would vitiate this purpose, for almost all believers today wouldn't know how to properly perform this transliteration, and so different believers would come up with different transliterations, and so would come up with different gematrial numbers for the name of the man in question.

If believers think that someone is the Antichrist, they need to check and make sure that his name adds up to 666 in gematria (Revelation 13:17c-18). If it doesn't, then he isn't the Antichrist. If it does, then he could be, and they need to be especially wary of him and not be taken in by any deceptive charisma, intelligence, or amazing deeds which he might display. But even if someone's name adds up to 666, this doesn't mean that he is definitely the Antichrist. For just by chance there could be more than one person in the world whose name adds up to 666. The Antichrist also has to come from a country the territory of which used to be part of one of the 4 Diadochian Greek kingdoms which succeeded Alexander the Great (Daniel 8:8-9,21-25). These kingdoms stretched from Greece over to Iran, and down into Egypt. So the Antichrist could come from the Middle East. He could be an Arab who will come from Lebanon, from the modern city of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:4), and have a name like (for example) "Nabil Abdullah Falakal al-Hakim", which adds up to 666.

But if a man from the Middle East has a name which adds up to 666, even this doesn't assure that he is the Antichrist. For he also has to sit (at least one time) in a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, Daniel 11:31,36, Matthew 24:15, Revelation 11:1-2). Once he does that, there won't be any more room for doubt over whether or not he is the Antichrist; his identity will have been definitely revealed (2 Thessalonians 2:3b-4).

The gematrial numerical values of the letters of the English alphabet are: A=1, B=2, C=3, D=4, E=5, F=6, G=7, H=8, I=9, J=10, K=20, L=30, M=40, N=50, O=60, P=70, Q=80, R=90, S=100, T=200, U=300, V=400, W=500, X=600, Y=700, Z=800. The way that the gematrial number of a name is "counted" (Revelation 13:17c-18), is added up, is simply by adding up the gematrial numerical values of all the letters in that name. So, for example, the number of the name "John Mark Smith" is 636, because: J=10, O=60, H=8, N=50, M=40, A=1, R=90, K=20, S=100, M=40, I=9, T=200, H=8. Total = 636. The Antichrist's name will add up to 666 (Revelation 13:17c-18).
 
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Can posters please consider the Original Post of threads?
Subjects such as the number of the 'beast' and whether God is reigning on earth should have their own threads.

Here is an article that should give concern, as Iran continues along the path to its destiny.
huffingtonpost.com/akbar-ganji/iran-hardliners-comeback_b_6857656. Iran's Hardliners Might Be Making a Comeback -- And the West Should Pay Attention
 
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Note that the "666" in Revelation 13:17c-18, in the original Greek Textus Receptus, isn't a trilogy of sixes ("6-6-6"), but 3 different Greek letters (Chi, Xi, and Stigma), the gematrial values of which (600, 60, and 6) must be added together to arrive at the total number (six hundred and sixty-six) which we represent today in decimal notation and Arabic numerals as 666. Before the West adopted decimal notation and Arabic numerals, the West used Roman numerals, in which the number six hundred and sixty-six was represented by DCLXVI.

Also, what the six hundred and sixty-six in Revelation 13:17c-18 refers to is the "number of the name" of the individual man who is the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast"). The number of a name (Revelation 13:17c-18, Revelation 15:2) is determined by employing the ancient method of gematria, by which numerical values are assigned to the letters of any alphabet as follows: the first nine letters are 1 through 9, the next nine letters are 10 through 90 (counting by tens), and the rest of the letters are 100, 200, 300, etc., to the end of the alphabet. In Revelation 13:18, the "counting", the adding up, of the gematrial number of the Antichrist's name should be done in the same way that the gematrial numerical values of the 3 Greek letters (Chi, Xi, and Stigma) at the end of Revelation 13:18 (in the original Greek Textus Receptus) are added up to arrive at the number six hundred and sixty-six.

The numerical values of the letters of the ancient Greek alphabet (including the 3 obsolete letters of Stigma, Qoppa, and Sampi) were as follows: Alpha = 1, Beta = 2, Gamma = 3, Delta = 4, Epsilon = 5, Stigma = 6, Zeta = 7, Eta = 8, Theta = 9, Iota = 10, Kappa = 20, Lambda = 30, Mu = 40, Nu = 50, Xi = 60, Omikron = 70, Pi = 80, Qoppa = 90, Rho = 100, Sigma = 200, Tau = 300, Upsilon = 400, Phi = 500, Chi = 600, Psi = 700, Omega = 800, Sampi = 900.

Just as the numerical values of Chi, Xi, and Stigma at the end of Revelation 13:18 (in the Textus Receptus) add up to 666, so the numerical values of the letters in the Antichrist's name will add up to 666 (Revelation 13:17c-18). John used the Greek alphabet because it was the most common one used by believers when the book of Revelation was written. Today, the English alphabet is the most common one used by believers, insofar as English is the current lingua franca of the world. So the Antichrist's name will most likely add up to 666 in the English alphabet. The purpose of Revelation 13:17c-18 is to facilitate for believers, not make difficult for them, the identification of a certain man as possibly being the Antichrist. If the letters in his name had to be transliterated into the Greek alphabet, this would vitiate this purpose, for almost all believers today wouldn't know how to properly perform this transliteration, and so different believers would come up with different transliterations, and so would come up with different gematrial numbers for the name of the man in question.

If believers think that someone is the Antichrist, they need to check and make sure that his name adds up to 666 in gematria (Revelation 13:17c-18). If it doesn't, then he isn't the Antichrist. If it does, then he could be, and they need to be especially wary of him and not be taken in by any deceptive charisma, intelligence, or amazing deeds which he might display. But even if someone's name adds up to 666, this doesn't mean that he is definitely the Antichrist. For just by chance there could be more than one person in the world whose name adds up to 666. The Antichrist also has to come from a country the territory of which used to be part of one of the 4 Diadochian Greek kingdoms which succeeded Alexander the Great (Daniel 8:8-9,21-25). These kingdoms stretched from Greece over to Iran, and down into Egypt. So the Antichrist could come from the Middle East. He could be an Arab who will come from Lebanon, from the modern city of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:4), and have a name like (for example) "Nabil Abdullah Falakal al-Hakim", which adds up to 666.

But if a man from the Middle East has a name which adds up to 666, even this doesn't assure that he is the Antichrist. For he also has to sit (at least one time) in a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, Daniel 11:31,36, Matthew 24:15, Revelation 11:1-2). Once he does that, there won't be any more room for doubt over whether or not he is the Antichrist; his identity will have been definitely revealed (2 Thessalonians 2:3b-4).

The gematrial numerical values of the letters of the English alphabet are: A=1, B=2, C=3, D=4, E=5, F=6, G=7, H=8, I=9, J=10, K=20, L=30, M=40, N=50, O=60, P=70, Q=80, R=90, S=100, T=200, U=300, V=400, W=500, X=600, Y=700, Z=800. The way that the gematrial number of a name is "counted" (Revelation 13:17c-18), is added up, is simply by adding up the gematrial numerical values of all the letters in that name. So, for example, the number of the name "John Mark Smith" is 636, because: J=10, O=60, H=8, N=50, M=40, A=1, R=90, K=20, S=100, M=40, I=9, T=200, H=8. Total = 636. The Antichrist's name will add up to 666 (Revelation 13:17c-18).
The fact that we are now experiencing the 7 last plagues is proof that all previous prophecies have already been fulfilled including the 666 prophecy. God knew how the number would be expressed in modern Bibles. Hitler was a reincarnation of the original head # 6 of the beast (pagan Rome) because he killed a lot of Christians and Jews as Rome did, and he called his reign the Third Reign of the Roman Empire.
 
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The fact that we are now experiencing the 7 last plagues is proof that all previous prophecies have already been fulfilled including the 666 prophecy.

Note that the Bible prophecy regarding the 7 last plagues of the 7 vials of God's wrath (Revelation chapters 15-16) isn't unfolding now, for it will be the last stage of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, after the unfolding of the never-fulfilled Revelation chapters 6 to 15. At the 1st vial, an awful sore will appear on only those people who will have received the Antichrist's mark and worshipped his image (Revelation 16:2). At the 2nd vial, the sea will become like the blood of a dead man, and every living creature in the sea will die (Revelation 16:3). At the 3rd vial, all natural, surface sources of fresh water will become blood (Revelation 16:4). At the 4th vial, men will be scorched with fire shot out from the sun (Revelation 16:8). This would be a solar-flare coronal mass ejection of solar plasma, which could make its way down to the surface of the earth due to the earth's magnetic field being disrupted during a magnetic-pole reversal which could occur near the end of the future tribulation.

At the 5th vial, the whole world will be plunged into literal darkness (Revelation 16:10). At the 6th vial, unclean spirits like frogs will come out of the mouths of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan: Revelation 12:9), and the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast), and the False Prophet (Revelation 16:13). And these unclean spirits like frogs will go forth and perform amazing miracles to convince the world's armies to gather together in an attempt to defeat YHWH God (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19). The Euphrates will dry up so that the armies of "the kings of the east" (Revelation 16:12) (i.e. the vast armies of China, India, Pakistan, Japan, Iran, Indonesia) can easily cross the riverbed and gather at the "place" called Armageddon (Revelation 16:16) (Har Megiddo: Mount Megiddo in northern Israel). Once they have gathered there, as only a staging area, with all the other armies of the world (Revelation 16:14,16), they won't wage battle there (that is why the Bible doesn't refer to a "battle" of Armageddon). Instead, they will travel south to pillage Jerusalem, right before Jesus returns and defeats them (Zechariah 14:2-21, Revelation 19:19-21).

At the 7th vial, right before Jesus returns (Revelation 16:17,19, Revelation 19:2-21), there will be a huge earthquake which will affect the whole world (Revelation 16:18-20), and 100-pound hailstones will pummel the earth (Revelation 16:21). The 7th vial will also be when Revelation's symbolic (and worldwide) "Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18) will be destroyed (Revelation 16:19).
 
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Netanyahu is to Obama what Winston Churchill was to Neville Chamberlain – as Churchill was one of the fiercest critics of Chamberlain's appeasement of Nazi Germany.

It is curious that the war-makers would condemn Chamberlain for handing an ethnically-German part of Czechoslovakia over to Hitler, when the war-makers themselves would later turn around and hand over not only all of Czechoslovakia, but all of the rest of eastern Europe, to Stalin. So who bowed to a despot more than the war-makers themselves, and even after they had caused the completely-unnecessary deaths of over 40 million people in a war?

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The difference is that Obama's appeasement of Iran is an even more dangerous threat to the Western world than the Nazis were – since while the hateful ideologies of Islamism and Nazism are similar, this time, nuclear weapons are involved.

Note that the only actually-existing nuclear weapons involved in the Middle East now are in Israel, not in Iran. And that a future effort to take out Iran before it gets any of its own nukes, could result in a war even worse then World War II, not only in the number of deaths, but in how it will bring a new, even worse monster than Stalin (much less Iran) onto the world stage.

That is, the Antichrist may not appear on the world stage until after the horrible, future, tribulation-starting war of Revelation 6:4-8 and Daniel 11:15-17 has resulted in the total defeat and occupation of Israel, and Egypt, and the death of 1/4 of the world. It could be this war which will help open the way for the Antichrist to arise on the world stage as a great man of peace and antitypically fulfill the "vile" person of Daniel 11:21-45.

And one way this war could happen is the U.S. could undertake a massive buildup of the Iraqi Army, initially to prevent the Islamic State militant group (also known as ISIS, or ISIL) from taking over Iraq, and Syria, and all the rest of the Middle East, and eventually so that the Iraqi Army can serve as a proxy army, for the U.S. and Israel, for an all-out ground invasion of Iran, in order to end Iran's nuclear weapons program and extremist regime. As part of the buildup of the Iraqi Army, the U.S. could reinstall much of the former Iraqi Baathist military hierarchy (i.e. that which existed under Baathist Saddam Hussein), to run the present Iraqi Army more efficiently and ruthlessly.

And if the current, Shiite-dominated government of Iraq balks at any return of a Baathist-dominated military (which cruelly suppressed the Iraqi Shiites under Saddam Hussein's rule), or balks at any invasion of fellow-Shiite Iran, this could lead the CIA, MI6, and the Mossad to bring about a Baathist coup d'etat in Iraq. For they could see a well-run, Baathist Iraqi Army and government as the only way to keep ISIS/ISIL under control, and the only way to eventually invade and defeat Iran, which invasion the Iraqi Baathists could agree to perform, for they see meddling, non-Arab Iran as a great enemy of Arab autonomy.

To help get the Iraqi masses and the world behind the idea of an all-out Iraqi invasion of Iran, "false flag" operations could be managed by the CIA, MI6, and the Mossad by which it will be made to seem that (non-Arab, Persian) Iran is attacking the Iraqi Sunni Arabs and their little children terroristically with "dirty bombs" made from Iranian-enriched uranium, so that the Iraqi Arab masses will become enraged and begin to call for all-out retaliation against (what they could call) "the vile Persians". And the world could see an Iraqi invasion of Iran as being completely justified by self-defense.

But then, right when Iraq is all ready to invade Iran, the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel (who by that time could be led by a great miracle-working false Messiah: cf. Matthew 24:24) could completely destroy the Muslim Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque (the 3rd-holiest sites in Islam) on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, to clear the site for the building of a 3rd Jewish temple (Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36; 2 Thessalonians 2:4). This could so enrage Muslims worldwide, including the (Muslim) Iraqi Army, that the Iraqi Baathist Generals could see it as a perfect excuse to abandon the plan to invade huge Iran, and instead (pretending that they are doing so in the name of Islam) turn and send their vast army against the little territory of Israel, completely defeating and occupying it (Daniel 11:15-17; in verse 17, the original Hebrew word translated as "daughter" is "bath").

But this wouldn't be the ultimate reason for the Baathist attack, which could continue on south to also defeat and occupy Egypt (Daniel 11:15). For Egypt is ruled by the U.S.-supported Egyptian Army, which the Baathists could see as being a puppet of the U.S., just as they could see Israel as being a colony of the U.S. Baathism's ultimate aim is to unite all Arab lands from Oman to Morocco into one massive, powerful United Arab States free of all foreign hegemony.

The all-out Iraqi attack on Israel could be joined by the entire (Baathist) Syrian Army (with all of its missiles, many still secretly tipped with nerve agents), as well as by all of Iran's long-range missiles and all of Hezbollah's and Hamas' missiles and guerrillas. Israel could find itself suddenly attacked from 3 directions at the same time, with tens of thousands of missiles raining down on its cities and military bases, and tens of thousands of Iraqi tanks (meant to defeat and occupy huge Iran) pouring across its borders. As Israel starts to see its little sliver of land completely overrun, and sees that its total defeat and occupation is imminent and assured, in retaliation it could drop nuclear bombs on Baghdad, Damascus (Isaiah 17:1), Tehran, and other major cities of Iraq, Syria, and Iran.

There could be so many nuclear explosions sending so much radioactive dust and ash so high into the atmosphere that it could be blown eastward and fall on hugely-populated South Asia, ruining so many crop fields and immune systems there with radiation that 1/4 of the world's population could end up dying from the war and its aftermath of famines and epidemics. This could fulfill the horrible war which will begin the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, which war will, with its aftermath of famines and epidemics, end up killing 1/4 of the world (Revelation 6:4-8). The "great sword" of this war (Revelation 6:4) could be Israel's nuclear weapons. This war could be blamed not only on the religious fundamentalism of Islam and Judaism, but also on religious fundamentalism in general, and so could lead to a worldwide crusade against all forms of religious fundamentalism, including Christian fundamentalism, i.e. the (correct) idea that the Bible is wholly true (2 Timothy 3:16, Matthew 4:4) and that all other religions are cursed (Galatians 1:8-9, John 14:6, John 3:36, Acts 4:12).

After an Iraqi Baathist General who could lead the defeat and occupation of Israel and Egypt mysteriously disappears from the scene (Daniel 11:19), the Antichrist, who could be an Arab, could arise peacefully out of Lebanon (from the modern city of Tyre: Ezekiel 28:2; cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:4), and he could take up the mantle of Baathism and vow to (in his words) "complete the great work of Arab liberation and unification". The first thing that the Antichrist could do once he is given control (Daniel 11:21) of a Baathist federation of Iraq, Syria, Egypt, and a "United Palestine" (i.e. a defeated and occupied Israel), is to perform a small and localized attack against an army of ultra-Orthodox Jews holed up in the walled Old City of Jerusalem and led by an ultra-Orthodox Jewish false Messiah (Daniel 9:26a, Daniel 11:22).

These ultra-Orthodox Jews could have managed to hold off the first Baathist attack even as it overran the rest of Israel, because the walled Old City of Jerusalem is considered holy to the Muslims, and so it is not to be bombarded or destroyed. The Antichrist could manage in some way to take the Old City without doing it much harm (such as by incapacitating its Jewish defenders with huge clouds of tear gas while tens of thousands of Arab soldiers wearing gas masks take control of the city by climbing over its walls on thousands of tall ladders).

But then, instead of imprisoning or executing all of the ultra-Orthodox Jews and their false Messiah, the Antichrist will do an amazing thing. He will "cut" a peace treaty with them and their false Messiah (Daniel 9:26a, Daniel 11:23), permitting them to keep a 3rd Jewish temple (Revelation 11:1) which they will have built on the Temple Mount in the Old City of Jerusalem, and to keep control of the Old City, for at least 7 more years (Daniel 9:27a), so long as they give up the outer court of the temple (Revelation 11:2a) to the Muslims so that the Muslims can rebuild the Al Aqsa Mosque on the southern end of the Temple Mount and resume worship there. By this peace treaty, the Antichrist could present himself to the world as (in his words): "A reasonable man, a man of peace. I am no Hitler. I do not desire a second Holocaust. I am willing to give the religious Jews in the Old City seven years to show that they are willing to live peacefully with others, that they are different than the Zionist Jews who have just destroyed the world with their nuclear weapons".

And if the Antichrist gets flak from his fellow Baathists for letting the ultra-Orthodox Jews keep the Old City of Jerusalem, he could explain to them privately that (in his words) "It is all a temporary ruse, meant to keep world opinion off guard while we consolidate our position". The Baathists could consolidate their position by becoming so well dug-in, and so well-equipped and -advised militarily by the Russians (in the name of "Arab self-determination"), that a U.S. counter-attack to "restore" (i.e. to take back) Israel and Egypt could fail, and leave the Baathists in control, and in a position to extend their power over all the rest of the Arab nations. For if the Baathists defeat and occupy Israel, they will be hailed by the Arab masses across the Arab world as magnificent heroes, so that the Baathists could have no problem persuading the Arab masses to support them. And the Baathists could justify their defeat of the Egyptian military regime, and then their subsequent defeat of other regimes such as in Jordan, by railing against them as being (what they could call):

"These vile cronies of the Americans. These cronies pretended to be for the Arab people while in fact they were taking American bribes in the billions, completely selling out our Palestinian brothers to the endless cruelties of the Zionist occupation, and keeping you, the great majority of the Arab people, in poverty. These cronies, like the Zionists themselves, were the American bulwarks against our glorious Arab unification and return to world power. Join now with us, the Baathists, that we might bring about the long-awaited Arab Renaissance, the long-awaited Arab Resurrection [the Arab word 'Baath' can mean 'Renaissance' and 'Resurrection'], that we Arabs might all rise up together and unite, from Oman to Morocco, into one great United Arab States, one great Arab Empire, shaking off completely all the shackles of the West, placed upon us so long ago, and return to our former glory as we had during the Middle Ages, when we were free and far superior to the West".

The Baathists could also rail against the kings and sheikhs of the Arab Gulf States for (in their words) "Hoarding the huge oil wealth given by Allah to all the Arabs, and keeping the Arab masses in poverty and subjugation to Western interests". The Baathists are socialist, and so could call for the distribution of the Arab oil wealth to the Arab masses (Daniel 11:24). In this way, and by their defeat and occupation of Israel, the Baathists could easily turn the masses to their side in every Arab nation.

During the first few years of the 7-year peace treaty referred to earlier, the Antichrist could employ Baathism as the means by which he will gradually and peacefully put together a United Arab States, or Arab Union, stretching from Oman to Morocco. Once he has accomplished this, he could then begin to downplay Baathism and start speaking of "World peace and the unity of mankind". He could convince an oil-thirsty European Union to let the oil-rich Arab Union join it, thereby forming a massive Mediterranean Union, which he could manage to peacefully gain control of and use as his base of power to eventually exert his hegemony over the entire earth (Revelation 13:7b).

Then, only some 3.5 years after making the peace treaty, the Antichrist will break it, attack the 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem, stop the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices offered in front of it, and sit (at least one time) in the temple and proclaim himself God (Daniel 11:31,36, Matthew 24:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:4). He will then rule the whole earth by the power of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon: Revelation 12:9) for 3.5 literal years (Revelation 13:4-18, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7, Revelation 12:14), or 1,260 literal days (Revelation 12:6).

The return of Jesus Christ from heaven (Matthew 24:30, Revelation 19:11-21; 1 Thessalonians 4:16) may not occur immediately after the 1,260 days of the Antichrist's worldwide reign, but could occur 75 days later, on the 1,335th day after the Antichrist and his followers set up the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the 3rd Jewish temple (Daniel 12:11-12, Daniel 11:31, Matthew 24:15). The 75 days could be taken up by the vials of God's wrath which will be poured out on the Antichrist's worshippers (Revelation 16).

When Jesus returns, he will completely defeat the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) (Revelation 19:20; 2 Thessalonians 2:8-9), and he will have Satan bound in the bottomless pit (Revelation 20:1-3). Then the returned Jesus and the physically resurrected church (including those in the church who will have been beheaded by the Antichrist) will reign physically on the earth for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 66:3-4, Psalms 72:8-11, Zechariah 14:8-21).
 
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Yes Bible2, we have already read your long-winded conjectures and you opinions about what may happen. That the Baathists are history is a given after Saddam ruined their image.
Do not be deceived, Iran has nukes now and the missiles to deliver them, they just wait for the right moment - that will be when their god provokes them to act. But of course, our God is in control and He will use His Appointed Day to destroy them. Jeremiah 49:35-36, Ezekiel 32:24-25

Your are right, the Day will come when Israel will be attacked from every side, even the West, from missile ships. But as Ezekiel 7:14 says; that will call forth the wrath of the Lord. Over 100 prophesies describe this forthcoming Day, it will be a worldwide terrifying Day of earthquakes, storms, devouring fire and tsunamis. It will fulfil Psalm 83, Micah 4:11-12. It will be the Sixth Seal event and the world be a very different place after it.
 
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keras said in post 54:

That the Baathists are history is a given after Saddam ruined their image.

Note that Baathism isn't history in the minds of most of the Sunni Arabs of Iraq, or in the minds of millions of the people of Syria (which is still Baathist). And the rest of the Arabs could easily be swayed to join the Baathists if they defeat and occupy Israel, and also distribute the Arab Gulf states' oil wealth to the Arab masses. For Baathism's true raison d'etre is to raise up all of the Arab people themselves into a mighty and prosperous Arab Empire, free of all Western (not to mention Shiite Iranian) tyranny.

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Your are right, the Day will come when Israel will be attacked from every side, even the West, from missile ships.

Note that it wasn't said that Israel would be attacked from every side, but from "3 directions", meaning from the East (Iraq, Syria, & Iran), from the North (Hezbollah), and from the South (Hamas & Islamic Jihad). For the attackers won't have any Navies.

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But as Ezekiel 7:14 says; that will call forth the wrath of the Lord.

Note that Ezekiel 7:14 is referring to God's wrath against Israel's army (i.e. it will be defeated), just as the chapter is about the destruction of Israel.
 
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keras said in post 54:

It will fulfil Psalm 83 . . .

Note that if Psalms 83 wasn't referring to a threat against Israel in the time of Asaph (the author of Psalms 83), but to some future event, it may not happen until the Gog/Magog attack on Israel (Ezekiel chapters 38-39), which won't occur until after the future millennium (Revelation 20:7-10), when there will be no defensive walls or fear of attack in Israel whatsoever (Ezekiel 38:11). This is the exact opposite of today's situation, when Israel is filled with very high defensive walls and is in constant fear of attack. At the beginning of the millennium, all present-day weapons of war throughout the world will be destroyed and they won't be allowed to be remade during the millennium (Micah 4:3-4). That is why after the millennium, the Gog/Magog armies will employ only rudimentary, wooden weapons like bows and arrows, spears, shields, and clubs (Ezekiel 39:9), which, after the defeat of the Gog/Magog armies, will be able to be used as convenient firewood by the people living in Israel at that time, instead of them having to go out and collect or cut down firewood from the forest (Ezekiel 39:10).

The Gog in Revelation 20:8 is the same as in Ezekiel chapters 38-39: an individual human whose personal name is "Gog" (Ezekiel 38:3). He will be the chief leader of a future country which will form somewhere north of Israel (Ezekiel 39:2, Ezekiel 38:15), and which will be called "Magog" (Ezekiel 38:2). It will include at least 2 major cities and/or tribes which will be called "Meshech" and "Tubal" (Ezekiel 38:2). This country could come into existence during the millennium. Gog could be born near the end of the millennium, and he will be killed and buried at the end of the Gog/Magog event (Ezekiel 39:11).

Both accounts of the event show that the Gog/Magog armies will ultimately be completely defeated by miraculous fire from heaven (Ezekiel 38:22, Revelation 20:9). While the great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:11-15) will occur subsequent to the Gog/Magog event (Revelation 20:7-15), nothing requires (as is sometimes claimed) that the great white throne judgment has to happen immediately after that event. For there will be at least 7 years (Ezekiel 39:9b) between the end of that event and the great white throne judgment.

Also, the Gog/Magog attack won't have to (as is sometimes claimed) involve only the nations listed in Ezekiel chapters 38-39. Those nations could be just a sampling. For the "nations" (ethnos), or peoples, who will be involved in the Gog/Magog attack will come from all over the earth (Revelation 20:8). They will still be physically part of Jesus' worldwide kingdom, still legally under his rule, just as they had been during the preceding millennium (Psalms 72:8-11, Psalms 66:3, Psalms 2). But after the millennium, they will be deceived by Satan into committing the attack (Revelation 20:7-10).

Also, while the Gog/Magog attack on Israel won't occur until after the future millennium (Revelation 20:7-10, Ezekiel chapters 38-39), Israel could suffer a different attack before the millennium, at the start of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, which attack could result in Israel's total defeat and occupation (Daniel 11:15-17).

And Jerusalem could be attacked and totally defeated in the future at least 3 times before the millennium: once near the start of the future tribulation (Daniel 11:22), then again mid-tribulation (Daniel 11:31), and then at the tribulation's end (Daniel 11:45), right before Jesus' 2nd coming and the start of the millennium (Zechariah 14:2-21).
 
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keras said in post 54:

It will fulfil Psalm 83, Micah 4:11-12.

Regarding Micah 4:11-12, if the preceding context, Micah 4:9-10, wasn't a prophecy of the Babylonian Captivity of the Jews in the 6th century BC, then Micah 4:9-13 could refer to what will happen right before, at, and after the 2nd coming (Zechariah 14).

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It will be the Sixth Seal event and the world be a very different place after it.

The 6th seal (Revelation 6:12-14) could be fulfilled in our future by a huge volcanic eruption (possibly of the Yellowstone Caldera) which will occur during only the first stage of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. This eruption could begin with a large earthquake (Revelation 6:12), signaling the sudden rising of magma within the volcano. When it erupts, it could shoot so much ash and smoke into the sky that the sun will appear darkened and the moon blood-red (Revelation 6:12b), like happens during large forest fires. The volcano could also shoot blobs of red-hot magma into the sky, which as they fall back down could appear like falling stars (Revelation 6:13). And it could shoot so much super-heated ash and smoke so high and so quickly into the sky that they could form a gigantic mushroom cloud which will make the sky (the 1st heaven) look like a scroll being rolled up (Revelation 6:14). Earthquakes connected with the eruption could be so large that they set off a chain reaction of other earthquakes in nearby faults and volcanoes, which could set off even more earthquakes further away, and so on, so that earthquakes will end up affecting every mountain and island, moving each of their positions at least a little bit (Revelation 6:14b).
 
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Note that the Bible prophecy regarding the 7 last plagues of the 7 vials of God's wrath (Revelation chapters 15-16) isn't unfolding now, for it will be the last stage of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, after the unfolding of the never-fulfilled Revelation chapters 6 to 15. At the 1st vial, an awful sore will appear on only those people who will have received the Antichrist's mark and worshipped his image (Revelation 16:2). At the 2nd vial, the sea will become like the blood of a dead man, and every living creature in the sea will die (Revelation 16:3). At the 3rd vial, all natural, surface sources of fresh water will become blood (Revelation 16:4). At the 4th vial, men will be scorched with fire shot out from the sun (Revelation 16:8). This would be a solar-flare coronal mass ejection of solar plasma, which could make its way down to the surface of the earth due to the earth's magnetic field being disrupted during a magnetic-pole reversal which could occur near the end of the future tribulation.

At the 5th vial, the whole world will be plunged into literal darkness (Revelation 16:10). At the 6th vial, unclean spirits like frogs will come out of the mouths of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan: Revelation 12:9), and the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast), and the False Prophet (Revelation 16:13). And these unclean spirits like frogs will go forth and perform amazing miracles to convince the world's armies to gather together in an attempt to defeat YHWH God (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19). The Euphrates will dry up so that the armies of "the kings of the east" (Revelation 16:12) (i.e. the vast armies of China, India, Pakistan, Japan, Iran, Indonesia) can easily cross the riverbed and gather at the "place" called Armageddon (Revelation 16:16) (Har Megiddo: Mount Megiddo in northern Israel). Once they have gathered there, as only a staging area, with all the other armies of the world (Revelation 16:14,16), they won't wage battle there (that is why the Bible doesn't refer to a "battle" of Armageddon). Instead, they will travel south to pillage Jerusalem, right before Jesus returns and defeats them (Zechariah 14:2-21, Revelation 19:19-21).

At the 7th vial, right before Jesus returns (Revelation 16:17,19, Revelation 19:2-21), there will be a huge earthquake which will affect the whole world (Revelation 16:18-20), and 100-pound hailstones will pummel the earth (Revelation 16:21). The 7th vial will also be when Revelation's symbolic (and worldwide) "Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18) will be destroyed (Revelation 16:19).
You futurists are such a hoot. The Revelation began unfolding "with speed" as John said it would. The first seal was opened in 312 AD when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds, and Jesus came into power through St. Constantine who rode a white horse and conquered with a bow. Ever since that day, known as the turning point of history, Christian nations have been the dominant force on earth. Jesus now rules the earth through the US, founded by George Washington who rode a pale horse.

The seven last plagues are said to be poured out after the great tribulation which was WW II. Skin cancer was the first plague to be poured out, and it plagued a lot of NAZIs. It continues to plague Aryans, the image worshiped by Hitler the antichrist and his followers.

The 2nd plague, red tides the color of a dead man's blood, is here and killing a lot of fish. Scientists say that at the rate fish are dying, all the fish in the sea will be dead by 2048.

The 3rd plague, toxic fresh water, is also here. Our fresh water is plagued by brain-eating amoebas, toxic green algae, and all sorts of pollution.

The 4th plague, global warming is definitely here. It feels like the sun is hotter, but it is caused by man-made greenhouse gases, a concept first century readers would not have understood.

The 5th plague, an increase in atheism and new diseases (such as AIDS), is also here.

The 6th plague has also been poured out. The lower 50 miles of the Euphrates was dry for nine years, dried up by Saddam Hussein to prepare the way for the kings of the east. He did it with a couple dams and a diversion canal that he called "The Mother of All Battles River."

The 7th plague is also here. The US and its allies are now dropping 100 pound "hailstones" on the 7th head of the beast in the Battle of Ar Mageddon which began on 9/11 when the Euphrates was dry.
 
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interpreter said in post 58:

You futurists are such a hoot.

Note that Revelation chapters 6 to 22 are future, because they are about "things which must be hereafter" (Revelation 4:1b). And just as Jesus' 2nd coming in Revelation 19:7 to 20:3 has never been fulfilled, for nowhere in history books do we find its fulfillment, so the highly-detailed events of the preceding tribulation in Revelation chapters 6 to 18 have never been fulfilled, for nowhere in history books do we find their fulfillment.

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The Revelation began unfolding "with speed" as John said it would.

Note that in Revelation 1:1,3, as in Revelation 22:6,10, "shortly" and "at hand" can be understood in the same manner as "Surely I come quickly" in Revelation 22:20, which refers to Jesus' still-unfulfilled 2nd coming. I.e., shortly/at hand/quickly in these verses can be understood from the viewpoint of God, not men (2 Peter 3:8-9).

Also, from the viewpoint of men, part of what Revelation chapters 2-3 foretold could have begun unfolding "shortly" (Revelation 1:1,3) after John saw his Revelation vision. For the letters to the 7 literal, 1st century AD local church congregations (Revelation chapters 2-3) in 7 cities in the Roman province of "Asia" (Revelation 1:11b) could have foretold a 1st century persecution (Revelation 2:10, Revelation 3:10) under the Roman Emperor Domitian which happened shortly after John saw his vision around 95 AD, near the end of Domitian's reign (Irenaeus, Against Heresies 5:30:3c). But even all the (to us) still-future events of the tribulation and subsequent 2nd coming of Revelation chapters 6 to 19 will unfold "shortly" (Revelation 1:1,3) or "quickly" (Revelation 22:20) after John saw his vision. For from the viewpoint of God, even the passing of some 2,000 years is like the passing of only 2 days (2 Peter 3:8). Christians should look at the future fulfillment of Revelation chapters 6 to 19 (and Matthew 24) from the viewpoint of God, not men, for whom the passing of some 2,000 years seems like a long delay for its fulfillment (2 Peter 3:9).

Other books in the Bible contain prophecies of events which wouldn't occur for 3,000 to 4,000 years. For example, Ezekiel prophesied of the Gog/Magog event (Ezekiel chapters 38-39, Revelation 20:8-9) some 3,600 years before its (still future) occurrence. For Ezekiel gave that prophecy some 600 years before Jesus' first coming, but it won't be fulfilled until some 1,000 years after Jesus' (still future) 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:10). Also, God prophesied Jesus' spiritual defeat of Satan at the Crucifixion (Genesis 3:15, Hebrews 2:14) some 4,000 years before its occurrence. And Isaiah prophesied God creating a new heaven and earth (Isaiah 66:22, Revelation 21:1-8) some 3,700 years before its (still future) occurrence. For Isaiah gave that prophecy some 700 years before Jesus' first coming, but it won't be fulfilled until some 1,000 years after his 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 21:8).

interpreter said in post 58:

The first seal was opened in 312 AD . . .

Regarding the 1st seal's horseman, on the white horse (Revelation 6:1-2), that could represent the gospel of Jesus (not Jesus physically: Acts 3:21) going forth to all nations and victoriously saving souls. For Jesus is the rider on the white horse seen later in Revelation 19:11,13 (cf. John 1:1,14), and his gospel will be preached to all nations during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Matthew 24:14, Revelation 14:6). The bow (Revelation 6:2) is a weapon that is able to affect things far away, just as the gospel is able to affect things far away from where it began (Luke 24:47).

interpreter said in post 58:

The first seal was opened in 312 AD when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds . . .

The "sign of the Son of man" (Matthew 24:30a), if it isn't the sign of the Cross, can be the appearance of Jesus himself (Luke 11:29-30) in the sky at his 2nd coming, when "they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory" (Matthew 24:30b). Before he lands on the earth (Zechariah 14:4, Acts 1:11-12), he could circle the globe in the sky so that everyone will be able to see his 2nd coming with their own eyes, as Revelation 1:7 and Matthew 24:27,30b require. Or most people could see his 2nd coming via a live, breaking-news video feed to their smartphone, computer, or television. This is also the whole point of Matthew 24:23-31: If Jesus' 2nd coming isn't obvious to everyone at the same time, then it is not really Jesus. Another test is that the church's physical resurrection, and then its gathering together (rapture) to hold a meeting in the sky with the returned Jesus, have to occur at the 2nd coming of the real Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17; 2 Thessalonians 2:1, Matthew 24:30-31; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-53, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).

interpreter said in post 58:

. . . and Jesus came into power through St. Constantine . . .

Note that Jesus came into all power (as a human) after his resurrection (Matthew 28:18), which was centuries before Constantine.

interpreter said in post 58:

The seven last plagues are said to be poured out after the great tribulation which was WW II.

Note that the highly detailed tribulation events of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 didn't happen during World War II. And Jesus didn't return immediately after World War II, but he will return immediately after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6). Also, the never-fulfilled 3.5 years in Revelation, which are shown in detail from 4 different angles in Revelation chapters 11 to 14 (Revelation 11:2b-3, Revelation 12:6,14, Revelation 13:5,7, Revelation 14:9-13) will be during only the 2nd half of the tribulation.

Also, World War II lasted longer than 3.5 years (1939-1945). It is sometimes claimed that it didn't become a world war until December 7, 1941, when the U.S. entered the war. But World War II was a world war even prior to December 7, 1941, because, for example, the U.S. had already been materially supporting Britain in its war effort. Also, it is sometimes claimed that from the attack on Pearl Harbor until the end of the war was 3.5 years. But from the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941 until the end of the war on September 22, 1945 was longer than 3.5 years. And even if someone were to mistakenly claim that World War II ended with the formal surrender of Germany on May 8, 1945, then from the attack on Pearl Harbor until the formal surrender of Germany was less than 3.5 years.

interpreter said in post 58:

Skin cancer was the first plague to be poured out . . .

In Revelation 16:2, the original Greek word (helkos: G1668) translated as "a sore" means "an ulcer" (Strong's Greek Dictionary). So the sore could be a festering skin ulcer. It could appear right at the place on the skin where people had received the Antichrist's mark on either their right hand or forehead (Revelation 13:16, Revelation 16:2).

interpreter said in post 58:

The 3rd plague, toxic fresh water, is also here.

Note that all surface sources of fresh water haven't become blood (Revelation 16:4-6). So the 3rd vial hasn't happened yet.

interpreter said in post 58:

The 5th plague, an increase in atheism and new diseases (such as AIDS), is also here.

Actually, the darkness of Revelation 16:10 will be literal darkness, like the plague of Exodus 10:21 was literal darkness. Also, there will be no atheism allowed anywhere when the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect the beast) takes over the whole world (Revelation 13:7b) in our future and declares himself to be God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36), and the whole unsaved world worships him and Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) (Revelation 13:4,8, Revelation 12:9). Also, Revelation 16:10 says that the Antichrist's "kingdom" will be darkened, and his kingdom will include the whole world (Revelation 13:7b). The whole world hasn't been darkened, so the 5th vial hasn't happened yet.

interpreter said in post 58:

The 7th plague is also here. The US and its allies are now dropping 100 pound "hailstones" on the 7th head of the beast . . .

Actually, Revelation 16:21 refers to 100-pound hailstones which will be literal hailstones, just as the plagues of hailstones from God in Exodus 9:25 and Joshua 10:11 were literal hailstones. Also, the 100-pound hailstones in Revelation 16:21 will plague mankind in general, and only after the never-fulfilled first 6 vials of Revelation 16 have all been fulfilled in our future. Also at the 7th vial, right before Jesus returns (Revelation 16:17,19, Revelation 19:2-21), there will be a huge earthquake which will affect the whole world (Revelation 16:18-20). And Revelation's symbolic (and worldwide) "Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18) will be destroyed only when the cities of the nations are destroyed at the time of the 7th vial (Revelation 16:19). None of these things has happened yet. So the 7th vial hasn't happened yet.
 
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