Bible-Creation-Evolution (2)

[Anon287]

So, when it comes down to it, your reason macroevolution can't be true is because you really really don't want to believe in it.

It is unbelievable to me that there is so much evidence for evolution and people still just do not want to believe it. It is no longer a matter of belief but a matter of scientific fact with evidence.

I wonder whether AV tells science to 'take a hike' when he takes full advantage of the advanced society that science has developed: Clean water, medicine...

 

[Hespera]

It is unbelievable to me that there is so much evidence for evolution and people still just do not want to believe it. It is no longer a matter of belief but a matter of scientific fact with evidence.

I wonder whether AV tells science to 'take a hike' when he takes full advantage of the advanced society that science has developed: Clean water, medicine...

It is something about human psychology.

"Battered wife syndrome' is similar in that no matter what, the person just cannot accept the facts. not even if literally beat over the head.

Sometimes there is an epiphany, some times there isnt.

 

[Anon287]

It is something about human psychology.

"Battered wife syndrome' is similar in that no matter what, the person just cannot accept the facts. not even if literally beat over the head.

Sometimes there is an epiphany, some times there isnt.

I agree. It just seems a shame to me as I sit in lectures where professors and doctors teach me the evidence and show me how all of our understanding of science makes sense in the light of evolution to think that people just don't want to accept it.

 

[Hespera]

I agree. It just seems a shame to me as I sit in lectures where professors and doctors teach me the evidence and show me how all of our understanding of science makes sense in the light of evolution to think that people just don't want to accept it.

What really bothers me is that this kind of close minded anti intellectualism is a serious, dangerous cultural weakness for the USA.

Maybe its easier for me to see as a chinese american immigrant.

i know there are a lot of people over there, who dont suffer from this weakness and who will be utterly unsentimental about running over anyone who is weak. We are way outnumbered here.

Fantasies about being raptured or otherwise bailed out are not going to do a bit of good.

 

[TheReasoner]

What really bothers me is that this kind of close minded anti intellectualism is a serious, dangerous cultural weakness for the USA.

Maybe its easier for me to see as a chinese american immigrant.

i know there are a lot of people over there, who dont suffer from this weakness and who will be utterly unsentimental about running over anyone who is weak. We are way outnumbered here.

Fantasies about being raptured or otherwise bailed out are not going to do a bit of good.

True that. Anti-intellectualism is quite possibly one of the major problems facing the US if it wants to survive the coming decade. I do not think it will.
http://ekawaaz.org/2009/11/04/watch-johan-galtungthe-american-empire-collapse-2020/
Galtung holds 7 (or is it 9?) phds. He's very acknowledged and accurately predicted USSR's fall. So I think he could have something here. Besides, the signs are all there. Increased nationalism, troubled economy, increased reliance on cheap and foreign labor. Increased portion of the [most competent] population to non-creating careers such as lawyers, stock brokers and service personnel. Increasing frequency of armed engagements. Decreasing support from abroad. Though Obama has remedied some of this, it's nowhere near enough. I would not at all be surprised to see a split nation. Texas and some other states might seceed from the union, and perhaps that is best. The US has a political scene which is far too polarized. While increased diversity might be good I do not see how the conservative mindset of the south can stomach an increase of political diversity. Not given how problematic they consider the democratic party - whose policies are very similar to the republican one. Especially if you consider the differences between parties elsewhere in the world.

Like Galtung I think such a split MIGHT benefit all parts. IFF it is done well.

 

[Anon287]

What really bothers me is that this kind of close minded anti intellectualism is a serious, dangerous cultural weakness for the USA.

Maybe its easier for me to see as a chinese american immigrant.

i know there are a lot of people over there, who dont suffer from this weakness and who will be utterly unsentimental about running over anyone who is weak. We are way outnumbered here.

Fantasies about being raptured or otherwise bailed out are not going to do a bit of good.

It is exactly that - dangerous. This kind of closed-mindedness is being taught to children in the USA still, who are denied a proper scientific education when the advancement of societies is based on science. I believe that now we need science more than ever and the fact that children are not taught science to its full extent is a cultural weakness and it makes me angrier and more sad than anything else.

 

[AV1611VET]

True that. Anti-intellectualism is quite possibly one of the major problems facing the US if it wants to survive the coming decade.

For the record, I don't think the United States is going to be around during the Tribulation period.

Maybe, but I doubt it.

Second of all, intellectualism is not the solution to longevity; as Israel can attest.

It is said that, during the Babylonian captivity, that the Jews were teaching Babylonian customs and culture -- to the Babylonians!

Daniel and his three friends were indicative of the intellectual prosperity the Jews lived by when they were taken captive.

 

[dad]

What would be some of these hundreds of unbased claims upon which I keep myself misinformed.

Claims that the past was a certain way, or space. The claims of so called science are all based on projecting our realities onto the universe or future or past.

 

[dad]

What claims would that be?
ANd how thoroughly did you go through these hundreds of thousands of claims, and with what academic background?

I sincerely doubt you've had the time to go through so many claims to a greater extent than noting it is a claim.

Your hunches are noted. Science has many claims, you know. It has a real basis it proceeds from. Whether we look at slow continental spread, and chuckle at how they imagine it was always so, or slow evolution of today, and see them imagine the evolution of the past was the same. From deep space to the center of the earth, that is all they do. I notice Japan was moved over 8 feet I think it was last week. What would that take at slow rates..?

The religious proclamations insulting God and His record that have been falsely called science are empty shells.

 

[TheReasoner]

For the record, I don't think the United States is going to be around during the Tribulation period.

Maybe, but I doubt it.

Second of all, intellectualism is not the solution to longevity; as Israel can attest.

It is said that, during the Babylonian captivity, that the Jews were teaching Babylonian customs and culture -- to the Babylonians!

Daniel and his three friends were indicative of the intellectual prosperity the Jews lived by when they were taken captive.

It isn't the sole factor, no. But anti-intellectualism is dangerous and I believe it is a [heavily] contributing factor.


[edit] this is the SECOND time CF has added a censoring of a nonexistent word. Just inserting "[bless and do not curse]" randomly into my post. Buggy bug bug!

 

[dad]

For the record, I don't think the United States is going to be around during the Tribulation period.

Why?

Maybe, but I doubt it.

Second of all, intellectualism is not the solution to longevity; as Israel can attest.

It is said that, during the Babylonian captivity, that the Jews were teaching Babylonian customs and culture -- to the Babylonians!

Daniel and his three friends were indicative of the intellectual prosperity the Jews lived by when they were taken captive.

Yes, anyone that thinks the Jews are dumb has a lot to learn..

 

[Anon287]

Second of all, intellectualism is not the solution to longevity; as Israel can attest.

In this day and age where resources are running out, where there is an increasing population around the globe, etc... do you not think that intellectualism, or science, will define how well we survive?

Intellectualism and scientific advancement are the reasons that we live in such advanced societies...

 

[TheReasoner]

In this day and age where resources are running out, where there is an increasing population around the globe, etc... do you not think that intellectualism, or science, will define how well we survive?

Intellectualism and scientific advancement are the reasons that we live in such advanced societies...

And it's a single point of failure. Should it collapse society will as well.

We are facing several huge problems. We're past peak water, we're WAY past peak phosphorous, and peak oil is past us as well. To mention three critical resources, two of which are non-renewable.

Phosphorous is one thing few people think about. "So what? No more matches? Oh noes!" I fear many people think. Alas, it's actually very bad. Phosphorous is a critical component in both synthetic fertilizer and semiconductor production. So in other words: If we cannot find a way to recycle and extract phosphorous from other sources than the mines... Well, we'll starve, and we'll starve while electronics get pricey and harder and harder to get.
Societal troubles and collapse becomes imminent.

 

[AV1611VET]

It isn't the sole factor, no.

'Anti-intellectualism' is too broad a term for I to understand what you are specifically talking about.

All I see is a newbie here, ranting about what makes her mad, posting under the flag of a country that has one of the largest Muslim mosques in Europe.

I wouldn't worry about this country, as much as I would worry about your own.

And she's ranting to another girl, who is agreeing with her, who doesn't even capitalize the letter 'I'.

Don't harp on 'anti-intellectualism' and make routine grammar errors -- it subtracts from your point.

And for the record, that pertains to me as well; but then you don't see me harping on the subject, either.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why?

Because I believe that God founded this nation for two main reasons:

1. To give the Jews a safe place to stay while they were displaced from their homeland. (Our Bill of Rights, for example, insures no pogrom will legally occur on U.S. soil.)
2. To assist the Jews after they return to their homeland, as prophesied in the Scriptures.

The book of Revelation is all about the Jews, not the Christians -- that's why the Church is never mentioned once from chapters 6-19; so after the Rapture, the Jews are basically at the mercy of the Antichrist.

 

[TheReasoner]

Don't harp on 'anti-intellectualism' and make routine grammar errors -- it subtracts from your point.

Hm. I'm not American you know, English is not my first language. I make mistakes, but surely that's hardly unexpected? I'm close to fluent in English, Spanish, Swedish and Danish while I am fluent in Norwegian and quite passable in New-Norwegian, even academically.

But surely a few mistakes are tolerable?

 

[Anon287]

And it's a single point of failure. Should it collapse society will as well.

We are facing several huge problems. We're past peak water, we're WAY past peak phosphorous, and peak oil is past us as well. To mention three critical resources, two of which are non-renewable.

Phosphorous is one thing few people think about. "So what? No more matches? Oh noes!" I fear many people think. Alas, it's actually very bad. Phosphorous is a critical component in both synthetic fertilizer and semiconductor production. So in other words: If we cannot find a way to recycle and extract phosphorous from other sources than the mines... Well, we'll starve, and we'll starve while electronics get pricey and harder and harder to get.
Societal troubles and collapse becomes imminent.

You seem to know a lot about it! I am definitely going to look some more information up as the points you have made are very interesting. Thanks.

 

[Hespera]

And it's a single point of failure. Should it collapse society will as well.

We are facing several huge problems. We're past peak water, we're WAY past peak phosphorous, and peak oil is past us as well. To mention three critical resources, two of which are non-renewable.

Phosphorous is one thing few people think about. "So what? No more matches? Oh noes!" I fear many people think. Alas, it's actually very bad. Phosphorous is a critical component in both synthetic fertilizer and semiconductor production. So in other words: If we cannot find a way to recycle and extract phosphorous from other sources than the mines... Well, we'll starve, and we'll starve while electronics get pricey and harder and harder to get.
Societal troubles and collapse becomes imminent.

the book "limits to growth' was a clouded crystal ball

as was 'the population bomb"

 

[AV1611VET]

Hm. I'm not American you know, English is not my first language. I make mistakes, but surely that's hardly unexpected? I'm close to fluent in English, Spanish, Swedish and Danish while I am fluent in Norwegian and quite passable in New-Norwegian, even academically.

But surely a few mistakes are tolerable?

I didn't have you in mind, when I said that.

 

[Anon287]

'Anti-intellectualism' is too broad a term for I to understand what you are specifically talking about.

All I see is a newbie here, ranting about what makes her mad, posting under the flag of a country that has one of the largest Muslim mosques in Europe.

I wouldn't worry about this country, as much as I would worry about your own.

And she's ranting to another girl, who is agreeing with her, who doesn't even capitalize the letter 'I'.

Don't harp on 'anti-intellectualism' and make routine grammar errors -- it subtracts from your point.

And for the record, that pertains to me as well; but then you don't see me harping on the subject, either.

Just because I am new here does not mean that my opinions are worth less than yours. I have been and intend to be very respectful on this forum but you do not seem to be showing the same courtesy.

Yes, there is a significant Muslim population in the UK but just because you think that this is a problem does not mean that I am not allowed to comment on what I feel are problems in other countries.

I wasn't 'harping on.' I was having a conversation with someone who seems to know a lot about the subject and I came on this forum to learn.