Bible-Creation-Evolution (2)

[Mr Dave]

Because the rest of the Christians are at a Christian college?

How common are Christian Universities outside the USA, not seminaries but general Universities? I thought they were a much more American thing, I could well be wrong though.

 

[AV1611VET]

How common are Christian Universities outside the USA, not seminaries but general Universities? I thought they were a much more American thing, I could well be wrong though.

I'm not going to get into specifics, but let's just say this:

Outside of U.S. borders, you'd better be careful where you hang your signs.

 

[Mr Dave]

I'm not going to get into specifics, but let's just say this:

Outside of U.S. borders, you'd better be careful where you hang your signs.

That wasn't what I was suggesting, nor do I accept it as true, but that the reason that there is a lack of Christians at the Uni of HK (think that was the one mentioned) is not because all the Christians have gone to the local Christian Uni.

 

[1611AV]

The emboldened portion intrigues me. Not that you wouldn't wish goodness, but by saying 'for their sakes' you imply that you feel that there is something tragic awaiting those who accept evolution as true (such as myself). Do you care to expand.


Also,. you mentioned 'God's Word' - http://www.christianforums.com/t7542608/

Yes, and I said this before. It is not the belief in evolution but the unbelief in Gods word that I fear for anybody.

I do not believe that Christians that accepts evolution are dammed. Why? because God did not make that a standard for Salvation.

But when a person picks and chooses what part of the Bible is literal and what part is fairy tale. Then how can that one be sure that the part that deals with Salvation is literal and not fairy tale? Therefor his claim to be Saved is by his own stamp of approval on that certain set of scripture he chooses to believe. And his assurance of Salvation rests on his own set of beliefs.

That is called self righteousness. (Works)

 

[Hespera]

Yes, I don't like the cheap shot comments so lets keep it serious. First of I was responding to another poster who was trying to imply the Bible saying we were all beasts (just the same, no different) I showed him scripturally, we are different.

Now to your question. Who is educating them, man or God? It seems the "educated Christians" and the non believers share the same belief, (((evolution))). Do you not find that alarming?

You are going to have a climb to get the moral high ground on "cheap shot comments" after this one:

Evolution is a religion designed to provide pagans justification for their animalistic life.

But if you now wish to refrain from such garbage, good.

You did not answer my question, you asked me one.
Please answer my question.

i will rephrase a little for your convenience.

Why is it that well educated christians who understand the ToE, have no trouble accepting it as valid, and you cant?

is it a belief in your inerrancy?

to answer your q-

"God' is not involved in the education process. if we relied on a god, nobody could read or write or even know how to wash his face.

As for Christians, atheists, hindus and bhddhists sharing the same 'belief', lets make that "understanding".

We can sahre an understanding of calculus, of aerodynamics, of chemistry. no prob. Same with evolution.

What i find alarming is the cult of ignorance in the USA, that rejects education, science, logic, data, you name it if they think it conflicts with their book.

That is a dangerous cultural weakness in the USA i dont know how I could emphasize too strongly, as a Chinese American, that there are a LOT of very serious minded people not too far away from our shores here, who wont be a bit sentimental about gobbling up any weak culture that stands in their way.

That is what is alarming. i hope to goodness you will wake up to it.

Now please answer my question.

 

[AV1611VET]

That wasn't what I was suggesting, nor do I accept it as true, but that the reason that there is a lack of Christians at the Uni of HK (think that was the one mentioned) is not because all the Christians have gone to the local Christian Uni.

You did notice the interrogation point at the end of the sentence, I hope?

Here it is again:

Because the rest of the Christians are at a Christian college?

Like:

• The United Christian College @ 2 Lee on Lane
• Cnec Christian College @ 6 Lei Pui Street
• The YMCA of Hong Kong Christian College @ 2 Chung Yat Street

 

[Mr Dave]

Yes, and I said this before. It is not the belief in evolution but the unbelief in Gods word that I fear for anybody.

I do not believe that Christians that accepts evolution are dammed. Why? because God did not make that a standard for Salvation.

But when a person picks and chooses what part of the Bible is literal and what part is fairy tale. Then how can that one be sure that the part that deals with Salvation is literal and not fairy tale? Therefor his claim to be Saved is by his own stamp of approval on that certain set of scripture he chooses to believe. And his assurance of Salvation rests on his own set of beliefs.

That is called self righteousness. (Works)

Ok thanks

Good job for me choice plays no part

http://www.christianforums.com/t7536879-79/#post56908703

 

[Mr Dave]

You did notice the interrogation point at the end of the sentence, I hope?

Here it is again:

My bad

 

[AV1611VET]

My bad

I wasn't trying to be cute -- I honestly don't know.

 

[1611AV]

Ok thanks

Good job for me choice plays no part

http://www.christianforums.com/t7536879-79/#post56908703

Answer each of these questions with a yes or no

1. Do you believe that Jonah was in the belly of the Whale (literally) 3 days and 3 nights?

2. Do you believe Jesus was in the heart of the earth (literally) 3 days and 3 night?

3. Do you believe God created the heaven and the earth and all the host of them (literally) in 6 days?

4. Do you believe that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: (literally)?
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Thanks.

 

[1611AV]

Why is it that well educated christians who understand the ToE, have no trouble accepting it as valid, and you cant?

Now please answer my question.

I used to believe in evolution before I started reading the Bible and believing the Bible.

Now answer each of these questions with a yes or no please:

1. Do you believe that Jonah was in the belly of the Whale (literally) 3 days and 3 nights?

2. Do you believe Jesus was in the heart of the earth (literally) 3 days and 3 night?

3. Do you believe God created the heaven and the earth and all the host of them (literally) in 6 days?

4. Do you believe that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: (literally)?

 

[mzungu]

I used to believe in evolution before I started reading the Bible and believing the Bible.

Now answer each of these questions with a yes or no please:

1. Do you believe that Jonah was in the belly of the Whale (literally) 3 days and 3 nights?

2. Do you believe Jesus was in the heart of the earth (literally) 3 days and 3 night?

3. Do you believe God created the heaven and the earth and all the host of them (literally) in 6 days?

4. Do you believe that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: (literally)?

Absolutely a resounding "NO" to all your questions!

 

[1611AV]

Absolutely a resounding "NO" to all your questions!

It will be interesting to see which "Christians" agree with you in part. Some do amazingly!

 

[Mr Dave]

Answer each of these questions with a yes or no

Forgive me in advance for going over the word quota.

1. Do you believe that Jonah was in the belly of the Whale (literally) 3 days and 3 nights?

Don't know - http://www.christianforums.com/t7536879-76/#post56907883

2. Do you believe Jesus was in the heart of the earth (literally) 3 days and 3 night?

No, he rose on the third day, so 3 days 2 nights 1 Cor. 15:4, Luke 24:46 Unless there is some way there was a third night whilst Jesus was descended to the dead I don't see where the third night comes in as the rest of the NT doesn't seem to preach this.

3. Do you believe God created the heaven and the earth and all the host of them (literally) in 6 days?

No.

Thanks.

You're welcome.

 

[Mr Dave]

Just want to add, if you read Jonah literally, why did you as me if Jonah was in the whale?

There isn't a whale mentioned.

 

[AV1611VET]

Just want to add, if you read Jonah literally, why did you as me if Jonah was in the whale?

There isn't a whale mentioned.

@ 1611AV

Isn't the life of a Bible literalist exciting, bro!

(Been there/done that -- many times -- )

 

[Hespera]

I used to believe in evolution before I started reading the Bible and believing the Bible.

Now answer each of these questions with a yes or no please:

1. Do you believe that Jonah was in the belly of the Whale (literally) 3 days and 3 nights?

2. Do you believe Jesus was in the heart of the earth (literally) 3 days and 3 night?

3. Do you believe God created the heaven and the earth and all the host of them (literally) in 6 days?

4. Do you believe that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: (literally)?

Im not a Christian, but the Christians i know dont have any problem with reconciling reality with the bible. IE, evolution is real, and the bible is not a science text.

1. No
2. No. The earth does not have a heart, among other reasons.
3. No. i do think it is possible that a god created the universe, and that nobody can inerrantly translate the bible to mean 6 of our 24 hours days.
4. No


Why do you think there is some conflict with the bible tho?
Evolution and the bible have nothing to do with eachother.

i answered your questions, again, and, again you refused to answser mine. No fair.


Why is it that well educated christians who understand the ToE, have no trouble accepting it as valid, and you cant?

Now please answer my question.

 

[Tinker Grey]

I used to believe in evolution before I started reading the Bible and believing the Bible.

Now answer each of these questions with a yes or no please:

1. Do you believe that Jonah was in the belly of the Whale (literally) 3 days and 3 nights?

2. Do you believe Jesus was in the heart of the earth (literally) 3 days and 3 night?

3. Do you believe God created the heaven and the earth and all the host of them (literally) in 6 days?

4. Do you believe that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: (literally)?

Since I am an atheist, obviously, I answer no to all the above.

However, when I was a Christian I might have answered thusly:
1. What do you mean by 'whale'? The original Hebrew used the word fish. Thus, no I don't believe he was swallowed by a literal whale. I might concede to a fish--especially since the text says 'God prepared', under which conditions the type of sea-critter is immaterial. As for three days and nights, why not? There is no time frame here like the death & ressurection of Jesus.

2. What do you mean by 'heart'? Does the earth have a 'heart'? Do you mean merely under the surface of the earth? If so, I can agree to that. 3 days and nights ... depends on what you mean. If he was burried Friday just before dusk and rose Sunday morning, that's two nights tops. If you think he was buried earilier in the week, then maybe. But there is a discrepency in the different accounts as well as back-pedaling apologetics to make it all fit. For example, it is sometimes alleged that the hebrews would have counted Friday as 1, Saturday as 2, and Sunday as the third day regardless of whether 72 hours had elapsed.

I would also answer that surely it is irrelevant since the death and, more importantly, the resurrection that provided salvation. The correspondance to an old testament story isn't so much the point as the idea that Jesus conveyed that he would die and come back.

3. No. I believe God created the everything and every-time (past, present, & future) what appears to us to be ~13.7 billion years ago.

4. Yes -- except for the 'third' day for reasons stated above.

[ /Christian voice]

 

[Nathan Poe]

How do they/you know they are Christians? Serious answer here please.

The same way they/we know you're one.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I used to believe in evolution before I started reading the Bible and believing the Bible.

That's a shame -- once you put "the Bible" as a criteria at least equal (if not greater) than Jesus Christ, you planted your own stumbling block.

Now answer each of these questions with a yes or no please:

1. Do you believe that Jonah was in the belly of the Whale (literally) 3 days and 3 nights?

No.

2. Do you believe Jesus was in the heart of the earth (literally) 3 days and 3 night?

No.

3. Do you believe God created the heaven and the earth and all the host of them (literally) in 6 days?

No.

4. Do you believe that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: (literally)?

(Literally?) No.

Of course, I don't consider myself a Christian -- not by your standards, but more importantly, not by mine -- so my answers are pretty obvious.

Now A serious question for you -- does a Christian not believing that the stories in the Bible are all literal, historical events make them less of a Christian than yourself (whom, I presume, answers "yes")?

If so, why?

If not, then what's the fuss?