Bible-Creation-Evolution (2)

[1611AV]

Im not a Christian, but the Christians i know dont have any problem with reconciling reality with the bible. IE, evolution is real, and the bible is not a science text.

1. No
2. No. The earth does not have a heart, among other reasons.
3. No. i do think it is possible that a god created the universe, and that nobody can inerrantly translate the bible to mean 6 of our 24 hours days.
4. No


Why do you think there is some conflict with the bible tho?
Evolution and the bible have nothing to do with eachother.

i answered your questions, again, and, again you refused to answser mine. No fair.


Why is it that well educated christians who understand the ToE, have no trouble accepting it as valid, and you cant?

Now please answer my question.

I have answered but I'll do it again in a different way. A Christian that believes in ToE must discount the Word of God to accept the ToE. As Mr. Dave has illustrated. On what scripture in the Bible does a Christian base his Christianity? On the God of the Holy Bible or the God of his imagination?


John 7:15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never LEARNED? (educated)

Isaiah 50:4 The Lord GOD hath given me the tongue of the LEARNED, that I should know how to speak a word in season to [him that is] weary: he wakeneth morning by morning, he wakeneth mine ear to hear as the LEARNED.


2 Timothy 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast LEARNED and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast LEARNED them;

 

[AV1611VET]

1. What do you mean by 'whale'?

The same thing Jesus meant.

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

The Bible, as Gail Riplinger puts it, has It's own built-in dictionary.

Or, as my pastor puts it: The best interpreter of the Bible, is the Bible, Itself.

Another example:

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

Matthew 19:18b Thou shalt do no murder,

 

[1611AV]

The same thing Jesus meant.

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

The Bible, as Gail Riplinger puts it, has It's own built-in dictionary.

Or, as my pastor puts it: The best interpreter of the Bible, is the Bible, Itself.

Another example:

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

Matthew 19:18b Thou shalt do no murder,

AMEN!!! That is so obvious, I didn't feel the need to show that to a "Bible believing" Christian. But I was tempted.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I have answered but I'll do it again in a different way. A Christian that believes in ToE must discount the Word of God to accept the ToE. As Mr. Dave has illustrated. On what scripture in the Bible does a Christian base his Christianity? On the God of the Holy Bible or the God of his imagination?

How about the God who is not limited to either the Holy Bible or your limited understanding of it?

 

[Nostromo]

If it actually happened, then I would conclude the Land Rover came into existence ex nihilo -- (or materia).

No other explanation, that I know of, would work.

It wouldn't even occur to you that the seller might have lied?

 

[1611AV]

That's a shame -- once you put "the Bible" as a criteria at least equal (if not greater) than Jesus Christ, you planted your own stumbling block.



No.



No.



No.



(Literally?) No.

Of course, I don't consider myself a Christian -- not by your standards, but more importantly, not by mine -- so my answers are pretty obvious.

Now A serious question for you -- does a Christian not believing that the stories in the Bible are all literal, historical events make them less of a Christian than yourself (whom, I presume, answers "yes")?

If so, why?

If not, then what's the fuss?

Why would a Christian not believe in the account of Jonah but then believe in the Death burial and resurrection on Jesus?

 

[AV1611VET]

AMEN!!! That is so obvious, I didn't feel the need to show that to a "Bible believing" Christian. But I was tempted.

Ya -- and some of these guys will be quick to remind you they've read the Bible through-and-through; not to mention that they had 'serious questions' they took to their pastor/priest, that said pastor/priest couldn't answer, so said pastor/priest told them not to worry about it, and that offended them, and so on and so ad-nauseum forth.

I've seen/heard that blueprint of a story a dozen times, and if the way they respond to my answers is any indication of the way they responded to their pastor/priest's answers -- I'd say that person did that church a favor by leaving it.

I know that sounds cruel, but ... well ... nevermind.

 

[AV1611VET]

It wouldn't even occur to you that the seller might have lied?

Yes, that occurred to me; but you Arab-phoning your own scenario...

Heck, to avoid the obvious first complaint, we can even say God wrote the documentation.

... forced me to answer as I did.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Why would a Christian not believe in the account of Jonah but then believe in the Death burial and resurrection on Jesus?

Because the account of Jonah is not a central -- check that, the central tenet of their faith -- the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus is.

As I said, you're just putting more obstacles in your way.

 

[Hespera]

I have answered but I'll do it again in a different way. A Christian that believes in ToE must discount the Word of God to accept the ToE. As Mr. Dave has illustrated. On what scripture in the Bible does a Christian base his Christianity? On the God of the Holy Bible or the God of his imagination?


John 7:15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never LEARNED? (educated)

Isaiah 50:4 The Lord GOD hath given me the tongue of the LEARNED, that I should know how to speak a word in season to [him that is] weary: he wakeneth morning by morning, he wakeneth mine ear to hear as the LEARNED.


2 Timothy 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast LEARNED and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast LEARNED them;

Well, no you never answered why it is that educated christians have no trouble with evolution, and yet you do.

LESS STILL DID YOU EXPLAIN HOW YOU BECAME INERENT!

A Christian that believes in ToE must discount the Word of God to accept the ToE.

This is so obviously not true that i dont know how you can make yourself say it. But i guess you can do the true scotsman thin; only an uneducated literalist can be a true christian.

But i doubt you are a true literalist. Do you think the river and hills will sing and clap their hands?.

 

[Hespera]

Why would a Christian not believe in the account of Jonah but then believe in the Death burial and resurrection on Jesus?

do you believe that Pi=3.0?

 

[Belk]

Yes, I don't like the cheap shot comments so lets keep it serious. First of I was responding to another poster who was trying to imply the Bible saying we were all beasts (just the same, no different) I showed him scripturally, we are different.

Now to your question. Who is educating them, man or God? It seems the "educated Christians" and the non believers share the same belief, (((evolution))). Do you not find that alarming?

They also have the same belief in (((Clothes))) and (((Housing))). I assume you are running outside naked right now, yes? Because if not then your point is a complete red herring.

 

[1611AV]

They also have the same belief in (((Clothes))) and (((Housing))). I assume you are running outside naked right now, yes? Because if not then your point is a complete red herring.

Gods Word Belk, Gods Word! Not believing in cars and birds and bugs ect... You seem like a smart guy, don't play stupid.

 

[Belk]

Gods Word Belk, Gods Word! Not believing in cars and birds and bugs ect... You seem like a smart guy, don't play stupid.

Your post mentioned nothing about Gods word, only that christians should be alarmed because they have the same belief as non believers. Since it is the truth of how the diversity of life came to be should they not hold the same belief? The only disagreement is on whom might be behind the process. As I said, your argument is a red herring.

 

[1611AV]

Because the account of Jonah is not a central -- check that, the central tenet of their faith -- the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus is.

As I said, you're just putting more obstacles in your way.

Yet Jesus himself made it central to his ministry. when ministering to a evil and adulterous generation concerning His Gospel. They seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

I'll go with God on this one. As usual.

 

[1611AV]

Your post mentioned nothing about Gods word, only that christians should be alarmed because they have the same belief as non believers. Since it is the truth of how the diversity of life came to be should they not hold the same belief? The only disagreement is on whom might be behind the process. As I said, your argument is a red herring.

Thought you were good with analogies

 

[Tinker Grey]

The same thing Jesus meant.

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

The Bible, as Gail Riplinger puts it, has It's own built-in dictionary.

Or, as my pastor puts it: The best interpreter of the Bible, is the Bible, Itself.

Another example:

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

Matthew 19:18b Thou shalt do no murder,

So what did Jesus mean by a whale? How do you know?

 

[dad]

God's own creation says otherwise.

Science has no idea about whether creation is true, you kidding? Try not to confuse same state past divination with knowing.

 

[Nostromo]

Yes, that occurred to me; but you Arab-phoning your own scenario...

Heck, to avoid the obvious first complaint, we can even say God wrote the documentation.

... forced me to answer as I did.

What precludes a situation where God wrote the documentation and the seller tries to pass it off as the paperwork for a different car?

 

[dad]

Absolutely possible.

No, I have looked at hundreds or thousands of claims and every one is just as unbased as the next. You are misinformed.