BEWARE OF UNIVERSAL RECONCILIATION

[Charlie24]

That's part of it. Not sure if punishment is the right word though. Correction with the purpose of restoration. Not meaningless and endless torture. Sadistic. (therefore not God)

God sent His perfect righteous Son to die a cruel death on the cross for our sins. You had better believe He is serious about sin!

The wages of sin is death, but the Good News is that God made a way to escape that death. We don't have to fear, we can believe and have life everlasting.

Those who reject deserve the judgement of God. They have made a choice of their own free will to reject Gods sacrifice for mans sin.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Right.
How can this be "good news that will cause great joy for all the people" if the vast majority will burn? (the bad news)

Luke 2:10
But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people.

That's great joy for all the ELECT, Steve. We sweep the doomed under the rug.

It's not easy to reconcile salvation with damnation. Something has to yield, preferably with quiet resignation to its chilling fate. Ah, much rejoicing in heaven.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

God sent His perfect righteous Son to die a cruel death on the cross for our sins. You had better believe He is serious about sin!

Amen! And His plan is to save mankind from the affliction of sin. By the work of the cross He reveals the power of Heaven to overcome sin and death, which is love that will go to the depths of hell and back to save the lost.

The wages of sin is death, but the Good News is that God made a way to escape that death. We don't have to fear, we can believe and have life everlasting.

Amen! Once the sin of unbelief is destroyed, the captives will be free indeed. Jesus holds the keys to death and Hades.

Those who reject deserve the judgement of God.

Amen! And God's judgments save. Restorative justice.

They have made a choice of their own free will to reject Gods sacrifice for mans sin.

Uh-oh. Forgive them Father, for they know no what they do.

And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. (2 Cor 4:3-4)

Can the blind man restore his own sight?

 

[Saint Steven]

Those who reject deserve the judgement of God. They have made a choice of their own free will to reject Gods sacrifice for mans sin.

No one deserves to burn for all eternity with no hope of escape. No one. Meaningless and sadistic.

 

[Saint Steven]

God sent His perfect righteous Son to die a cruel death on the cross for our sins. You had better believe He is serious about sin!

Yes. That is why he will not let sin win. A forever burning hell means that sin wins. It means God has FAILED to put an end to it. Isn't that what Jesus came to do? Did God give his only begotten so that the vast majority (countless billions) would be predestined to hell?

 

[Charlie24]

No one deserves to burn for all eternity with no hope of escape. No one. Meaningless and sadistic.

Shame on you Steven!!!

You have pushed God off His throne and decided he is wrong.

 

[Saint Steven]

Shame on you Steven!!!

You have pushed God off His throne and decided he is wrong.

More like -- you (collectively) have born false witness thus breaking the law of God.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Yes. That is why he will not let sin win. A forever burning hell means that sin wins. It means God has FAILED to put an end to it. Isn't that what Jesus came to do? Did God give his only begotten so that the vast majority (countless billions) would be predestined to hell?

Cogently put sir. Does scripture teach that the only explanations for people's failure to grasp this are as follows?

1. Love of sin.
2. Blinded by devil.
3. Suffering a 'strong delusion' sent by God in consequence of item 1.

The stubborn rejection and continuing blindness shown by otherwise reasonable folks to this very straightforward point seems to me to have supernatural origin.

 

[Charlie24]

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Uh-oh. Forgive them Father, for they know no what they do.

And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. (2 Cor 4:3-4)

Can the blind man restore his own sight?[/QUOTE]

I see we disagree on predestination. There are many threads to express your points on this subject. But yes, I am a firm believer in free will.

 

[Saint Steven]

Cogently put sir. Does scripture teach that the only explanations for people's failure to grasp this are as follows?

1. Love of sin.
2. Blinded by devil.
3. Suffering a 'strong delusion' sent by God in consequence of item 1.

The stubborn rejection and continuing blindness shown by otherwise reasonable folks to this very straightforward point seems to me to have supernatural origin.

We are whistleblowers in regards to HellGate. - lol
The Damnationists are using the cooked book to defend themselves.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

I see we disagree on predestination. There are many threads to express your points on this subject. But yes, I am a firm believer in free will.

I accept predestination. Our point of difference I suggest is just in the ultimate destination, which we crazy heretics like to fantasise is salvation, as in His Salvation is the alpha and omega.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

We are whistleblowers in regards to HellGate. - lol
The Damnationists are using the cooked book to defend themselves.

Right, so it's pride/ self-righteousness and deception? A combo of items 1 and 2?

Not saying I'm immune from those things, far from it, but on this issue...well it's got me baffled.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

We are whistleblowers in regards to HellGate. - lol
The Damnationists are using the cooked book to defend themselves.

Is it due to demonic influence or an unclean spirit maybe?

 

[FineLinen]

I am a firm believer in free will.

 

[Charlie24]

I accept predestination. Our point of difference I suggest is just in the ultimate destination, which we crazy heretics like to fantasise is salvation, as in His Salvation is the alpha and omega.

"I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants, Deut.30:19

Nothing has changed from the old to the new!

 

[PuerAzaelis]

No one deserves to burn for all eternity with no hope of escape. No one. Meaningless and sadistic.

 

[Der Alte]

Yes. That is why he will not let sin win. A forever burning hell means that sin wins. It means God has FAILED to put an end to it. Isn't that what Jesus came to do? Did God give his only begotten so that the vast majority (countless billions) would be predestined to hell?

It has been 2000+ years since Jesus why hasn't God put an end to sin yet? What happens to all the sinners who will be punished by fire for some indeterminate period? Will they come out of the fire with love for God who put them there? Please provide scripture for you answer?

 

[Der Alte]

Der toden engel von Auschwitz.

 

[PuerAzaelis]

Isn't that what Jesus came to do?

Who is necessarily saying vast majority? Who knows that apart from God.

As for why he came:

Matthew 20:28 NLT
For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve others and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

 

[PuerAzaelis]

Maybe you are underestimating Evil.