Best Argument For or Against God's Existence

[Joshua260]

Not one
person believes in the FSM.

You don't think so, eh?

 

[Isaacsname]

Well, I gave you some things to address, do that and I'll get back to you

 

[bhsmte]

Good questions, I think that we need to examine the nature of " proof ", if we even want to make a guess how it would be done

This " proof " that people would accept, is it comprised of natural or symbolic language, or both at the same time ?

Is it like a math proof, that can be written ?

Or are people demanding Jesus teleport into everybody's' living rooms and hand over the winning lotto numbers ?

How is it that according to the Bible " every knee will bow " , but yet in order for " every knee to bow ", there will be not one person left who doubts that the Bible is indeed from God ?

This means that there would also have to be irrefutable proof the Bible is " from God " somehow, and that requires examining how " proofs " are constructed, and what exactly constitutes " proof "

Maybe Jesus would be able to somehow prove the Bible is from God ?

Nobody else can, unless I missed it

I don't see how this clarifies anything.

It seems you are referring to the bible a lot, which is not surprising, but I don't see how this relates to God's son can or will prove his existence in anyway that can be reliably verified.

It appears to me, to rely on the bible requires faith that the stuff is true. No problem if people choose to do so, but I don't see the stories as reliable.

 

[nonbeliever314]

Yes, it actually happened.

AN ARGUMENT AGAINST THE GOD OF THE BIBLE'S EXISTENCE.
PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. (NOAH'S ARK)

 

[nonbeliever314]

FYI, "water" is only a liquid.

Brain fart!

 

[nonbeliever314]

Yes. If you mean the Christian god, he is listed among a few candidates (I counted 6 so far, although some of these may really be the same and just perceived to be different) as the cause for the existence of the universe.

Ok. Now explain in extreme detail how the Christian god and the other 5 "caused the existence of the universe.

 

[Berean777]

Good thing I have two fire extinguishers.

I'm sure you won't need them where you are going, surely. Or do you feel that you need them Hmmmmmmm!

 

[bhsmte]

I'm sure you won't need them where you are going, surely. Or do you feel that you need them Hmmmmmmm!

I will need them in case of fire. That is why I have them.

 

[Berean777]

Can one of these millions demonstrate that this experience was not imagined?

No, that is not how faith works, in the same way that you cannot demonstrate your personal experience. You can only testify of your experience but to demonstrate your faith is something that those you are testifying to need to experience themselves.

Christianity is experientially based and you can experience yourself by hearing out the testimony of the tens of millions without you needing to be demonstrated anything.

I don't need to hold your hands and take you there to demonstrate something to you. Your at a stage in life where you can discover yourself without your neighbour telling you.

I thought that this basic principle would have been something that you would have learnt early on in life.

Hebrews 8:11
No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, 'Know the Lord,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest

 

[bhsmte]

No, that is not how faith works, in the same way that you cannot demonstrate your personal experience. You can only testify of your experience but to demonstrate your faith is something that those you are testifying to need to experience themselves.

Christianity is experientially based and you can experience yourself by hearing out the testimony of the tens of millions without you needing to be demonstrated anything.

I don't need to hold your hands and take you there to demonstrate something to you. Your at a stage in life where you can discover yourself without your neighbour telling you.

I thought that this basic principle would have been something that you would have learnt early on in life.

Hebrews 8:11
No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, 'Know the Lord,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest

Are the experiences of the 2/3 of people in the world that lead them to other religions besides Christianity all wrong, or are their experiences just as valid as yours?

 

[Berean777]

Are the experiences of the 2/3 of people in the world that lead them to other religions besides Christianity all wrong, or are their experiences just as valid as yours?

That is a question that you have answered YES to and so why would you ask that of me if your question is based on a false accusation which promotes conflict and argumentation?

If you seek the Lord and change your ways you will find peace. Are you brave enough to discover the truth or will you forever be pointing fingers at people and accusing them.

 

[bhsmte]

That is a question that you have answered YES to and so why would you ask that of me if your question is based on a false accusation which promotes conflict and argumentation?

If you seek the Lord and change your ways you will find peace. Are you brave enough to discover the truth or will you forever be pointing fingers at people and accusing them.

Who have I accused and of what? Please point that out to me.

 

[Berean777]

Who have I accused and of what? Please point that out to me.

Does one really need to point that one out?

 

[bhsmte]

Does one really need to point that one out?

Yes, when you make a claim, it is generally considered you should point it out when asked. That is, unless you can't.

 

[Berean777]

Yes, when you make a claim, it is generally considered you should point it out when asked. That is, unless you can't.

Ok very well.

An accusation can be made in the following ways:

1) none verbal direct
2) none verbal indirect
3) verbal direct
4) verbal indirect
5) suggestive direct
6) suggestive indirect
7) censorship

Come on now, please start ticking boxes, as many as you can that you have applied in your defence of your atheistic faith of knowing beyond a reasonable doubt that God doesn't exist and instructing others of his none existence.

The first accusation of your atheist faith that you made and declared to the world is against God himself. In this matter you can tick all of the boxes above with confidence, that you have them all covered.

Can you handle the truth!

 

[Berean777]

Let us take an example. Because I don't know you or haven't an experiential relationship with you, then if I were to take the atheistic point of view and methodology, then I would also need to cover the above accusations, by saying that you don't exist and teach the world in that endeavour to deny your existence.

Now how would you feel about that. Am I doing something wrong that the atheist is not already doing wrong by denying God's existence and teaching others to also deny his existence. If not, then why?

I can not prove your existence, you could be a computer, a marketing company, a spy agency, a lobby group etc. You could represent anyone, except yourself and so your existence as an individual if you are an INDIVDUAL cannot be demonstrated nor proven, so in that regard if one applies the atheistic methodology of knowing beyond a reasonable doubt that because I cannot demonstrate that you exist, then I would be right in saying that you do not exist.

You know that this would be flatly wrong and so too are atheists 100% wrong in their belief of God's none existence.

To scrutinise a person's existence you are undermining your very own existence by all those fallacious arguments/accusations that atheists use.

So please, don't tell me a white lie by saying that:

"Who have I accused and of what?"

Since you asked I kindly responded to let you know of the truth in the matter. I hope that this would be palatable. Thank!

 

[Berean777]

You would probably say that you put your profile details and that should be proof enough for me. But I ask you that God has his autobiography called the Holy Bible, yet you and others say that this is not proof of his existence and so in that regard, I must also deny your profile in like manner if I were to use atheistic methodology, to prove your existence.

 

[Davian]

Certainly.
I have dreams.
Sorry for my assumption that you could relate.

I do not take issue with dreams, unless you were attempting to use them in the context of philosophy of mind as some sort of evidence for dualism.

 

[Davian]

Good questions, I think that we need to examine the nature of " proof ", if we even want to make a guess how it would be done

This " proof " that people would accept, is it comprised of natural or symbolic language, or both at the same time ?

Is it like a math proof, that can be written ?

Or are people demanding Jesus teleport into everybody's' living rooms and hand over the winning lotto numbers ?

How is it that according to the Bible " every knee will bow " , but yet in order for " every knee to bow ", there will be not one person left who doubts that the Bible is indeed from God ?

This means that there would also have to be irrefutable proof the Bible is " from God " somehow, and that requires examining how " proofs " are constructed, and what exactly constitutes " proof "

Maybe Jesus would be able to somehow prove the Bible is from God ?

Nobody else can, unless I missed it

You work on that and get back to us when you have something of significance.

 

[Davian]

History is always a matter of faith.

Only if you play the equivocation game with the word "faith".

If Jim-Jam, the flim flam man demonstrates something true,
would that convince you? Suddenly truth goes out the window
based on your opinion.

I do not seek truth. I look for accurate descriptions of reality.