Best Argument For or Against God's Existence

[Davian]

Like when your dreaming for instance?

What about it?

 

[SkyWriting]

Invisible things that are clearly seen? Is that like Wonder Woman's jet?

That would leave visible vapor trails and she would believe it existed.
And you believe in such a character, and she has no body.

 

[SkyWriting]

So, do you believe that the story of Noah actually happened?

Yes, it actually happened.

 

[SkyWriting]

What about it?

You remember events, that your physical body was not there for.
And your mind is the only reality that exists.

 

[Joshua260]

"Pretend" implies deception, as in "I closed my eyes and pretended I was asleep". Do try to remain neutral at this point.

I think I have, thank you.

"An immaterial being pretending to be a Christian god"

. There are many variations, and they cannot all be right.

Many variations? Hmmm...I don' think so. I have asked for lists of candidates many times in this thread and I have only received a few suggestions from non-believers, and those few suggestions could in reality be actually the same being.

 

[Davian]

That would leave visible vapor trails and she would believe it existed.

What does your god leave that is clearly seen, that could not be otherwise explained?

And you believe in such a character,

No, I believe she is a fictional character in a book.

and she has no body.

There are those beg to differ.

Lynda Carter as Wonder Woman

• Davian
• Jun 28, 2015
• 2

 

[Davian]

Yes, it actually happened.

Just not in any way that you can demonstrate.

 

[Davian]

You remember events, that your physical body was not there for.
And your mind is the only reality that exists.

Allow me to be sceptical of your unevidenced assertions.

 

[Isaacsname]

I have some strange hunch that only God's son could prove that God exists

 

[Davian]

I think I have, thank you.

Then drop the 'pretending' bit.

Many variations? Hmmm...I don' think so. I have asked for lists of candidates many times in this thread and I have only received a few suggestions from non-believers, and those few suggestions could in reality be actually the same being.

You obviously have not been on the receiving end of as many god concept pitches as I have. Your list would be unwieldy.

 

[bhsmte]

You remember events, that your physical body was not there for.
And your mind is the only reality that exists.

Your point fails.

Dreaming just proves, the mind can imagine things that ARE NOT reality.

 

[bhsmte]

I have some strange hunch that only God's son could prove that God exists

How do you think his son would go about doing that?

 

[Davian]

I have some strange hunch that only God's son could prove that God exists

I am not asking for proof. However, I would like to see something, even small, to demonstrate that we are not simply talking about characters in books.

 

[SkyWriting]

Allow me to be sceptical of your unevidenced assertions.

Certainly.
I have dreams.
Sorry for my assumption that you could relate.

 

[Isaacsname]

Good questions, I think that we need to examine the nature of " proof ", if we even want to make a guess how it would be done

This " proof " that people would accept, is it comprised of natural or symbolic language, or both at the same time ?

Is it like a math proof, that can be written ?

Or are people demanding Jesus teleport into everybody's' living rooms and hand over the winning lotto numbers ?

How is it that according to the Bible " every knee will bow " , but yet in order for " every knee to bow ", there will be not one person left who doubts that the Bible is indeed from God ?

This means that there would also have to be irrefutable proof the Bible is " from God " somehow, and that requires examining how " proofs " are constructed, and what exactly constitutes " proof "

Maybe Jesus would be able to somehow prove the Bible is from God ?

Nobody else can, unless I missed it

 

[SkyWriting]

Just not in any way that you can demonstrate.

History is always a matter of faith.
If Jim-Jam, the flim flam man demonstrates something true,
would that convince you? Suddenly truth goes out the window
based on your opinion.

 

[Joshua260]

Then drop the 'pretending' bit.

It was not meant to be facetious. I'm fine with saying that people have claimed that the immaterial cause for the existence of the universe has manifested itself to be the FSM, the Eternal Flame, or Jesus. Personally, I believe there's abundantly more evidence that the manifestation of Jesus was the real representation of the creator or the universe as opposed to the FSM or the Eternal Flame.

You obviously have not been on the receiving end of as many god concept pitches as I have. Your list would be unwieldy.

Why not just list some and we'll see how they stack up?

 

[SkyWriting]

How is it that according to the Bible " every knee will bow " , but yet in order for " every knee to bow ", there will be not one person left who doubts that the Bible is indeed from God ?

That is the assertion that the story makes. All will know.

 

[SkyWriting]

FSM

Not one
person believes in the FSM.

 

[quatona]

Not one
person believes in the FSM.

Yes, that´s sort of the point.