Benny Hinn.

[Sammy-San]

I am very cautious about deliverance ministry.
My view is we have authority in the name of Jesus,so I don't talk to devils and spirits.
The devil is a liar anyway.

Do you agree with this view on deliverance ministry?

Galatians 4: Deliverance Ministries: Preying on the Vulnerable, Ill and Broken Hearted

Deliverance is a giant mistake. I cannot emphasize this enough. Spiritually, I was letting someone else step in to be a "mediator" between God and me. I renounce all deliverance ministries, as "priests" trying to get control over someone else's life and the domain of the prideful who think they have all the answers and that anyone who does not reach their idea of "perfection" is supposed to be "fixed" by them. Here American ideals of self improvement, prosperity gospel and Calvinist success marry into a rotting stinking stew. Stay away from anyone who wants to "fix" you. Isn't that 90 percent of preachers out there now? Where ousting out "sin" is a self improvement program. It is very painful to me, that I was seen as another "fix-it"project by someone else who never saw me as a real friend. There's some heavy burdens here where I feel immense pressures as a disabled and poor person in American society who has been deemed "unacceptable".

 

[now faith]

Do you agree with this view on deliverance ministry?

Galatians 4: Deliverance Ministries: Preying on the Vulnerable, Ill and Broken Hearted

No I'm not going to bash or accuse a Minister of wrong doing,let alone without ever meeting him or going to his service.
I find that all to often deliverance ministry give Satan glory more than Christ Jesus.
I have known of ministries who believe even trees are the devil,due to old curses.
This is nonsense.
Sinners are more likely to fall into the abyss than Christians.

1 Corinthians: 2. 12. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

 

[Phil 1:21]

You mean this is a real guy? I assumed those GIFs were funny parodies of televangelists. People actually follow this guy? That's frightening.

 

[now faith]

You mean this is a real guy? I assumed those GIFs were funny parodies of televangelists. People actually follow this guy? That's frightening.

It does amaze me that there are so many without discernment.
It comes from not reading God's Word, and relying on Sunday sermons for your knowledge.

People tend to parrot the Preacher more than reading for themselves ,to know what they hear is right or wrong.
As bad as the Jewish holiday seed promise people are,you have to have some greed yourself to fall for it.
As the old saying go's you can't con a honest man.

True prosperity comes from obedience to God's Word,then your in his will.
True prosperity is Spiritual ,Physical, and Financial and It's God's will that we prosper.
Magic seed amounts sent to certain TV people,who promise answered prayer is deplorable.
When we support a TV Evangelist we can know them by their fruit.
How long do they ask or beg for money?
The whole 30 minutes for some,but if they Preach and have outreach ministry and spend a moment promoting a CD or a book I'm good with that.
Every Church passes the offering plate.
Television time is very expensive as well the other cost of Bringing God's Word to millions of people world wide.

 

[Big Drew]

It does amaze me that there are so many without discernment.
It comes from not reading God's Word, and relying on Sunday sermons for your knowledge.

People tend to parrot the Preacher more than reading for themselves ,to know what they hear is right or wrong.
As bad as the Jewish holiday seed promise people are,you have to have some greed yourself to fall for it.
As the old saying go's you can't con a honest man.

True prosperity comes from obedience to God's Word,then your in his will.
True prosperity is Spiritual ,Physical, and Financial and It's God's will that we prosper.
Magic seed amounts sent to certain TV people,who promise answered prayer is deplorable.
When we support a TV Evangelist we can know them by their fruit.
How long do they ask or beg for money?
The whole 30 minutes for some,but if they Preach and have outreach ministry and spend a moment promoting a CD or a book I'm good with that.
Every Church passes the offering plate.
Television time is very expensive as well the other cost of Bringing God's Word to millions of people world wide.

You should have stopped with "True prosperity is spiritual."

The problem with the prosperity gospel is that many adherents will say if someone does not receive healing for their physical illness or impairment it's because they lack faith...or if they're living paycheck to paycheck it's because they lack faith, and God is withholding his blessings because of this. It's very misleading and hurtful, quite honestly.

I've seen people healed, and I've seen people receive a financial blessing...OTOH, I've seen others who are just as faithful die from cancer or have their house foreclosed on.

But God does want us to prosper spiritually...He wants us to continually strive for holiness, then when the problems of this fallen world come, we know in whom we place our trust...that we don't have to face these trials alone. We can pray for a miracle, but if we don't receive it that doesn't mean we lacked faith...it could just means that it wasn't part of His plan.

I'm always reminded of the story about the man at the Pool of Bethesda, and how Christ healed him...but we have to remember there were others at that pool that weren't healed...we can assume that Jesus touched them, but the Bible doesn't say that He did...why He chooses to heal some and not others isn't something we can know on this side of eternity.

 

[now faith]

You should have stopped with "True prosperity is spiritual."

The problem with the prosperity gospel is that many adherents will say if someone does not receive healing for their physical illness or impairment it's because they lack faith...or if they're living paycheck to paycheck it's because they lack faith, and God is withholding his blessings because of this. It's very misleading and hurtful, quite honestly.

I've seen people healed, and I've seen people receive a financial blessing...OTOH, I've seen others who are just as faithful die from cancer or have their house foreclosed on.

But God does want us to prosper spiritually...He wants us to continually strive for holiness, then when the problems of this fallen world come, we know in whom we place our trust...that we don't have to face these trials alone. We can pray for a miracle, but if we don't receive it that doesn't mean we lacked faith...it could just means that it wasn't part of His plan.

I'm always reminded of the story about the man at the Pool of Bethesda, and how Christ healed him...but we have to remember there were others at that pool that weren't healed...we can assume that Jesus touched them, but the Bible doesn't say that He did...why He chooses to heal some and not others isn't something we can know on this side of eternity.

I respect your opinion, and understand why you think it's all about a lack of faith.
Most critics have taught against prosperity so much it is presumed wrong.
Let's try this:
Acts: 10. 34. Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons
Romans: 2. 11. For there is no respect of persons with God.

Matthew: 8. 16. When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: 17. That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

1 Peter: 2. 24. Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Mark: 11. 23. For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. 24. Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. 25. And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. 26. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
John: 15. 6. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8. Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
I do not know why my dear Brother died of Cancer.
I do know his Wife would not hear any verses on healing,my Brother was her 3rd husband to die from Cancer.
What I do know is we have been redeemed from the law of sin and death
Galatians: 3. 13. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree.

James: 5. 14. Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15. And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

(And the prayer of faith shall save the sick)
My Brother found God before he died,did he have to die ,was it God's will?
No.
They kept him on radiation after he was clear of cancer and he caught a virus and it killed him.
Our Church is nondenominational we have people blessed with healing all the time,tumors gone people recovering quickly from bad accidents and one lady winning against cancer 3 different times.
People still die in our Church,I don't know the reason but I do know there are things that hold back healing other than a lack of faith.
What would have happened to Hezekiah,if he did not pray for more years?
He would have died.

 

[now faith]

It should not be hurtful to be obedient to God.
Why would any one prosper if they could not give?
I will not go through verses on giving,but financial prosperity is a direct result of your heart toward giving.
A result of your tithes, offerings and alms.
The rich young ruler could not give ,and he could not follow Christ.
He put his money before the Master ,and walked away in sorrow.

No one can determine how much Ģod can bless another person,yet people are limited by their
Own selfish lust

 

[Big Drew]

I attended a church for a while that preached the prosperity doctrine...the pastor driving around in a Hummer, his wife in a BMW...they had the nicest clothes, lived in a big house on the lake...while most of us in the congregation were driving last year's Ford or Toyota, living in modest houses and buying our clothes off the clearance rack at JC Penney.

Every Sunday there was a mini-sermon on the importance of giving, and that you'll get back 100 fold...there was always an anecdote like how he had given all this money to someone and the next week someone gave him a brand new Harley Davidson motorcycle...or how his son had done something and someone gave him a brand new Gibson Les Paul guitar...

You'd see the offering plate just overflowing...yet we all still shopped at JC Penney in our Fords...

I believe that when we understand that prosperity is meant to be spiritual then we are able to be content with what we do have...why put so much emphasis on earthly possessions, when you can't take them with you?

 

[Phil 1:21]

People tend to parrot the Preacher more than reading for themselves ,to know what they hear is right or wrong.

Brother, you said a mouthful right there.

 

[now faith]

I attended a church for a while that preached the prosperity doctrine...the pastor driving around in a Hummer, his wife in a BMW...they had the nicest clothes, lived in a big house on the lake...while most of us in the congregation were driving last year's Ford or Toyota, living in modest houses and buying our clothes off the clearance rack at JC Penney.

Every Sunday there was a mini-sermon on the importance of giving, and that you'll get back 100 fold...there was always an anecdote like how he had given all this money to someone and the next week someone gave him a brand new Harley Davidson motorcycle...or how his son had done something and someone gave him a brand new Gibson Les Paul guitar...

You'd see the offering plate just overflowing...yet we all still shopped at JC Penney in our Fords...

I believe that when we understand that prosperity is meant to be spiritual then we are able to be content with what we do have...why put so much emphasis on earthly possessions, when you can't take them with you?

Who decides what you are to have and have not?
Another guy may say oh I shop at goodwill and JC Penny is too much.
I don't know about what's in the heart of a Pastor,God knows though.
Money is simply a tool for provision ,you give and you recieve.
I used to do the collection at a Baptist Church,they shook the plates every time the Church doors were open,yet would speak against prosperity.
I bet if the church crowd all got a BMW you wouldn't hear much critics on the matter.
Just as you can make material things your Idol,you can be caught up in humble pride.
Look at how humbly poor we are,and we want to suffer for Jesus.
Quite frankly who has what is none of my business,if they have more expensive stuff than I do I'm happy for them.
Either they are cheerful givers or smart at investing ,or well maybe they are crooks.
There are many great Preachers who have made money outside the Church.
But it doesn't matter how many hours they spend or how many degrees they have,or how many nights are someone's dieing bed side.
They should live in a Alabama double wide ,Raise chickens and drive a 83 ford pickup.

 

[now faith]

Poverty is a curse ,poverty never supports missions,never reaches the youth never takes the Gospel to prisons and never let's anyone see anything bigger than their immediate need.

Sound Bible teaching will break the curse ,if a person can stop criticism long enough to learn what God's will is for mankind.
Jesus said the poor you will always have with you,but he did not say to be holy you have to be poor.
Who was their saying we should sell the perfume Jesus was being anointed with?
We should give it to the poor!
Judas the one who betrayed Jesus,always watching the money sold Jesus out.
The Love of money is the root of all evil,keeping watch on what others have.?you decide

 

[Big Drew]

Who decides what you are to have and have not?
Another guy may say oh I shop at goodwill and JC Penny is too much.
I don't know about what's in the heart of a Pastor,God knows though.
Money is simply a tool for provision ,you give and you recieve.
I used to do the collection at a Baptist Church,they shook the plates every time the Church doors were open,yet would speak against prosperity.
I bet if the church crowd all got a BMW you wouldn't hear much critics on the matter.
Just as you can make material things your Idol,you can be caught up in humble pride.
Look at how humbly poor we are,and we want to suffer for Jesus.
Quite frankly who has what is none of my business,if they have more expensive stuff than I do I'm happy for them.
Either they are cheerful givers or smart at investing ,or well maybe they are crooks.
There are many great Preachers who have made money outside the Church.
But it doesn't matter how many hours they spend or how many degrees they have,or how many nights are someone's dieing bed side.
They should live in a Alabama double wide ,Raise chickens and drive a 83 ford pickup.

I don't care if someone has more than I do or not...I was raised in an upper middle class family, as was my wife...I own my own business, and my wife is very successful in her profession...we're still upper middle class, by the standards of where we live...and, I've been on the other end...making barely above minimum wage, living in a run down trailer.

What sickened me about the situation I mentioned above was the way the pastor always went about it...guilting people into giving money...people that had much less than him, and then flaunting his wealth in front of them with empty promises of, "You can have this too if you just believe!"

What about the poor? The homeless? The hungry? Not only overseas, but right here in our very town. This church does very little for outreach...once a month they hand out a small bag of groceries to a needy family. Once a year they'll volunteer for some community betterment program for the city...they have a handful of missionaries they sponsor...and that's it. No telling how many thousands of dollars that are going to the pastor each year that could be spent doing the work the Lord instructed us to do. The only thing fueling this is greed...it has nothing to do with having "the Lord's favor."

Now, if all of these things are being done, and there's an abundance left over...then by all means, give it to the Pastor...but if the purpose of the church is to line the pastor's pockets then the pastor is a charlatan, and the congregation are fools.

Hate to be so blunt about it, but there's no other way to describe that.

 

[now faith]

I don't care if someone has more than I do or not...I was raised in an upper middle class family, as was my wife...I own my own business, and my wife is very successful in her profession...we're still upper middle class, by the standards of where we live...and, I've been on the other end...making barely above minimum wage, living in a run down trailer.


What sickened me about the situation I mentioned above was the way the pastor always went about it...guilting people into giving money...people that had much less than him, and then flaunting his wealth in front of them with empty promises of, "You can have this too if you just believe!"

What about the poor? The homeless? The hungry? Not only overseas, but right here in our very town. This church does very little for outreach...once a month they hand out a small bag of groceries to a needy family. Once a year they'll volunteer for some community betterment program for the city...they have a handful of missionaries they sponsor...and that's it. No telling how many thousands of dollars that are going to the pastor each year that could be spent doing the work the Lord instructed us to do. The only thing fueling this is greed...it has nothing to do with having "the Lord's favor."

Now, if all of these things are being done, and there's an abundance left over...then by all means, give it to the Pastor...but if the purpose of the church is to line the pastor's pockets then the pastor is a charlatan, and the congregation are fools.

Hate to be so blunt about it, but there's no other way to describe that.

LOL My Brother we have a lot in common,where do you think I got the name Alabama double wide?
That's the only way to truly understand prosperity is to have abased in life.
I don't know what the motives were at that Church you spoke of,but their are so many who are unsaved doing the business of Church.
I personally believe they are either agnostic or atheist because surly the Holy Spirit would bring them to condemnation.
I have watched Pastors struggle to get by,due to their view on money.
Men driven into Heart attacks because of the demands of a job and a Pastor.
That's not God's Will.
On tithing the Bible asks a question Would a man rob God?
I ask as well would a man rob God of his best effort?
Torn between the needs of raising a family and serving God.
1 Corinthians: 9. 13. Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the alter are partakers with the alter? 14. Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
Oh I have heard how Paul was a tent maker but by study you can find that Churches gave to his ministry gifts and provisions.

Philippians: 4. 10. But I rejoiced in the Lord greatly, that now at the last your care of me hath flourished again; wherein ye were also careful, but ye lacked opportunity. 11. Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content. 12. I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. 13. I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. 14. Notwithstanding ye have well done, that ye did communicate with my affliction. 15. Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only. 16. For even in Thessalonica ye sent once and again unto my necessity. 17. Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account. 18. But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God. 19. But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

 

[now faith]

I don't know who the guy is in this video or what he stands for.
But he is quoting from Kenneth Hagins book The Midas Touch.
I recommend this Book due to its rebuke of both sides of the issiue.
Hagin rebukes both sides of the ditch to use his metaphor.

 

[Sammy-San]

I am very cautious about deliverance ministry.
My view is we have authority in the name of Jesus,so I don't talk to devils and spirits.
The devil is a liar anyway.

Do you believe angela greenig is deceiving others with the story?

 

[now faith]

Do you believe angela greenig is deceiving others with the story?

My first thought is she is telling the truth.
Keep in mind it has nothing to do with Benny Hinn, at that time he was or could have been a vessel for the Holy Spirit.
Man can lay no claim for his good deeds ,all miracles, signs and wonders are from God at his time.
I do not believe anyone can bring the Holy Spirit when they desire.
Hinn would have been given the word at that time for that time.
With her Testament I think of the verse: whom the Son has set free is free indeed.
Jesus said a kingdom divided cannot stand,He was speaking after being accused of his works being of the devil.
His point was Satan does not cast out Satan.
His accusers were in grave danger of offending the Holy Spirit, of which there can be no repentance.
I do not follow Hinn,but I know he has many who hate him and call him a fraud.
Take this as you will,but the closer to the light the hotter things get.
There are so many false propoets ,as well true prophets all to often they are lumped together and both are condemned.
God searches the hearts of men and knows their motives.

Billy Graham once said : God will Judge The Holy Spirit will convict,but it's man's charge to love.