Benny Hinn bashers only please...

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

Actually that could be all that you meant, you cannot claim to have perfect knowledge of Paul's writing because we don't have the autograph for any of them. And you are not following how Paul says to treat members of the church when sin comes up. You are publicly decrying Hinn for what you see as sin and that is nowhere mentioned, I even asked you for a cite and you have yet to provide it.

 

[12volt_man]

You are publicly decrying Hinn for what you see as sin and that is nowhere mentioned, I even asked you for a cite and you have yet to provide it.

Actually, I haven't said one word about his personal behavior. Each of my posts have addressed his teaching, not his behavior.

If you're going to purposely misrepresent my posts then I guess I have nothing left to say to you.

It's one thing to have a disagreement, but if you're going to claim that I said things I never did in an attempt to make me look bad, then I'm just going to leave that between you and God.

That having been said, I'm praying for you and, in the words of Forrest Gump, that's all I have to say about that.

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

Ok then, show us where we are to publicly decry false teachings in the body? I see it nowhere.

 

[12volt_man]

Ok then, show us where we are to publicly decry false teachings in the body? I see it nowhere.

I did.

I'm praying for you.

 

[brettnolan]

We are all saved in spite of what we are taught.

I agree with this.

 

[Under_His_Shadow]

I think you're confusing this with the Bible's admonitions about handling someone in the church who is in sin and settling a personal dispute.

Remember that the Bible tells us that teachers are held to a higher standard and that there are several instances of false teachers being called out publically.

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Benny Hinn doesn't need me or anyone else to validate his ministry; "Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own Master [Christ] he stands or falls" (Rom. 14:4),

You need to go back and read this passage again in it's proper context. If you do, you'll see that it's about condemning weaker brothers in Christ over what Paul calls "disputable matters", not confronting false teachers.

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so I think we need to adopt Gamaliel's wisdom and realize that "if this...work is of men, it will come to nothing; but if it is of God you cannot overthrow it" (Acts 5:38-39),

Unfortunately, the Bible doesn't give us that option. It tells us to mark false teachers as anathema and have nothing to do with them. In addition, it gives us a responsibility to stand up and speak out against false teachers.

As Jesus said. "there is no one who will perform a miracle in My name, and be able soon afterward to speak evil of Me. For he who is not against us is for us" (Mk. 9:39).

Remember, though, that Jesus was referring to factions among His followers, not to false teachers.

Brother, I'm sorry that you seemed to have missed both the spirit of what I said, and what I believe the Spirit of Truth may have been try to say to you both through what I wrote, and the Scriptures I quoted. I used the verses that I did to convey valid Biblical principles/truths which are supported by the entire word of God, not necessarily to teach the immediate or "near" context of each particular passage quoted. It is the Holy Spirit's applying God's truth to our heart's that causes the Word to become life to us, but the narrowly interpreted, legalist, "letter" of the word that always kills hope, faith, and joy (2 Cor.3:6).

After reading your responses to others, I realize that nothing I or anyone else say is going to convince you to stop sharpening and swinging that axe with Benny Hinn's name on it, so will only ask that you, along with me, pray that God would reveal if one (or both) of us has perhaps allowed the pride of our heart(s) to deceive us from seeing the truth in this matter (Ob.1:3).

 

[12volt_man]

I used the verses that I did to convey valid Biblical principles/truths which are supported by the entire word of God, not necessarily to teach the immediate or "near" context of each particular passage quoted.

You took these verses out of context. I don't think you did it on purpose, but to base your behavior on verses taken out of context leads to the same doctrinal error that Hinn is engaging in.

It is the Holy Spirit's applying God's truth to our heart's that causes the Word to become life to us, but the narrowly interpreted, legalist, "letter" of the word that always kills hope, faith, and joy (2 Cor.3:6).

I agree.

After reading your responses to others, I realize that nothing I or anyone else say is going to convince you to stop sharpening and swinging that axe with Benny Hinn's name on it,

I'm sorry that you have such a low view of the Bible's commands to us. If you think that judging what he's teaching in light of scripture (as we are commanded to do) is swinging an axe, then it's no wonder that every verse you've quoted so far has been out of context.

 

[LivingWorship]

Ok then, show us where we are to publicly decry false teachings in the body? I see it nowhere.

Ummm Flesh with all due respect aren't we told that in the last days false teachers will come, many be deceived and etcetera... there are times when we are told to have nothing to do with these kind of people! Ok so it might not outright say to "publicly decry" them but if you feel something is false then shouldn't you at least for the sake of those you love inform them you think it's wrong and have misgivings? At least then you can debate the merits of the doctrine and line it up with Scripture. Where do I see this?

Heb 13:9, Matt 24:10-13, 2 Peter 2, Colossians 2:8, Acts 20:29-31,Matt 7:15-16

I'm not here to bash Hinn, goodness everyone else does a good enough job OUTSIDE the church, let alone inside! But if someone is concerned about teaching he needs to raise it. Heavens above, it shouldn't matter who it is, whether your local pastor, your brother, or the big TV evangelist. They still serve the same GOd and hey, maybe it was an accident or oversight. But they need to know the truth. As I always say, truth with LOVE is the key here. We need to refute untruths and yet remain with love. Someone on CF mentioned that if you discern that this person is wrong and yet are unwilling to die for them, you lack love and have gone from discerning to damning. Interesting way to look at this issue! God bless you all

 

[TasManOfGod]

I often look at some "beleivers" comments about their brothers in Christ and wonder if they REALLY want to be judged in the same manner in which they judge others or forgive others in the same manner that they want to be forgiven.
Firstly I rarely hear of first hand evidence of anything actually been done or said to them in person. Everything they know about the person they condemn usually comes from somebody elses gossip or slander.
I look toward the time that we all come to the place of repentance and straighten our own lives out instead of straightening everybody elses out before our own

 

[ischus]

I often look at some "beleivers" comments about their brothers in Christ and wonder if they REALLY want to be judged in the same manner in which they judge others or forgive others in the same manner that they want to be forgiven.
Firstly I rarely hear of first hand evidence of anything actually been done or said to them in person. Everything they know about the person they condemn usually comes from somebody elses gossip or slander.
I look toward the time that we all come to the place of repentance and straighten our own lives out instead of straightening everybody elses out before our own

Nothing personal, Tas, but two things come to mind:

1) When there is a message being put out that someone is preaching a false gospel we do have the right to research it- Not gossip, not 'slam' the person, but research it.

2) When Paul or John or others got news of any type of false gospel being preached, although it did not effect them personally, they took offense to it because it was being taught to their loved ones. They did not go and inquire person-to-person.. they simply wrote a letter and spoke the truth. I think that is what is being done here, in the same spirit (for the most part).

 

[TasManOfGod]

Nothing personal, Tas, but two things come to mind:

1) When there is a message being put out that someone is preaching a false gospel we do have the right to research it- Not gossip, not 'slam' the person, but research it.

2) When Paul or John or others got news of any type of false gospel being preached, although it did not effect them personally, they took offense to it because it was being taught to their loved ones. They did not go and inquire person-to-person.. they simply wrote a letter and spoke the truth. I think that is what is being done here, in the same spirit (for the most part).

Can you show me examples of this "false gospel" you talk about

 

[ischus]

The false gospel I am referring to can be found in the many posts on this thread. I don't really want to go back and quote all of them....

Also.. be sure to read my posts as well. You will find that I am not against Benny Hinn...

 

[TasManOfGod]

I think we ought to pray more for those who slam Benny Hinn than we do for Benny Hinn himself

 

[ischus]

I agree.