Benny Hinn bashers only please...

[muffler dragon]

I think Counterfeit Revival by Hank Hannegraff might be a good read for people who are investigating or just interested in this type of movement. It discusses Hinn, Brownsville Revival, Toronto Airport Blessing and so on. It may ruffle some feathers, but at least he uses referenced material for his opinions.

I only mention this for people who would like some concrete diagnoses to the 'healed' people. If you know of Hank and don't like him, that's fine. I just bought it as a piece of reference more than anything else.

 

[TasManOfGod]

brett
I notice your bicycle has a reverse gear

 

[Svt4Him]

I don't think he sends his followers to hell, but here are a couple places to start if you want to know his doctrine/theology.

http://christiansaware.faithweb.com/Hinn_book_review1.htm

http://www.cultlink.com/sentinel/hinnqs.htm

Well, according to Hendrik H. Hanegraaff, I'm not saved either, but I'm not the greatest fan of him. I listened to a show where someone prophecied against HH, then phoned and said he was wrong to do that, and he publically repented. HH seemed to think that it showed the man was a false prophet, and only part of the talk was played for weeks and weeks.

As for Benny Hinn, we seem to want to add more to salvation than God does. I think Benny Hinn loves God, gives Jesus all the glory. Maybe he has some doctrinal issues, but if anyone thinks they are 100% correct in their doctrine, they have different issues.

 

[brettnolan]

brett
I notice your bicycle has a reverse gear

How so?

 

[12volt_man]

Forgive the slightly misleading title...

I don't really want to slam Hinn, that's been done to death. I have a legitimate (I think) question concerning his followers. Do you think his "congregation" is saved or are they in big trouble?

The reason I ask is because I think, as do a lot of others, that HE is a fruitcake. But if his followers believe in Jesus and the resurrection and proclaim Him as their Lord and Savior and follow His Word would they not be saved? Even if they are so naive and gullible as to believe Hinn's "wonders?"

I don't know if they're saved or not but, if they are, they're save in spite of his teaching, not because of it.

 

[12volt_man]

Well, according to Hendrik H. Hanegraaff, I'm not saved either, but I'm not the greatest fan of him.

If you're going to make such a charge, then you have a responsibility to show evidnce that Hanegraaff has ever said such a thing.

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

We are all saved in spite of what we are taught, there is not one minister that teaches 100% correct doctrine. Arminianist's think Calvinist's pervert atonement and vice versa. Judging Hinn is just silly to be quite honest. I see so many people get all high and mighty running down WoF and other Evangelists, being 100% sure that they are in the wrong and speaking as such. All the while they are critisizing men and women who are teaching the name of Jesus to more people than most of us will ever even meet. Do I think Hinn has some doctrinal errors, sure I do, would I be able to find anyone who doesn't? No! I will reserve judgement for God and not speak out against men who are teaching Christ and Him ressurected to millions, if I am wrong and Hinn does have things right I certainly don't want to stand before God and have to account for my words if I were to speak out like I see some people do around here.

 

[12volt_man]

I have seen his (television) ministry from time to time over a period of many years now, and have no doubt that he is a brother in Christ who loves Jesus wholeheartedly, and is being used by God as a channel through which many are healed physically and also led to salvation in Christ, despite his having a hair style, clothes, or mannerisms which some of us would not ourselves prefer! ]

I suggest that when we see things in another brother that we are concerned about, we confront him about it in person, or that being impractical, through telephone, letter, or e-mail, and above all take it to God in prayer regarding his needed (according to our opinion) correction and restoration, in the spirit of meekness, considering our own imperfection and vulnerability to sin (Gal. 6:1).

I think you're confusing this with the Bible's admonitions about handling someone in the church who is in sin and settling a personal dispute.

Remember that the Bible tells us that teachers are held to a higher standard and that there are several instances of false teachers being called out publically.

Benny Hinn doesn't need me or anyone else to validate his ministry; "Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own Master [Christ] he stands or falls" (Rom. 14:4),

You need to go back and read this passage again in it's proper context. If you do, you'll see that it's about condemning weaker brothers in Christ over what Paul calls "disputable matters", not confronting false teachers.

so I think we need to adopt Gamaliel's wisdom and realize that "if this...work is of men, it will come to nothing; but if it is of God you cannot overthrow it" (Acts 5:38-39),

Unfortunately, the Bible doesn't give us that option. It tells us to mark false teachers as anathema and have nothing to do with them. In addition, it gives us a responsibility to stand up and speak out against false teachers.

As Jesus said. "there is no one who will perform a miracle in My name, and be able soon afterward to speak evil of Me. For he who is not against us is for us" (Mk. 9:39).

Remember, though, that Jesus was referring to factions among His followers, not to false teachers.

 

[12volt_man]

We are all saved in spite of what we are taught,

So then, when the Bible talks about people who aren't saved, it's lying?

I see so many people get all high and mighty running down WoF and other Evangelists, being 100% sure that they are in the wrong and speaking as such. All the while they are critisizing men and women who are teaching the name of Jesus to more people than most of us will ever even meet.

Can you please explain to us where scripture tells us that false teachers are exempt from scrutiny just because they preach to a lot of people?

if I am wrong and Hinn does have things right I certainly don't want to stand before God and have to account for my words if I were to speak out like I see some people do around here.

Honestly, if I thought that I were wrong about Hinn, then I would much rather stand before God knowing that I had followed His word, even if I were misguided, than standing before Him knowing I had ignored His word.

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

So then, when the Bible talks about people who aren't saved, it's lying?

God is the only judge of salvation, that does not rest with you or me.

Can you please explain to us where scripture tells us that false teachers are exempt from scrutiny just because they preach to a lot of people?

False in your opinion

Honestly, if I thought that I were wrong about Hinn, then I would much rather stand before God knowing that I had followed His word, even if I were misguided, than standing before Him knowing I had ignored His word.

You would not be ignoring his word to not say anything.

 

[victoryword]

Please allow me to add my voice in dissenting against Benny Hinn bashers. I am against all forms of heresy hunting.

http://www.victoryword.100megspop2.com/seven_tactics.html

 

[12volt_man]

God is the only judge of salvation, that does not rest with you or me.

But you've already made a judgement. You've already declared everyone saved.

False in your opinion

No, false in the Bible's opinion.

You would not be ignoring his word to not say anything.

Actually, I would since the Bible tells us that we are to stand up for sound doctrine.

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

But you've already made a judgement. You've already declared everyone saved.

Where did I say everyone is saved? I stated very clearly and you quoted it, that God is the only judge of salvation. That is by no means even close to universalism, which you are accusing of. Where do you get that from what I said?

No, false in the Bible's opinion.

No, in your intrepetation of scripture, in many people's reading Hinn is not teaching anything false.

Actually, I would since the Bible tells us that we are to stand up for sound doctrine.

Cite this.

 

[12volt_man]

Where did I say everyone is saved? I stated very clearly and you quoted it, that God is the only judge of salvation. That is by no means even close to universalism, which you are accusing of. Where do you get that from what I said?

Your exact words:

We are all saved in spite of what we are taught

No, in your intrepetation of scripture, in many people's reading Hinn is not teaching anything false.

No, not just in my interpretation of scripture.

Scripture is clear that Christ purchased the atonement on the cross, not in Hell.

There is not one verse or passage of scripture or one creed or affirmation of historic, orthodox Christianity that suggests otherwise.

Cite this.

Romans 16:17, 1 Tim 4:13, 2 Tim 4:2 for starters.

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

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I will be keeping on eye on this thread, lets stay on topic and keep trashing our brothers and sisters in Christ!

***** MOD HAT OFF *****

 

[uncle david]

I may be wrong, but I don't think Benny Hinn actually pastor's a "congregation" any longer. Even if he still does, salvation is an individual matter, of people receiving Christ one at a time. Entire congregations are not saved in one fell swoop, en-masse. Even in most evangelical congregations, no doubt there are some unsaved people attending fairly regularly.

I have seen his (television) ministry from time to time over a period of many years now, and have no doubt that he is a brother in Christ who loves Jesus wholeheartedly, and is being used by God as a channel through which many are healed physically and also led to salvation in Christ, despite his having a hair style, clothes, or mannerisms which some of us would not ourselves prefer! I have never heard him claim that he was doing any "wonders" or healings by his own power or righteousness, but to the contrary, have always observed him being diligent to give God the praise and glory for any healings.

I don't personally agree with some of his teachings that I have heard, but he does lift up Jesus Christ as the Way to salvation, the Truth regarding that Way, and the Life/power of the Holy Spirit who heals us and gives us that new Life!

I certainly would not base my opinion of any high-profile Christian on what I heard and saw on "20-20" or any other secular media's "documentary" or "expose".

I know it grieves my spirit, and so am sure it must grieve the Holy Spirit even more, to hear those of us who call ourselves Christians belittling, name-calling, and mocking another brother in the Lord! Satan is "the accuser of our brethren" (Rev. 12:10), and when we slander another believer, we actually are siding with the devil.

I suggest that when we see things in another brother that we are concerned about, we confront him about it in person, or that being impractical, through telephone, letter, or e-mail, and above all take it to God in prayer regarding his needed (according to our opinion) correction and restoration, in the spirit of meekness, considering our own imperfection and vulnerability to sin (Gal. 6:1).

Benny Hinn doesn't need me or anyone else to validate his ministry; "Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own Master [Christ] he stands or falls" (Rom. 14:4), so I think we need to adopt Gamaliel's wisdom and realize that "if this...work is of men, it will come to nothing; but if it is of God you cannot overthrow it" (Acts 5:38-39), lest like James and John, we desire to "command fire to come down from heaven and consume" Benny, only to have Jesus say to us, "You do not know what manner of spirit you are of" (Lk. 9: 54:55).

As Jesus said. "there is no one who will perform a miracle in My name, and be able soon afterward to speak evil of Me. For he who is not against us is for us" (Mk. 9:39).

U.H.S.

†

don't any of you dare speak evil of that man. He is a son and servant of the God of abraham, isaac, and jacob. he is doing the work of the lord and being a faithful servant, more than probably any of you religious people. he preaches the truth and the truth shall make you free! by his stripes we are healed. of course the media is gonna say he is a fake, they think we are all fake. "he who blesses you I will bless, he who curses you I will curse". that is a promise of our covenant with Jehova, don't you dare break it... for your sake!

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

Your exact words:

We are all saved in spite of what we are taught

Let me clarify then, all of us who are saved are saved in spite of what we are taught, is that better? Since this is a Christians Only area then all of US are considered saved, I didn't think I needed to clarify that.

No, not just in my interpretation of scripture.

Scripture is clear that Christ purchased the atonement on the cross, not in Hell.

There is not one verse or passage of scripture or one creed or affirmation of historic, orthodox Christianity that suggests otherwise.



Romans 16:17, 1 Tim 4:13, 2 Tim 4:2 for starters.

And Benny Hinn cites scripture to back his claims as well, so it is a case of he said, he said. You can quote scripture all day long and still be wrong look at the Christian Identity movement for a good example. Hinn may be wrong, but you certainly maybe as well. Beam, mote, eyc anyone?

 

[12volt_man]

And Benny Hinn cites scripture to back his claims as well, so it is a case of he said, he said. You can quote scripture all day long and still be wrong look at the Christian Identity movement for a good example. Hinn may be wrong, but you certainly maybe as well.

I may be but if I am, then the whole of historic, orthodox Christianity is wrong right along with me. If I'm wrong, then Paul is wrong, too.

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

What you said:

I may be but if I am, then the whole of historic, orthodox Christianity is wrong right along with me. If I'm wrong, then Paul is wrong, too.

What you meant:

I may be but if I am, then the whole of historic, orthodox Christianity, as I understand it, is wrong right along with me. If I'm wrong, then my understanding of Paul is wrong, too

 

[12volt_man]

What you said:


What you meant:

I may be but if I am, then the whole of historic, orthodox Christianity, as I understand it, is wrong right along with me. If I'm wrong, then my understanding of Paul is wrong, too

Actually, that's not what I meant. What I said was what I meant.

I'm praying for you.