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What is JohnRabbit eating at bugger king again?I agree considering his op remarks in the post. Sure seems contradictory to me.
Yeah I think it is rather odd. The nice thing about the truth is it is consistant. I never worry bout what I say and it seems to be very consistant. With out a quote it will be routinely denied. And besides that was yesterday and has nothing to with today.
wow...
Yeah I think it is rather odd. The nice thing about the truth is it is consistant. I never worry bout what I say and it seems to be very consistant. With out a quote it will be routinely denied. And besides that was yesterday and has nothing to with today.
Be glad to.
Starting with a little background on Blood Covenants.
Most people are acquainted with the name Dr. Livingstone. He was a missionary to Africa in the 1800s.
He traveled extensively through Africa among primitive tribes. He traveled safely because of blood covenants that he had entered into. One of those blood covenants was with Queen Manenko of the Balonda tribes. Both had representatives in the ceremony.
The hands of the parties are joined, small incisions made on the clasped hands, on the pit of the stomachs of each as we as the right checks and foreheads. A small quantity of blood is taken from these points on each participant by means of a grass stalk.
The blood from each is put into separate pots of beer and each drinks the others blood. They are supposed to become perpetual friends or relations. Then different actions and the uttering of sentences were done ratifying the treaty. For instance if one tribe decided to attack the other the parties of the covenant made were obligated to warn the other so they could escape. The exchange of valuable presents were also done.
There was generally curse made, something like If either of us retract from the terms of this oath, let him instantly become a fool, let him instantly become blind, let this covenant become a curse to him; let him not be a human being; let there be no heir to inherit after him, but let him be reduced, and float with the water never to see it source; let him never obtain; what is out of doors, may it never enter; and what is within may it never go out; the little obtained, may he be deprived of it; and let him never obtain justice from the sovereign nor from the people.
There is also a blessing, something like If we keep and observe this covenant, may this cause us to live long and happy with our wives and our children; may we be approved by the sovereign, and beloved by the people; may we get money, may we obtain property and cattle. May we marry wives, may we have good robes, and wear a good piece of cloth on our bodies, since, amidst our toils and labor, these are the things we seek after.
The Blood Covenant in the Bible
1 Sam 18:1-4
18:1 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul .
2 And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home to his father's house.
3 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul .
4 And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.
KJV
Stay tuned!
More to come that will get us into the NT.
i just asked, and said i was sorry in the post, must have confused you with another. But just so i learn, did you say something, like they are in a "general sense" or something like that. Again, if i am wrong...sorry...
Just trying to get to know my brother.
JohnRabbit I'm talking about the sacrifice in the manner you talk about the law aka 10 commandments. You say they were in the beginning and therefore can't be done away with as part of the law. Where you get this from the Bible I don't understand. It clearly contradicts Gal 3:19. The fact that the sacrifices existed prior to Mt Sinai has nothing to do with them becoming law. The difference I see in the law and the prior accounts is the law requires them and some of them on a regular schedule. So there are added features to the sacrifice at least in regards to when some will be done. This doesn't prevent free will worship or sacrifices. Others after the institution of the levitical priesthood besides the priest offered sacrifices and not for sins.
Since the bible states covenants were sealed with blood and I don't find any such thing in the account of a covenant in Ex 19, I take it there is no covenant there as JohnRabbit presents.Be glad to.
Starting with a little background on Blood Covenants.
Most people are acquainted with the name Dr. Livingstone. He was a missionary to Africa in the 1800s.
He traveled extensively through Africa among primitive tribes. He traveled safely because of blood covenants that he had entered into. One of those blood covenants was with Queen Manenko of the Balonda tribes. Both had representatives in the ceremony.
The hands of the parties are joined, small incisions made on the clasped hands, on the pit of the stomachs of each as we as the right checks and foreheads. A small quantity of blood is taken from these points on each participant by means of a grass stalk.
The blood from each is put into separate pots of beer and each drinks the others blood. They are supposed to become perpetual friends or relations. Then different actions and the uttering of sentences were done ratifying the treaty. For instance if one tribe decided to attack the other the parties of the covenant made were obligated to warn the other so they could escape. The exchange of valuable presents were also done.
There was generally curse made, something like If either of us retract from the terms of this oath, let him instantly become a fool, let him instantly become blind, let this covenant become a curse to him; let him not be a human being; let there be no heir to inherit after him, but let him be reduced, and float with the water never to see it source; let him never obtain; what is out of doors, may it never enter; and what is within may it never go out; the little obtained, may he be deprived of it; and let him never obtain justice from the sovereign nor from the people.
There is also a blessing, something like If we keep and observe this covenant, may this cause us to live long and happy with our wives and our children; may we be approved by the sovereign, and beloved by the people; may we get money, may we obtain property and cattle. May we marry wives, may we have good robes, and wear a good piece of cloth on our bodies, since, amidst our toils and labor, these are the things we seek after.
The Blood Covenant in the Bible
1 Sam 18:1-4
18:1 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul .
2 And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home to his father's house.
3 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul .
4 And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.
KJV
Stay tuned!
More to come that will get us into the NT.
Didn't take long did it?Yeah I think it is rather odd. The nice thing about the truth is it is consistant. I never worry bout what I say and it seems to be very consistant. With out a quote it will be routinely denied. And besides that was yesterday and has nothing to with today.
Isn't it interesting that JohnRabbit says we're inbetween covenants at the moment, thus without any law? He'll probably trip himself up. Just give him some time.
Be glad to.
Starting with a little background on Blood Covenants.
Most people are acquainted with the name Dr. Livingstone. He was a missionary to Africa in the 1800s.
He traveled extensively through Africa among primitive tribes. He traveled safely because of blood covenants that he had entered into. One of those blood covenants was with Queen Manenko of the Balonda tribes. Both had representatives in the ceremony.
The hands of the parties are joined, small incisions made on the clasped hands, on the pit of the stomachs of each as we as the right checks and foreheads. A small quantity of blood is taken from these points on each participant by means of a grass stalk.
The blood from each is put into separate pots of beer and each drinks the others blood. They are supposed to become perpetual friends or relations. Then different actions and the uttering of sentences were done ratifying the treaty. For instance if one tribe decided to attack the other the parties of the covenant made were obligated to warn the other so they could escape. The exchange of valuable presents were also done.
There was generally curse made, something like If either of us retract from the terms of this oath, let him instantly become a fool, let him instantly become blind, let this covenant become a curse to him; let him not be a human being; let there be no heir to inherit after him, but let him be reduced, and float with the water never to see it source; let him never obtain; what is out of doors, may it never enter; and what is within may it never go out; the little obtained, may he be deprived of it; and let him never obtain justice from the sovereign nor from the people.
There is also a blessing, something like If we keep and observe this covenant, may this cause us to live long and happy with our wives and our children; may we be approved by the sovereign, and beloved by the people; may we get money, may we obtain property and cattle. May we marry wives, may we have good robes, and wear a good piece of cloth on our bodies, since, amidst our toils and labor, these are the things we seek after.
The Blood Covenant in the Bible
1 Sam 18:1-4
18:1 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul .
2 And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home to his father's house.
3 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul .
4 And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.
KJV
Stay tuned!
More to come that will get us into the NT.
So are you contending that the actions of the COI is the reason for the levitical law concerning sacrifice and that they weren't in the original plan of God?
So if I read you correctly you're saying that these other laws came through angels and not from God. If this is so what do phrases like the Lord called to Moses...speak to the COI, the Lord said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the COI, ...and the Lord spake unto me, etc, mean? These phrases are all over the Torah/Pentateuch. Normally you refer to angels as messengers. I take it that Moses performed this office and task in the Pentateuch. Ah but it says angels (plural). Well from your stand point I guess that we would conclude that the law came through multiple sources, that is other than Moses. If you wish to to pursue that; it is your burden of proof, not mine. No proof no deal.
Again are you implying that these transgressions are only the COI's? I also would like you to explain how either Eph 3:19 or Rom 4:15 specify ceremonial laws being added. I don't find any division of law in those verses or any around them.
Whoops. Seems to contradict your personal statement just before the quoted verses.
Which commandments? The 10? How? They haven't been issued yet. I considered placing this stament after the followin in your post, but the 10 aaren't mentioned in those references either. So do we have a definitions problem or just and ID problem?
Yeah I'm hanging in there. But I hope that you will deal with what I brought up at some point. So you can still can continue stating your case and then counter these points.
