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[JohnRabbit]

OK I await for your ground rules. Make sure to tell me when you have covered them. And it might be helpful if when they are all laid down that you would list all the posts where they could be found in this thread. Thanks

Just in passing are your saying that the 10 commandments aren't in or part of the first covenant? I'm sure that the levitical prieshood will come up as that is one of the things that are done away with in the law.

I will pass about your lawless comment for the time being. I'm sure that it will come up again. I'm trying hard to allow you to say your peice.

the covenants, i listed in post #32, are not meant to be a definitive list, in the sense that some of those covenants could be broken down further.

we are concentrating on the mosaic or old covenant for this discussion.

the old covenant was an agreement between God and the children of israel.

Exodus 19:5-6 ( NKJV ) 5Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall

be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine. 6And you shall be to Me a kingdom of

priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.”

israel was to obey God, (like a wife is to obey her husband eph 5: 22-23). and of course, God filled the role as husband, being provider and protector (jer 31: 32).

it was a marriage relationship, just like the new covenant is based on a marriage relationship!

and then, God gave israel His law. it is this law that is a barrier between me and thee. but, we are fixin' to work all of that out.

at sinai, God gave israel the ten commandments (ex 19), which were written by God Himself, and He also gave the statutes and the judgements (ex 21-23), and he also allowed for the ministration of death (ex 21:12).

none of the sacrificial parts of the law were given at that time (jer 7:22). the sacrificial laws were added later (ex 40:2,17; gal 3:19)!

with me so far?

 

[Frogster]

if this is all you have to contribute, then i request that you leave this thread.

Unnecessary roughness, ten yard penalty! Why say that to him? Dude...

 

[RABBIT-HUNTER]

the old covenant ended when God divorced the COI.

we are in between covenants at this point in time heb 8:13.

the new covenant has not been made yet!


Revelation 19:7 ( NKJV ) 7Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.”

the nc will be established at the return of Christ!

remember that the old covenant was a marriage relationship with God and the COI.

in like manner, the new covenant is based on the same type of relationship.

nevertheless, the Christ did come and intimated the terms and conditions of the new covenant, and we as christians are to live under those terms and conditions.

How can you say it was not made yet? How could Paul call himself a minister of the New Covenant, in present tense terms?

2nd Corinthians 3:6
who has made us competent to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.


And what covennant, were they partaking of here?


1 Corinthians 11:25-26
In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

Thanks, Alex.

 

[Frogster]

How can you say it was not made yet? How could Paul call himself a minister of the New Covenant, in present tense terms?

2nd Corinthians 3:6
who has made us competent to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.


And what covennant, were they partaking of here?


1 Corinthians 11:25-26
In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

Thanks, Alex.

just what I thought.

 

[from scratch]

Yes, Paul gave timelines, in Rom 5, and Gal 3. Some Christians don't seem to know the seed came. Nice to meet you also, I'm looking foward to this thread. Thanks, Alex.

Well Alex please don't leave those who don't know wondering. You can tell us what you know.

 

[from scratch]

you won't get it from me, i don't know nothing about renewing no covenants.

honest!

Well then what covenant are we subject to? I think you said we're between covenants. Wouldn't that mean we have no covenant? I guess then that since there is no law we can really do anything with no repercussion.

I really am interested in being educated on the first covenant that I don't understand. Do you have more basic ground rules or foundation you need to put down? Just very anxious. Please don't get to bogged down in the other stuff (whatever that is).

 

[from scratch]

who teaches that?

Doesn't what I call the law pusher teach that?

 

[from scratch]

thanks, scratch.

you're a "stand-up" guy.

yes, in passing i'm saying the ten commandments are part of the new covenant.

Mucho interestin'. Since it isn't part of the first covenant, I can't wiat till it comes up. Itchy fingers.

 

[from scratch]

the ten commandments were nailed to the cross, Jesus replaced them.

JohnRabbit's headache. Ya knows Ias agrees wid ja. Good point though. I thought wabbit said they were a part of the NC but then he also said we're between covenants -meaning we curently have no covenant - really infact lawless. Then he says we are lawless if we don't obey the 10 commandments. Hmmm! Interesting indeed. Now Ias really mussed up. Is we a cummin' or a goin or a floatin round?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

JohnRabbit's headache. Ya knows Ias agrees wid ja. Good point though. I thought wabbit said they were a part of the NC but then he also said we're between covenants -meaning we curently have no covenant - really infact lawless. Then he says we are lawless if we don't obey the 10 commandments. Hmmm! Interesting indeed. Now Ias really mussed up. Is we a cummin' or a goin or a floatin round?

well if he wants to preach another gospel, Paul instructs us to let him .

let him anathema maranatha that is .

 

[from scratch]

the covenants, i listed in post #32, are not meant to be a definitive list, in the sense that some of those covenants could be broken down further.

OK but which one is or was the first one that you said I don't understand?

we are concentrating on the mosaic or old covenant for this discussion.

Ah great that is what I thougth we're going to talk about? I think that puts us on the same page, I think. I'm not sure what you call the Mosaic covenant.But continue, please.

the old covenant was an agreement between God and the children of israel.

Exodus 19:5-6 ( NKJV ) 5Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall

be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine. 6And you shall be to Me a kingdom of

priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.”

Is this what the old covenant is? I understand by you previously stated definition that this seems to fit. Or is there more?

israel was to obey God, (like a wife is to obey her husband eph 5: 22-23). and of course, God filled the role as husband, being provider and protector (jer 31: 32).

it was a marriage relationship, just like the new covenant is based on a marriage relationship!

and then, God gave israel His law. it is this law that is a barrier between me and thee. but, we are fixin' to work all of that out.

So would that be like the rules of a husband that a wife is to obey? Of course I'm using your illustation of the covenant.

at sinai, God gave israel the ten commandments (ex 19), which were written by God Himself, and He also gave the statutes and the judgements (ex 21-23), and he also allowed for the ministration of death (ex 21:12).

none of the sacrificial parts of the law were given at that time (jer 7:22). the sacrificial laws were added later (ex 40:2,17; gal 3:19)!

So where were they when the sacrificial laws laws were added.? But I always though sacrifice was amajor part of worshipping God already Per the Garden, Abel and Cain, Abraham etc.

with me so far?

Kinda as you can tell by my comments. But I follow ya pretty well.

 

[from scratch]

just what I thought.

I'm wondering how JohnRabbit will handle that too.

 

[Frogster]

I'm wondering how JohnRabbit will handle that too.

the long dark night of the soul.

 

[Frogster]

the old covenant ended when God divorced the COI.

we are in between covenants at this point in time heb 8:13.

the new covenant has not been made yet!

it has been made he obtained eternal redemption..

12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption

More...

15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

Done!

Revelation 19:7 ( NKJV ) 7Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.”

the nc will be established at the return of Christ!

Then Paul was lying, when he said he ministers the new cov.

remember that the old covenant was a marriage relationship with God and the COI.

in like manner, the new covenant is based on the same type of relationship.

nevertheless, the Christ did come and intimated the terms and conditions of the new covenant, and we as christians are to live under those terms and conditions.

This last line was a wopper!

 

[JohnRabbit]

[/COLOR]OK but which one is or was the first one that you said I don't understand? Ah great that is what I thougth we're going to talk about? I think that puts us on the same page, I think. I'm not sure what you call the Mosaic covenant.But continue, please. Is this what the old covenant is? I understand by you previously stated definition that this seems to fit. Or is there more?So would that be like the rules of a husband that a wife is to obey? Of course I'm using your illustation of the covenant.So where were they when the sacrificial laws laws were added.? But I always though sacrifice was amajor part of worshipping God already Per the Garden, Abel and Cain, Abraham etc.Kinda as you can tell by my comments. But I follow ya pretty well.

that may be true, but, we're talking about the old covenant, and what does jer 31:32 say?

i posted this verse earlier when i laid some things out, guess you guys read what you want to.

 

[JohnRabbit]

it has been made he obtained eternal redemption..

12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption

More...

15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

Done!Then Paul was lying, when he said he ministers the new cov.

This last line was a wopper!

you're dead to me until you answer my questions, tired of playing your silly little games!

 

[from scratch]

that may be true, but, we're talking about the old covenant, and what does jer 31:32 say?

i posted this verse earlier when i laid some things out, guess you guys read what you want to.

OK I'll go back and look. That was days ago. It didn't seem to stick. You notice that we often repeat ourselves. It is not because we're harping, but because we know we forget and understand that most won't go back and look. So we try and be nice and include the information again and again. It is a convience thing we do for those we're talking to and the lurker we know that is there who wouldn''t understand.

 

[from scratch]

it has been made he obtained eternal redemption..

12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption

More...

15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

Done!Then Paul was lying, when he said he ministers the new cov.

This last line was a wopper!

What is JohnRabbit eating at bugger king again? I agree considering his op remarks in the post. Sure seems contradictory to me.

 

[Frogster]

you're dead to me until you answer my questions, tired of playing your silly little games!

Facts are here, from me and others. You're actually saying that the new cov has not began!

Paul was a new cov minister, they were partaking of it in Corinth, Jesus is mediating it NOW, are sins are already remissed NOW...

Here is the first...

9:1 Now even the first covenant had regulations for worship and an earthly place of holiness.

Stay with me..securing...something done....

12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.


Now he is....is...present tense...is...

15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

See the eternal word yet, form 12 also....

 

[Frogster]

What is JohnRabbit eating at bugger king again? I agree considering his op remarks in the post. Sure seems contradictory to me.

no one..repeat, no one..thinks the new cov has not began,,,,no one....

Only here, on CF...