Been told

[yedida]

By the way, if you can show me one verse, using NT Abraham, to support Messianic Judaism, it would be appreciated. Thanks!

Hi Frogster,
I am just now seeing this, I wasn't ignoring it.
But I've come to realize that this is a sub-forum of GT (which is where I meant to go originally). I don't think I'm allowed to "debate" or "teach" in the sub-forums so I apologize for previous postings and respectfully decline to continue.
Be blessed in your endeavors and shalom.

 

[YosemiteSam]

to continue from post #92

God gave the COI the calendar while they were still in egypt (ex 12:2).

then he instituted the passover which was tied to the tenth plague that was placed on the egyptians (ex 12:3-13).

after that the Feast of Unleavened Bread:

Exodus 12:14-16 ( NKJV ) 14‘So this day shall be to you a memorial; and you shall keep it as a feast to the Lord throughout your generations. You shall keep it as a feast by an everlasting ordinance. 15Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day you shall remove leaven from your houses. For whoever eats leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that person shall be cut off from Israel. 16On the first day there shall be a holy convocation, and on the seventh day there shall be a holy convocation for you. No manner of work shall be done on them; but that which everyone must eat—that only may be prepared by you.

he gave the passover that was to point to the Christ and then a feast of seven days followed. during the feast days the first day of the feast and the seventh day of the feast was a sabbath.

it is interesting that God gives them sabbath commands while they were still in egypt.

in ex 15, notice:

Exodus 15:26 ( NKJV ) 26and said, “If you diligently heed the voice of the Lord your God and do what is right in His sight, give ear to His commandments and keep all His statutes, I will put none of the diseases on you which I have brought on the Egyptians. For I am the Lord who heals you.”

three days after leaving the red sea, the bible shows clearly that the Lord had commandments and statutes before sinai, (also gen 26:5).

Exodus 16:1 ( NKJV ) 1And they journeyed from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came to the Wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after they departed from the land of Egypt.

a month and a half later God says this to them:

Exodus 16:4-5 ( NKJV ) 4Then the Lord said to Moses, “Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you. And the people shall go out and gather a certain quota every day, that I may test them, whether they will walk in My law or not. 5And it shall be on the sixth day that they shall prepare what they bring in, and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.”

it is pretty clear that God had law before sinai, this is a fact that cannot be disputed.

now let's look a little closer:

Exodus 16:23 ( NKJV ) 23Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.’”

here, before the COI gets to mt. sinai, God reveals His Sabbath to them. the sabbath existed way before sinai (gen 2:2-3). another fact that cannot be refuted!

Exodus 16:25-30 ( NKJV ) 25Then Moses said, “Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. 26Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.”

27Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. 28And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? 29See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” 30So the people rested on the seventh day

will continue, have to go watch the president's speech.

Interesting post, johnrabbit...I think I will print out all the laws so I can better review them... Man, that took up some real-estate.

It seems to me from your post that you are suggesting that the nation of Israel were under the tenets of the covenant before leaving Egypt. I particularly like that you showed that Israel kept the passover and the days of unleavened bread while still in egypt. That is important as it really gives us a time period or season when they left egypt.

I did take note of something when reviewing the book of Genesis. God was not working with a nation but a particular family. It is interesting in the story of the sacrifice of Isaac. A careful look at the story, it shows Isaac asking his father..."...where is the lamb for the burnt offering?". The point here is that it was not the first time that Abraham offered a burnt offering to the Lord. Obviously, it was common practice in Abraham's household. Something that his son learned from his father worshiping God. About 500 - 600 years before the covenant at Mt. Sinai. Hmmm?

Interesting!

 

[JohnRabbit]

to continue from post #92

God gave the COI the calendar while they were still in egypt (ex 12:2).

then he instituted the passover which was tied to the tenth plague that was placed on the egyptians (ex 12:3-13).

after that the Feast of Unleavened Bread:

Exodus 12:14-16 ( NKJV ) 14‘So this day shall be to you a memorial; and you shall keep it as a feast to the Lord throughout your generations. You shall keep it as a feast by an everlasting ordinance. 15Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day you shall remove leaven from your houses. For whoever eats leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that person shall be cut off from Israel. 16On the first day there shall be a holy convocation, and on the seventh day there shall be a holy convocation for you. No manner of work shall be done on them; but that which everyone must eat—that only may be prepared by you.

he gave the passover that was to point to the Christ and then a feast of seven days followed. during the feast days the first day of the feast and the seventh day of the feast was a sabbath.

it is interesting that God gives them sabbath commands while they were still in egypt.

in ex 15, notice:

Exodus 15:26 ( NKJV ) 26and said, “If you diligently heed the voice of the Lord your God and do what is right in His sight, give ear to His commandments and keep all His statutes, I will put none of the diseases on you which I have brought on the Egyptians. For I am the Lord who heals you.”

three days after leaving the red sea, the bible shows clearly that the Lord had commandments and statutes before sinai, (also gen 26:5).

Exodus 16:1 ( NKJV ) 1And they journeyed from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came to the Wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after they departed from the land of Egypt.

a month and a half later God says this to them:

Exodus 16:4-5 ( NKJV ) 4Then the Lord said to Moses, “Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you. And the people shall go out and gather a certain quota every day, that I may test them, whether they will walk in My law or not. 5And it shall be on the sixth day that they shall prepare what they bring in, and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.”

it is pretty clear that God had law before sinai, this is a fact that cannot be disputed.

now let's look a little closer:

Exodus 16:23 ( NKJV ) 23Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.’”

here, before the COI gets to mt. sinai, God reveals His Sabbath to them. the sabbath existed way before sinai (gen 2:2-3). another fact that cannot be refuted!

Exodus 16:25-30 ( NKJV ) 25Then Moses said, “Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. 26Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.”

27Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. 28And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? 29See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” 30So the people rested on the seventh day

will continue, have to go watch the president's speech.

(continue)

thanks to YS, for your insight.

it's interesting that God says "whether they will walk in My law".

the law expresses God's ways!

Exodus 18:13-23 ( NKJV ) 13And so it was, on the next day, that Moses sat to judge the people; and the people stood before Moses from morning until evening. 14So when Moses’ father-in-law saw all that he did for the people, he said, “What is this thing that you are doing for the people? Why do you alone sit, and all the people stand before you from morning until evening?”

15And Moses said to his father-in-law, “Because the people come to me to inquire of God. 16When they have a difficulty, they come to me, and I judge between one and another; and I make known the statutes of God and His laws.”

17So Moses’ father-in-law said to him, “The thing that you do is not good. 18Both you and these people who are with you will surely wear yourselves out. For this thing is too much for you; you are not able to perform it by yourself. 19Listen now to my voice; I will give you counsel, and God will be with you: Stand before God for the people, so that you may bring the difficulties to God. 20And you shall teach them the statutes and the laws, and show them the way in which they must walk and the work they must do. 21Moreover you shall select from all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness;

this is interesting, to teach them to walk in the ways of God, after His statutes and judgements, and what about paul learning from the law?

Romans 7:7 ( NKJV ) 7What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

interesting indeed! paul says that he would not have known covetousness but for the law, and here we have jethro telling moses to pick men that "such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness".

men of truth, and hating covetousness! wonder how jethro knew about covetousness, but i'm sure scratch and frog have answers for this.

no matter, i'll answer for you. there was law before sinai and the proof is in the bible.

now continue,

and place such over them to be rulers of thousands, rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens. 22And let them judge the people at all times. Then it will be that every great matter they shall bring to you, but every small matter they themselves shall judge. So it will be easier for you, for they will bear the burden with you. 23If you do this thing, and God so commands you, then you will be able to endure, and all this people will also go to their place in peace.”

after the COI left rephidim, they reached sinai. the COI was already living under the terms and conditions of the covenant, for three months, by the time they reached sinai (ex 19:10). just like the christian today is living by the terms and conditions of the new covenant.

three days after the COI reached sinai, God gave them the covenant, entered into a marriage arrangement with them.

God discussed the details of the covenant agreement (ex 19). and then spoke the covenant to them (ex 19 -23).

God gave the COI the moral law (ex 20), the law that, if broken, constitutes sin (1jn 3:4).

then, the statutes and the judgments (ex 21-23).

 

[JohnRabbit]

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stat·ute (from dictionary.com)
[stach-oot, -oot]
–noun
1.
Law .
a.
an enactment made by a legislature and expressed in a formal document.
b.
the document in which such an enactment is expressed.
2.
International Law . an instrument annexed or subsidiary to an international agreement, as a treaty.
3.
a permanent rule established by an organization, corporation, etc., to govern its internal affairs.

judg·ment
[juhj-muhnt]
–noun
1.
an act or instance of judging.
2.
the ability to judge, make a decision, or form an opinion objectively, authoritatively, and wisely, esp. in matters affecting action; good sense; discretion: a man of sound judgment.
3.
the demonstration or exercise of such ability or capacity: The major was decorated for the judgment he showed under fire.
4.
the forming of an opinion, estimate, notion, or conclusion, as from circumstances presented to the mind: Our judgment as to the cause of his failure must rest on the evidence.
5.
the opinion formed: He regretted his hasty judgment.
6.
Law .
a.
a judicial decision given by a judge or court.
b.
the obligation, esp. a debt, arising from a judicial decision.
c.
the certificate embodying such a decision and issued against the obligor, esp. a debtor.
7.
a misfortune regarded as inflicted by divine sentence, as for sin.
8.
( usually initial capital letter ) Also called Last Judgment, Final Judgment. the final trial of all people, both the living and dead, at the end of the world.

so with ten commandments, God gave them statues and judgments, that expounded the principles of the ten commandments, that put it's everyday application into practical living.

also of note, God says of the fourth commandment, "remember the sabbath" and by the belief of some in this forum, this statement can't make sense.

you have to know about something before you can remember it! and it's been shown that they knew (ex 12, 16)!

 

[Frogster]

Hi Frogster,
I am just now seeing this, I wasn't ignoring it.
But I've come to realize that this is a sub-forum of GT (which is where I meant to go originally). I don't think I'm allowed to "debate" or "teach" in the sub-forums so I apologize for previous postings and respectfully decline to continue.
Be blessed in your endeavors and shalom.

ok.

 

[Frogster]

(continue)

stat·ute (from dictionary.com)
[stach-oot, -oot]
–noun
1.
Law .
a.
an enactment made by a legislature and expressed in a formal document.
b.
the document in which such an enactment is expressed.
2.
International Law . an instrument annexed or subsidiary to an international agreement, as a treaty.
3.
a permanent rule established by an organization, corporation, etc., to govern its internal affairs.

judg·ment
[juhj-muhnt]
–noun
1.
an act or instance of judging.
2.
the ability to judge, make a decision, or form an opinion objectively, authoritatively, and wisely, esp. in matters affecting action; good sense; discretion: a man of sound judgment.
3.
the demonstration or exercise of such ability or capacity: The major was decorated for the judgment he showed under fire.
4.
the forming of an opinion, estimate, notion, or conclusion, as from circumstances presented to the mind: Our judgment as to the cause of his failure must rest on the evidence.
5.
the opinion formed: He regretted his hasty judgment.
6.
Law .
a.
a judicial decision given by a judge or court.
b.
the obligation, esp. a debt, arising from a judicial decision.
c.
the certificate embodying such a decision and issued against the obligor, esp. a debtor.
7.
a misfortune regarded as inflicted by divine sentence, as for sin.
8.
( usually initial capital letter ) Also called Last Judgment, Final Judgment. the final trial of all people, both the living and dead, at the end of the world.

so with ten commandments, God gave them statues and judgments, that expounded the principles of the ten commandments, that put it's everyday application into practical living.

also of note, God says of the fourth commandment, "remember the sabbath" and by the belief of some in this forum, this statement can't make sense.

you have to know about something before you can remember it! and it's been shown that they knew (ex 12, 16)!

glad you posted all that. Do you see now, why paul said that whole system is over, and it was bondage, and a ministry of death and condemnation?

Why was it not permanent, that on stone?

7 Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses' face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory? 9 For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory. 10 Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it. 11 For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory.

 

[YosemiteSam]

glad you posted all that. Do you see now, why paul said that whole system is over, and it was bondage, and a ministry of death and condemnation?

Why was it not permanent, that on stone?

7 Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses' face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory? 9 For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory. 10 Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it. 11 For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory.

So were they keeping the ten commandments before Mt. Sinai?

 

[from scratch]

So were they keeping the ten commandments before Mt. Sinai?

Beats me. How can you keep something that isn't in existence yet. I think the problem is your definition and useage of the word commandment.

Moses did say that the 10 were given to no one else before in the history of the planet in Deut 5:2-3 - The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.3The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

 

[JohnRabbit]

So were they keeping the ten commandments before Mt. Sinai?

you think he's going to answer your question?

 

[JohnRabbit]

Beats me. How can you keep something that isn't in existence yet. I think the problem is your definition and useage of the word commandment.

Moses did say that the 10 were given to no one else before in the history of the planet in Deut 5:2-3 - The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.3The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

this is probably one of the weakest responese i've seen from you.

How can you keep something that isn't in existence yet?

you've gotta be kidding me.

 

[Frogster]

So were they keeping the ten commandments before Mt. Sinai?

don't even try the abe argument, that would totally overthrow paul's argument in galatians.

when does the bible say the law was added?

you remember, a trumpet, a mountain, DOOM AND GLOOM.....

 

[Frogster]

Just so my fine feathered friends know, sin was in the world before the law..

But the point of 5:13, was to prove federal headship.

EVERYONE KNOWS SIN WAS IN THE WORLD, EVEN WHEN MAN WAS UNAWRE OF THE LAW...

Paul was talking 5;13, just to show that it was not because of personal imputation that sin spread..he was showing that all sinned in Adam, he was setting the stage for the rest of 5...

DANG!

Paaaalease, can I talk with a contextually, historically minded person!?

 

[DanuckInUSA]

lol mmmmm contextually.

 

[Frogster]

lol mmmmm contextually.

 

[from scratch]

this is probably one of the weakest responese i've seen from you.

How can you keep something that isn't in existence yet?

you've gotta be kidding me.

No I'm not kidding one bit. What does Deut 5:1-5 say? I quoted most of it to you. If that isn't an indication that the 10 commandments didn't exist before Mt.Siani? Moses must be saying something that isn't true. I need an explaination with Scripture to change my mind. I'm very interested in your explaination. So lets have it.

Rest assured this is the same response I have always given. It is yet to be answered with any Scripture from anybody on the forum. If it is indeed weak you must have a very successful counter. What is it? As far as weak goes I'm trying very hard to not be reported. Setting out for a month is not my idea of fun or pleasure.

 

[yedida]

No I'm not kidding one bit. What does Deut 5:1-5 say? I quoted most of it to you. If that isn't an indication that the 10 commandments didn't exist before Mt.Siani? Moses must be saying something that isn't true. I need an explaination with Scripture to change my mind. I'm very interested in your explaination. So lets have it.

Rest assured this is the same response I have always given. It is yet to be answered with any Scripture from anybody on the forum. If it is indeed weak you must have a very successful counter. What is it? As far as weak goes I'm trying very hard to not be reported. Setting out for a month is not my idea of fun or pleasure.

You asked for scripture, so here are a few.

Sometimes one must take what's inferred on face value. The commands, judgments and statutes are not given a name but I do believe that it's reasonable they sounded VERY much like the Decalogue that He wrote Himself.
Gen 22:18 and by your descendants all the nations of the earth will be blessed — because you obeyed my order."

Jos 22:2 and said to them, "You have done everything Moshe the servant of Adonai ordered you to do and heeded what I said in all the orders I gave you.

Gen 26:5 All this is because Avraham heeded what I said and did what I told him to do — he followed my mitzvot, my regulations and my teachings."
(Mitzvot is Hebrew word for commands.)

By what/whose standard?
Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of `Utz whose name was Iyov. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil.

A Priest of the Most High?
Gen 14:18 Malki-Tzedek king of Shalem brought out bread and wine. He was cohen of El `Elyon [God Most High],
I'm sure much of the commands, judgments and statutes that Abraham had taught to Isaac who taught them to Jacob got lost in the 400 years in Egypt so much of it at Mt. Sinai was new the children of Israel.

(In case you don't like the CJB renderings
Gen 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
Jos 22:2 And said unto them, Ye have kept all that Moses the servant of the LORD commanded you, and have obeyed my voice in all that I commanded you:
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

 

[from scratch]

You asked for scripture, so here are a few.

Sometimes one must take what's inferred on face value. The commands, judgments and statutes are not given a name but I do believe that it's reasonable they sounded VERY much like the Decalogue that He wrote Himself.
Gen 22:18 and by your descendants all the nations of the earth will be blessed — because you obeyed my order."

Jos 22:2 and said to them, "You have done everything Moshe the servant of Adonai ordered you to do and heeded what I said in all the orders I gave you.

Gen 26:5 All this is because Avraham heeded what I said and did what I told him to do — he followed my mitzvot, my regulations and my teachings."
(Mitzvot is Hebrew word for commands.)

By what/whose standard?
Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of `Utz whose name was Iyov. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil.

A Priest of the Most High?
Gen 14:18 Malki-Tzedek king of Shalem brought out bread and wine. He was cohen of El `Elyon [God Most High],
I'm sure much of the commands, judgments and statutes that Abraham had taught to Isaac who taught them to Jacob got lost in the 400 years in Egypt so much of it at Mt. Sinai was new the children of Israel.

(In case you don't like the CJB renderings
Gen 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
Jos 22:2 And said unto them, Ye have kept all that Moses the servant of the LORD commanded you, and have obeyed my voice in all that I commanded you:
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

Would you care to give us your definition of mitzvot? I see you have included to versions of each reference. Very nice touch. I think that mitzvot and commandments are the same thing. So what exactly are they. I have had this naggin question for years. Are they the 10 commandments? If so how do you support that? Inquiring minds wish to know.

 

[Frogster]

You asked for scripture, so here are a few.

Sometimes one must take what's inferred on face value. The commands, judgments and statutes are not given a name but I do believe that it's reasonable they sounded VERY much like the Decalogue that He wrote Himself.
Gen 22:18 and by your descendants all the nations of the earth will be blessed — because you obeyed my order."

Jos 22:2 and said to them, "You have done everything Moshe the servant of Adonai ordered you to do and heeded what I said in all the orders I gave you.

Gen 26:5 All this is because Avraham heeded what I said and did what I told him to do — he followed my mitzvot, my regulations and my teachings."
(Mitzvot is Hebrew word for commands.)

By what/whose standard?
Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of `Utz whose name was Iyov. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil.

A Priest of the Most High?
Gen 14:18 Malki-Tzedek king of Shalem brought out bread and wine. He was cohen of El `Elyon [God Most High],
I'm sure much of the commands, judgments and statutes that Abraham had taught to Isaac who taught them to Jacob got lost in the 400 years in Egypt so much of it at Mt. Sinai was new the children of Israel.

(In case you don't like the CJB renderings
Gen 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
Jos 22:2 And said unto them, Ye have kept all that Moses the servant of the LORD commanded you, and have obeyed my voice in all that I commanded you:
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

Forgive me, but it is as though some are looking at last weeks weather. Salvation history unfolded.

They were all still a part of the Adamic creation, and no works, could lift one out of that era, or dimension. All dead in Adam.

Now, Paul, who knew the bible better than you, with all due respect, said no one, was justified by law, because obviously, that would mean that they were able, to raise themselves, from the dead, from the reign of sin and death. Impossible!

It was the ONE man, not the many.

18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. 19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.

No one could get out of sins dominion, reign by self effort, by law.


21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[from scratch]

You asked for scripture, so here are a few.

Sometimes one must take what's inferred on face value. The commands, judgments and statutes are not given a name but I do believe that it's reasonable they sounded VERY much like the Decalogue that He wrote Himself.

I got excited about the Scriptures I saw and forgot about this opening comment altogether. Whoops So I had to come back to it. What I see is a stated assumption: it's reasonable the sounded VERY much like the Decalogue the He wrote Himself. So if you can show where this is so or even what makes you think such I would appreaciate it. It is like you're playing with blank cards that you get to put Ace of Spades and Ace of Hearts on to go with the Ace of Clubs and making it hard with that Ace of Diamonds. I guess that you also have the King of Spades to round out the hand. I wanna see this!!

You must deal with this Scripture Gal 3:19 - Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. The highlighted show that what we call the law was for a specific period of time. The word added would be more in line with annexed. An annex is never the main building. It is also not built at the same time as the main building. Till shows a termination.

 

[from scratch]

Yedida I'm am very interested i n what you have to say about Deut 5:1-5.