I am not a Catholic but I believe individuals in the Catholic church can be saved and go to heaven but like everyone else they must be born again. My question to the Catholics here is ,do you honor the salvation of all believers i.e prostestants and do u believe that we will be with you all in paradise wheather Baptist, Pentacostal, or whatever if we confess Jesus as Lord but do not believe in the Catholic way. Thanks
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I don't know what you mean about "honor the salvation of all believers". Since we make no definitive judgement on someones eternal destiny, how can we honor something we do not know with certainty?. But if you are asking if Protestants can go to heaven, the answer is, yes.
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I believe Protestants can be saved, just like you believe Catholics can be saved.mixster said:
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There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.
Does that mean that non-Catholics can still be saved? Certaintly.
I'm not sure what you mean by honoring salvation. I would love to see everybody make it into Heaven: Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Muslims, but it is not up for me to decide.
Salvation is a life-long process. It is not just one single moment in time when we suddenly gain salvation. We can lose our salvation if we are not careful. Scriputure makes this obvious:
Matt. 7:18 - Jesus says that sound trees bear good fruit. But there is no guarantee that a sound tree will stay sound. It could go rotten.
Matt. 7:21 - all those who say "Lord, Lord" on the last day will not be saved. They are judged by their evil deeds.
Matt. 12:30-32 - Jesus says that he who is not with Him is against Him, therefore (the Greek for "therefore" is "dia toutos" which means "through this") blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. This means that failing to persevere in Jesus' grace to the end is the unforgivable sin against the Spirit. We must persevere in faith to the end of our lives.
Matt. 22:14 - Jesus says many are called but few are chosen. This man, who was destined to grace, was at God's banquet, but was cast out.
Luke 8:13 - Jesus teaches that some people receive the word with joy, but they have no root, believe for a while, and then fall away in temptation. They had the faith but they lost it.
Luke 12:42-46 - we can start out as a faithful and wise steward, then fall away and be assigned to a place with the unfaithful.
Luke 15:11-32 in the parable of the prodigal son, we learn that we can be genuine sons of the Father, then leave home and die, then return and be described as "alive again."
John 6:70-71 - Jesus chose or elected twelve, yet one of them, Judas, fell. Not all those predestined to grace persevere to the end.
John 15:1-10 - we can be in Jesus (a branch on the vine), and then if we don't bear fruit, are cut off, wither up and die. Paul makes this absolutely clear in Rom. 11:20-23.
John 17:12 - we can be given to Jesus by the Father (predestined to grace) and yet not stay with Jesus, like Judas.
John 6:37 - those who continue to come to Jesus He won't cast out. But it's a continuous, ongoing action. We can leave Jesus and He will allow this because He respects our freewill.
John 6:39 - Jesus will not lose those the Father gives Him, but we can fall away, like Judas. God allows us not to persevere.
John 6:40 - everyone who sees the Son and believes means the person "continues" to believe. By continuing to believe, the person will persevere and will be raised up. Belief also includes obedience, which is more than an intellectual belief in God.
John 6:44 - Jesus says no one can come to me unless the Father "draws" him. This "drawing" is an ongoing process.
John 10:27-28 - when Jesus says, "no one shall snatch them out of my hands," He does not mean we can't leave His hands. We can choose to walk away from Him.
Rev. 2:4-5 Jesus tells the Ephesians that they abandoned the love they had at first and have fallen. Jesus warns them to repent and do the works they did at first, otherwise He will remove their lampstand (their awaited place in heaven).
Rev. 3:4 - in Sardis, Jesus explained that some people received the white garment and soiled it with sin.
Rev. 3:5 - Jesus says whoever conquers will not be blotted out of the book of life (see Exodus 32:33). This means that we can be blotted out of the book of life. We can have salvation, and then lose salvation by our choice.
Rev. 3:11 - Jesus says to hold fast to what we have, so that no one may seize our crown. Jesus teaches us that we can have the crown of salvation and lose it.
Rev. 13:10; 14:12 - we are called from heaven for the endurance and faith of the saints, keeping the commandments and faith.
Rev. 21:7 - we must conquer in order to share in our heritage and become a true son of Jesus.
Rev. 22:19 - we can have a share in the tree of life in God's holy city and yet have that share taken away from us.
Source: www.scriputrecatholic.com
Does that mean that non-Catholics can still be saved? Certaintly.
I'm not sure what you mean by honoring salvation. I would love to see everybody make it into Heaven: Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Muslims, but it is not up for me to decide.
Salvation is a life-long process. It is not just one single moment in time when we suddenly gain salvation. We can lose our salvation if we are not careful. Scriputure makes this obvious:
Matt. 7:18 - Jesus says that sound trees bear good fruit. But there is no guarantee that a sound tree will stay sound. It could go rotten.
Matt. 7:21 - all those who say "Lord, Lord" on the last day will not be saved. They are judged by their evil deeds.
Matt. 12:30-32 - Jesus says that he who is not with Him is against Him, therefore (the Greek for "therefore" is "dia toutos" which means "through this") blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. This means that failing to persevere in Jesus' grace to the end is the unforgivable sin against the Spirit. We must persevere in faith to the end of our lives.
Matt. 22:14 - Jesus says many are called but few are chosen. This man, who was destined to grace, was at God's banquet, but was cast out.
Luke 8:13 - Jesus teaches that some people receive the word with joy, but they have no root, believe for a while, and then fall away in temptation. They had the faith but they lost it.
Luke 12:42-46 - we can start out as a faithful and wise steward, then fall away and be assigned to a place with the unfaithful.
Luke 15:11-32 in the parable of the prodigal son, we learn that we can be genuine sons of the Father, then leave home and die, then return and be described as "alive again."
John 6:70-71 - Jesus chose or elected twelve, yet one of them, Judas, fell. Not all those predestined to grace persevere to the end.
John 15:1-10 - we can be in Jesus (a branch on the vine), and then if we don't bear fruit, are cut off, wither up and die. Paul makes this absolutely clear in Rom. 11:20-23.
John 17:12 - we can be given to Jesus by the Father (predestined to grace) and yet not stay with Jesus, like Judas.
John 6:37 - those who continue to come to Jesus He won't cast out. But it's a continuous, ongoing action. We can leave Jesus and He will allow this because He respects our freewill.
John 6:39 - Jesus will not lose those the Father gives Him, but we can fall away, like Judas. God allows us not to persevere.
John 6:40 - everyone who sees the Son and believes means the person "continues" to believe. By continuing to believe, the person will persevere and will be raised up. Belief also includes obedience, which is more than an intellectual belief in God.
John 6:44 - Jesus says no one can come to me unless the Father "draws" him. This "drawing" is an ongoing process.
John 10:27-28 - when Jesus says, "no one shall snatch them out of my hands," He does not mean we can't leave His hands. We can choose to walk away from Him.
Rev. 2:4-5 Jesus tells the Ephesians that they abandoned the love they had at first and have fallen. Jesus warns them to repent and do the works they did at first, otherwise He will remove their lampstand (their awaited place in heaven).
Rev. 3:4 - in Sardis, Jesus explained that some people received the white garment and soiled it with sin.
Rev. 3:5 - Jesus says whoever conquers will not be blotted out of the book of life (see Exodus 32:33). This means that we can be blotted out of the book of life. We can have salvation, and then lose salvation by our choice.
Rev. 3:11 - Jesus says to hold fast to what we have, so that no one may seize our crown. Jesus teaches us that we can have the crown of salvation and lose it.
Rev. 13:10; 14:12 - we are called from heaven for the endurance and faith of the saints, keeping the commandments and faith.
Rev. 21:7 - we must conquer in order to share in our heritage and become a true son of Jesus.
Rev. 22:19 - we can have a share in the tree of life in God's holy city and yet have that share taken away from us.
Source: www.scriputrecatholic.com
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Who belongs to the Catholic Church?
838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter." Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."
"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."
838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter." Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."
"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."
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I challenge you to investigate the claims of the Catholic Church, don't weeken chances of salvation on protestant assumptions.
Here you are on a website with loads of knowledgable people on Catholicism, if you just sit by here with this question on "salvation" just to make sure that if we happen to be right you are ok, then I certainly guess you are not coming closer to salvation, rather a step away.
Just my opinion.
Here you are on a website with loads of knowledgable people on Catholicism, if you just sit by here with this question on "salvation" just to make sure that if we happen to be right you are ok, then I certainly guess you are not coming closer to salvation, rather a step away.
Just my opinion.
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Yes, I believe I will see all of my friends, who believe that Jesus is thie savior, in heaven.
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I have a hard enough time worrying about whether or not I'll be saved, that I really have no time to worry about whether anyone else will be saved or not. It's God's call, not mine. Good thing too.
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Dominus Fidelis
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I hope to see all you Protestants there, just like I hope to see all Catholics there. The Catholic Church teaches that you are already part of the Her, by virtue of your baptism.
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mixster,
Whether or not I'm saved or you're saved is beyond me, for only God can make that call. And since I've got no idea if I'll go to Heaven, how on earth would I know if you're going there too?
What is so ironic is that we're not 'out there' trying to convert anyone. We cannot make that decision for anyone else, but so many people target us and use our Faith as the base to target accusations about why we are wrong, to prove why they are right. Christ told us to love one another, but there seems to be a multidenominational view of "hate the catholics" , breaking Christ's 2nd commandment.
Whether or not I'm saved or you're saved is beyond me, for only God can make that call. And since I've got no idea if I'll go to Heaven, how on earth would I know if you're going there too?
What is so ironic is that we're not 'out there' trying to convert anyone. We cannot make that decision for anyone else, but so many people target us and use our Faith as the base to target accusations about why we are wrong, to prove why they are right. Christ told us to love one another, but there seems to be a multidenominational view of "hate the catholics" , breaking Christ's 2nd commandment.
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If you've repented and asked Jesus to forgive you of your sins & asked Him to be the Lord & Savior of your life then you don't need to worry. Romans 10:9 & 10. 
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And only the people who have done just that are allowed into Heaven. Sounds to me as if there is no salvation outside of that particular Church.Jesusfan4ever said:If you've repented and asked Jesus to forgive you of your sins & asked Him to be the Lord & Savior of your life then you don't need to worry. Romans 10:9 & 10.
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Jesusfan4ever said:If you've repented and asked Jesus to forgive you of your sins & asked Him to be the Lord & Savior of your life then you don't need to worry. Romans 10:9 & 10.
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Jesusfan, please take a look at this site: http://www.scripturecatholic.com/salvation.html.
It goes beyond baseing one's entire faith on one passage taken out of context.
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Catholic's do not follow OSAS. As all above have stated, only God knows who is truly saved, it is not for us to judge. I highly doubt there is a Plaque at the Pearly Gates that states "NO Protestant's beyond this point"Jesusfan4ever said:If you've repented and asked Jesus to forgive you of your sins & asked Him to be the Lord & Savior of your life then you don't need to worry. Romans 10:9 & 10.
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We will all be judged accordingly for our sins so be all best be getting to repenting and confessing on a regular basis!
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Gwendolyn
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Who are we to presume to know the things that only the heart can know? Who are we to judge? We ought to leave judgement up to the One who is greater than us... He knows us intimately, right down to the very core of our being! Only God can decide, and I have complete faith that He knows what's right for all of us.
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I was going for 'spray and wash'... that's my ancient Chinese secret.geocajun said:
Guess I'll have to work on my delivery.Michelle
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