Battling the Mob, a Black Officer Came Face to Face With Racism

[Astrid]

No, you didn't get the sense right.

The problem is that 1.) he based his whole argument on their birth country, as if citizenship doesn't matter, and 2.) for three of the four, he got that home country detail wrong.

He treated these women as non-Americans despite the fact that three of them were born here and one was naturalized as a child. They're all Americans. They all have the right to hold the offices they hold. Three of them have the right to hold the office that he did. But he didn't see any of that, because they're not white.



That's not an invitation back.

He based it on the corrupt governments of their home countries.
If you want to go extra biblical and read between the lines,
go ahead, but admit you are doing it.

Whether he got details of citizenship wrong is irrelevant.

You did us the favour there of identifying the actual
source of the "racist" take on his admittedly crude and
stuoid words..

" He did not see...because they're not white".

That is your chosen take, beyond mere putting of words into anothers mouth
its putting perception, thoughts, motives into someone else's mind-
for the purpose of concocting something that is not
evident without " interpreting".

I've encountered plenty of racism. It never needed
remote viewing or telepsychiatry or "interpretation".
It was right there.

Now, personally, I think Trump is an appalling person,
grotesquely inappropriate for high office.

As for the motives and mindset of those who must
finding "racist" to add so unnecessarily to an already
bloated list of disqualifies, i won't offer to remote
view that.

 

[Tinker Grey]

if they were in the middle of a cross burning.

"They're just expressing the fire of God's love."

 

[iluvatar5150]

The whole problem there was you adding the "dark skinned" part, and you have no proof whatsoever he was even thinking that was a problem.

IOW, just as this always goes, and some could see it coming a mile away, you created a problem from nothing.

What do you think caused him to think they were from countries other than the US?

He based it on the corrupt governments of their home countries.

For three of the four, their home countries are the US.

If you want to go extra biblical and read between the lines,
go ahead, but admit you are doing it.

Whether he got details of citizenship wrong is irrelevant.

Not only is the citizenship error not irrelevant, it's a fundamental part of the issue.

Why didn't he think they were American? What clues pointed him in that direction?

You did us the favour there of identifying the actual source of the "racist" take on his admittedly crude and stuoid words..

" He did not see...because they're not white".

That is your chosen take, beyond mere putting of words into anothers mouth its putting perception, thoughts, motives into someone else's mind-for the purpose of concocting something that is not evident without " interpreting".

I've encountered plenty of racism. It never needed remote viewing or telepsychiatry or "interpretation". It was right there.

Now, personally, I think Trump is an appalling person, grotesquely inappropriate for high office.

As for the motives and mindset of those who must finding "racist" to add so unnecessarily to an already
bloated list of disqualifies, i won't offer to remote view that.

You're welcome to refute my point by highlighting similar claims on his part directed at light-skinned politicians that he (rightly or wrongly) believed to be from somewhere other than the US. He's said a lot of unkind things about Hillary, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, and a bunch of others - I don't recall the issue of birthplace coming up.

 

[Astrid]

What do you think caused him to think they were from countries other than the US?



For three of the four, their home countries are the US.



Not only is the citizenship error not irrelevant, it's a fundamental part of the issue.

Why didn't he think they were American? What clues pointed him in that direction?



You're welcome to refute my point by highlighting similar claims on his part directed at light-skinned politicians that he (rightly or wrongly) believed to be from somewhere other than the US. He's said a lot of unkind things about Hillary, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, and a bunch of others - I don't recall the issue of birthplace coming up.

As before, I will go with the plain text of what he said
and refrain from telepsychiatry.
The need to introduce such puts the lie to
any argument based on it.

 

[iluvatar5150]

As before, I will go with the plain text of what he said and refrain from telepsychiatry. The need to introduce such puts the lie to
any argument based on it.

Go for it. Work off the plain text of what he said and tell me how it's not racist.

 

[Astrid]

Go for it. Work off the plain text of what he said and tell me how it's not racist.

Cute. I'm not the one who says it is there, and I went over
that it refers to chaotic nations.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Cute. I'm not the one who says it is there, and I went over that it refers to chaotic nations.

Right - and you ignored the mapping of non-white individuals onto birthplaces that aren't America.

 

[SummerMadness]

There are some that pretend racism is a vacuum and seem to forget the former president pushed and fomented the racist lie that Obama was not born in the United States. That is a clear example of racism, but we can be cheeky and pretend as if that never happened. We could cite the housing discrimination on his part against African Americans. We could talk about the racist attacks on the Exonerated Five. We could point out his lamentations about immigrants from non-European countries. At some point racist statements and actions fall into a pattern.

The same goes for the racists that stormed the Capitol and attacked police officers, they pay lip service to supporting police officers, but the reality is it's only self-serving. The police are not about enforcing the law, they are there to control and subjugate people they don't like, mainly black and brown communities and the "enemy" liberals that support them.

 

[Astrid]

Right - and you ignored the mapping of non-white individuals onto birthplaces that aren't America.

Yeah, mapping, whatevs.

There's always 'evidence" to be seen for a pre determined conclusion.

Flood fanciers can see Noah's ark in a rock formation in Turkey.

 

[Der Alte]

I think the other important thing with regards to this story, besides the fact that the president fomented an insurrection against the United States because he lost an election, is how much it exposes the virtue signalling espoused by some in the right-wing. They scream Blue Lives Matter, yet attack police officers violently and hurl racist insults at some officers. They talk about freedom, yet they are trying to overturn the results of a free and fair election. Facts don't matter to the insurrectionists, and they have continued their support for the golden calf they worship, Mooby... I mean Donald Trump.

You must be talking about the Democrats who started trying to get rid of Trump even before he was elected. Where did the cry "He is not my president" originate with Trump supporters or the other guys in '17?

Various people and groups assert that U.S. president Donald Trump engaged in impeachable activity both before and during his presidency,[1][2] and talk of impeachment began before he took office.[3][4] Grounds asserted for impeachment have included possible violations of the Foreign Emoluments Clause of the Constitution by accepting payments from foreign dignitaries; alleged collusion with Russia during the campaign for the 2016 United States presidential election; alleged obstruction of justice with respect to investigation of the collusion claim; and accusations of "Associating the Presidency with White Nationalism, Neo-Nazism and Hatred", which formed the basis of a resolution for impeachment brought on December 6, 2017..
Efforts to impeach Donald Trump - Wikipedia

On Feb. 3, 2017, career Congresswoman Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) tweeted, “Today, I told Cheddar [News] that my greatest desire was to lead Donald Trump right into impeachment.” When asked to later to explain her remarks, she said, “We have to find out more about him and some of that leads to the possibility of impeachment.”

Rep. Al Green (D-Texas) formally called for Trump’s impeachment on the House floor in May 2017. “I will not be moved. The president must be impeached,” the longtime congressman declared.

A month later, Rep. Brad Sherman (D-Calif.), who has served in Congress since 1997, joined his efforts. The next month, both of them introduced an article of impeachment against President Trump.

Rep. Waters herself has bragged about being among the first to call for Trump’s ouster. “I started a long time ago, right after the president was inaugurated, talking about impeachment and saying that he was dishonorable, he was a conman, we could not trust him. And of course, I was way ahead of all this and nobody really took me seriously,” Waters boasted last September.
MATTHEWS: Democrats have tried to oust Trump since day one, in spite of claims to the contrary​

 

[iluvatar5150]

Yeah, mapping, whatevs.

There's always 'evidence" to be seen for a pre determined conclusion.

Flood fanciers can see Noah's ark in a rock formation in Turkey.

Whoa, wait a minute. You said, "I will go with the plain text of what he said." The plain text of what he said explicitly claims that they're from countries other than the US. In fact, of the five sentences contained in those tweets, every single one of them (including the reference to Pelosi) either outright stated that point or reinforced it:

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......

....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

Now you're pretending as if I'm merely seeing what I want to see. No, it's right there. He hammered that point home repeatedly: they're not from here. They're not one of us.

Tell me how this plain text doesn't support my contention.

 

[DaisyDay]

As a matter fact evidence is coming to light that the attack on the capital was planned long before Trump spoke that police etc. had intelligence but ignored it. Funny what one finds when they actually look for the truth.

Yeah, it was planned and government, including the head of the government presumably, knew that this was planned; but when asked to tell them to "stand down", he first told them to "stand by", then told them to come to DC on Jan 6 to "take back" the government. Funny.

 

[Kenny'sID]

What do you think caused him to think they were from countries other than the US?

Ok, say they were pink skinned, and had antenni, making it obvious they were those aliens from another planet, and I told them they were not from here, and blah blah...why in the world would that mean I'm racest against pink antenni wielding aliens? It would not, it would only mean I knew who they were by the way they look.

If you try to stretch this much tighter in order to make it fit, it's going to snap.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Ok, say they were pink skinned, and had antenni, making it obvious they were those aliens from another planet, and I told them they were not from here, and blah blah...why in the world would that mean I'm racest against pink antenni wielding aliens? It would not, it would only mean I knew who they were by the way they look.

If you try to stretch this much tighter in order to make it fit, it's going to snap.

Ok, let's work off that.

"Who they were" in this case is non-Americans - as noted, Trump hammered that point home.

What about the way The Squad looks would cause Trump (and IME many of his followers) to think that they're not American?

 

[Astrid]

Whoa, wait a minute. You said, "I will go with the plain text of what he said." The plain text of what he said explicitly claims that they're from countries other than the US. In fact, of the five sentences contained in those tweets, every single one of them (including the reference to Pelosi) either outright stated that point or reinforced it:







Now you're pretending as if I'm merely seeing what I want to see. No, it's right there. He hammered that point home repeatedly: they're not from here. They're not one of us.

Tell me how this plain text doesn't support my contention.

Would it be racism if one or all of the countries were
inhabited by blue eye blondes and redheads,
but comparable chaotic societies?

 

[iluvatar5150]

Would it be racism if one or all of the countries were
inhabited by blue eye blondes and redheads,
but comparable chaotic societies?

You're still dodging the question of why he claimed they weren't American in the first place.

 

[Astrid]

You're still dodging the question of why he claimed they weren't American in the first place.

Not at all. There is nothing to dodge except
distractions.
I went to the core of the claim which is racism.
Address my question about the Lilly white country
In chaos- only takes one word. Boldly now,
no more dodging!

 

[Kenny'sID]

What about the way The Squad looks would cause Trump (and IME many of his followers) to think that they're not American?

Your comments are getting really weird now. That tells me you are fast running out of argument here, and getting desperate.

It's so odd a question, I don't know how to respond. You can try to clear it up for me if you like, or just realize you were dead wrong from the get go.

 

[SummerMadness]

Your comments are getting really weird now. That tells me you are fast running out of argument here, and getting desperate.

It's so odd a question, I don't know how to respond. You can try to clear it up for me if you like, or just realize you were dead wrong from the get go.

His question is not odd, the sad display is those trying to ignore the president's repeated racist remarks before and during his presidency. He told Americans to go back to their country, he intimated their lack of American-ness for the same reason he questioned President Obama's citizenship. It's a racist foundation.

 

[Astrid]

His question is not odd, the sad display is those trying to ignore the president's repeated racist remarks before and during his presidency. He told Americans to go back to their country, he intimated their lack of American-ness for the same reason he questioned President Obama's citizenship. It's a racist foundation.

I'm not white either.
I thought Trump a jerk, but racist?
The effort it takes to concoct "rasism" show
well enough that there's nothing there.

Sheesh, there's enough wrong
in the world,there's no need to concoct anything!