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Now it's my turn to ask you for proof of those statements, prefferably from the SPLC itself.
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They also think that anyone who didn't vote for Obama or who doesn't agree with so-called "gay marriage" or so-called "abortion rights" is hateful.
He stated that Africans and Arabs are exclusively to blame for the slave trade as they sold black slaves to whites. That is a fallacy since whites also enslaved blacks themselves without the intervention of African/Arab slave traders. This happened mostly in Benin, which was an African kingdom under the influence of the Europeans.
That's aside from the point, the fact that Horowitz . Abraham Lincoln identified slavery as an intrinsic evil and annihilated it. I don't understand why so many figures on the far-right want to keep on having a dialogue about slavery, as if that's going to do anything about America's shameful past in the slave trade.
They also think that anyone who didn't vote for Obama or who doesn't agree with so-called "gay marriage" or so-called "abortion rights" is hateful.
I would like to see the quote as well as the context that it came from for what this guy has allegedly said. Also, Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves as a war strategy. The South was winning at the time, so he came up with the idea that if he offered the slaves their freedom that they would turn against their slave masters and fight for the North. This made the difference, and the North won the war because of it. Another thing that most people don't know about Abraham Lincoln is that he was for segregation.He stated that Africans and Arabs are exclusively to blame for the slave trade as they sold black slaves to whites. That is a fallacy since whites also enslaved blacks themselves without the intervention of African/Arab slave traders. This happened mostly in Benin, which was an African kingdom under the influence of the Europeans.
That's aside from the point, the fact that Horowitz . Abraham Lincoln identified slavery as an intrinsic evil and annihilated it. I don't understand why so many figures on the far-right want to keep on having a dialogue about slavery, as if that's going to do anything about America's shameful past in the slave trade.
They also think that anyone who didn't vote for Obama or who doesn't agree with so-called "gay marriage" or so-called "abortion rights" is hateful.
The Catholic Church, a Hate Group? | Austin Ruse | First Things
A new petition has gone up, on Christmas Day no less, asking for the Catholic Church to be labeled a hate group.
In his annual Christmas address to the College of Cardinals, Pope Benedict XVI, the global leader of the Roman Catholic Church, demeaned and belittled homosexual people around the world. Using hateful language and discriminatory remarks, the Pope painted a portrait in which gay people are second-class global citizens. Pope Benedict said that gay people starting families are threatening to society, and that gay parents objectify and take away the dignity of children. The Pope also implied that gay families are sub-human, as they are not dignified in the eyes of God.
Upon these remarks, the Roman Catholic Church fits the definition of a hate group as defined by both the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League.
I'm still trying to figure out how things devolved into "who has this site so the person can determine whether or not to read articles from it" instead of "what do Muslims believe". I know this thread started out with "Muslims 101", which is about what Muslims believe from their fasts or Holy Days to the Five Pillars to customs to Sharia law to history. (I would think that if people claim to be "multi-cultural" and respecting different people, they would want to know what those different people believe.)
Here's the thing. When I was a protestant, my knowledge of the Catholic Church came from Chick Tracts and the polemic language in the Book of Concord. In order to find out what the Catholic Church actually teaches, I put down the Chick Tracts and the Concordia and took up the Catechism and I'm now a Catholic.
My point is, if you want to learn about something, you don't go to third-hand or second-hand sources, you go to the primary source. If I want to learn about Islam, I'd get a Koran and read Muslim commentaries on Islam and ask Muslims (I work with two, one a Sunni, the other a Shia) about their faith. In other words, I'd go to primary sources, which is what a person who is dedicated to the facts and the truth does.
Here's the thing. When I was a protestant, my knowledge of the Catholic Church came from Chick Tracts and the polemic language in the Book of Concord. In order to find out what the Catholic Church actually teaches, I put down the Chick Tracts and the Concordia and took up the Catechism and I'm now a Catholic.
My point is, if you want to learn about something, you don't go to third-hand or second-hand sources, you go to the primary source. If I want to learn about Islam, I'd get a Koran and read Muslim commentaries on Islam and ask Muslims (I work with two, one a Sunni, the other a Shia) about their faith. In other words, I'd go to primary sources, which is what a person who is dedicated to the facts and the truth does.
...and neither the SPLC or the ADL considers the Catholic. Church a hate group, in spite of crazies petitioning to make it so and in spite of people who make dishonest statements about them.
Give 'em time.
Meanwhile, to play y'all's game, the SPLC is considered a hate group:
âAnti-Christian Hate Groupâ SPLC Becoming Increasingly Discredited
Seems just as valid as you using them as a source
My fear of what? Please be specific. Are you trying to say that I'm afraid of Muslims, as in every Muslim? I think that won't hold water since I've said that I think it might be a good idea to team up with Iran and with Syria's Muslim president in fighting against ISIS. And what do you mean by "gotcha-text smear campaigns"?Your fear makes you call it PC, but the reaction you're seeing is simply intellectual honesty. Catholics have been the victims of gotcha-text smear campaigns before (and we still are), so we're kind of sensitive to that sort of misleading garbage.
Catholic apologists don't need to resort to ad hominem attacks to discredit what Jack Chick says. Jack Chick poses no threat to us. That's because we can easily demonstrate how what he claims is factually not true. But I've noticed that the only thing that Robert Spencer's critics can do is use the ad hominem tactic against him and misrepresent what he says. Another difference between the two is Jack Chick wasn't risking his life by criticizing Catholicism in public while Robert Spencer has to live at an undisclosed address because of threats on his life for his criticism of Islam. There's usually a fatwa issued for any public figure or ex-Muslim who criticizes Islam. A fatwa is when a Muslim cleric tells Muslims to kill the non-believer if they get the chance. There is no equivalent to a fatwa in Catholicism.Jack Chict is to Catholocism as Spencer is to Islam. Spencer's methods are exactly as Chict's, except he likely cannot draw as well. Both take shocking-sounding teachings and use them to promote dishonest viewpoints. That they do this is not surprising, evil is all around us. That people cannot see through this garbage, even when warned, is.
My fear of what? Please be specifiic.
no, I'm saying that you're afraid of Muslims in general, to the extent that you are quick to accept negative writings about them rather than seeking out unbiased sources like a person who truly wanted to learn would do.Are you trying to say that I'm afraid of Muslims, as in every Muslim?
. I mean precisely the kind of text-mining that jihadwatch and the KKK and liberal and conservative politicians and Jack Chict and an endless stream of other dishonest people or groups take part in when they want to dishonestly smear another person or group.And what do you mean by "gotcha-text smear campaigns"?
Catholic apologists don't need to resort to ad hominem attacks to discredit what Jack Chick says. Jack Chick poses no threat to us. That's because we can easily demonstrate how what he claims is factually not true.
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