Basics That Every Non-Muslim Should Know About Islam

[Tallguy88]

They also think that anyone who didn't vote for Obama or who doesn't agree with so-called "gay marriage" or so-called "abortion rights" is hateful.

Now it's my turn to ask you for proof of those statements, prefferably from the SPLC itself.

 

[brewmama]

He stated that Africans and Arabs are exclusively to blame for the slave trade as they sold black slaves to whites. That is a fallacy since whites also enslaved blacks themselves without the intervention of African/Arab slave traders. This happened mostly in Benin, which was an African kingdom under the influence of the Europeans.

That's aside from the point, the fact that Horowitz . Abraham Lincoln identified slavery as an intrinsic evil and annihilated it. I don't understand why so many figures on the far-right want to keep on having a dialogue about slavery, as if that's going to do anything about America's shameful past in the slave trade.

Are you saying that having a dialogue about it is somehow justifying it? Pointing out the truth that Arabs (who still practice slavery today) and other Africans sold slaves to Europeans and Americans doesn't do that, it just paints a more accurate picture than that of evil white men being solely responsible.

 

[Kurama]

They also think that anyone who didn't vote for Obama or who doesn't agree with so-called "gay marriage" or so-called "abortion rights" is hateful.

What about Dr Cornel West, social critique and prominent member of the Democratic Socialist Party?

The things he says about Obama tend to be a lot harsher than what any mainstream Republican would say. West is lauded as a people's hero by the SPLC.

It's so easy to debunk ad hominem posts

 

[LivingWordUnity]

He stated that Africans and Arabs are exclusively to blame for the slave trade as they sold black slaves to whites. That is a fallacy since whites also enslaved blacks themselves without the intervention of African/Arab slave traders. This happened mostly in Benin, which was an African kingdom under the influence of the Europeans.

That's aside from the point, the fact that Horowitz . Abraham Lincoln identified slavery as an intrinsic evil and annihilated it. I don't understand why so many figures on the far-right want to keep on having a dialogue about slavery, as if that's going to do anything about America's shameful past in the slave trade.

I would like to see the quote as well as the context that it came from for what this guy has allegedly said. Also, Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves as a war strategy. The South was winning at the time, so he came up with the idea that if he offered the slaves their freedom that they would turn against their slave masters and fight for the North. This made the difference, and the North won the war because of it. Another thing that most people don't know about Abraham Lincoln is that he was for segregation.

 

[brewmama]

The Catholic Church, a Hate Group? | Austin Ruse | First Things

A new petition has gone up, on Christmas Day no less, asking for the Catholic Church to be labeled a hate group.
In his annual Christmas address to the College of Cardinals, Pope Benedict XVI, the global leader of the Roman Catholic Church, demeaned and belittled homosexual people around the world. Using hateful language and discriminatory remarks, the Pope painted a portrait in which gay people are second-class global citizens. Pope Benedict said that gay people starting families are threatening to society, and that gay parents objectify and take away the dignity of children. The Pope also implied that gay families are sub-human, as they are not dignified in the eyes of God.
Upon these remarks, the Roman Catholic Church fits the definition of a hate group as defined by both the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League.

 

[MikeK]

They also think that anyone who didn't vote for Obama or who doesn't agree with so-called "gay marriage" or so-called "abortion rights" is hateful.

I'm pretty sure you're not telling the truth here, and I'm pretty sure you know it. Note that while the SPLC does warn about those traditionalist breakaway Catholic groups that are Anti-Semitic, they do not call out Catholocism in general which is most certainly anti-abortion and does not support gay marriage. Your fear has you backed into a corner, and now you are spreading falsehoods. You need to examine your conscience on this one. Your worldview is based on fear and it is burning you up and causing you to believe things that simply are not true. Worse yet, you are spreading these falsehoods. Christ's Church is a Church of love.

 

[brewmama]

The SPLC on Spencer:

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/...obert-spencer-shows-white-nationalist-colors/

So do you agree with that description of Crisis magazine and that article?

 

[MikeK]

The Catholic Church, a Hate Group? | Austin Ruse | First Things

A new petition has gone up, on Christmas Day no less, asking for the Catholic Church to be labeled a hate group.
In his annual Christmas address to the College of Cardinals, Pope Benedict XVI, the global leader of the Roman Catholic Church, demeaned and belittled homosexual people around the world. Using hateful language and discriminatory remarks, the Pope painted a portrait in which gay people are second-class global citizens. Pope Benedict said that gay people starting families are threatening to society, and that gay parents objectify and take away the dignity of children. The Pope also implied that gay families are sub-human, as they are not dignified in the eyes of God.
Upon these remarks, the Roman Catholic Church fits the definition of a hate group as defined by both the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League.

...and neither the SPLC or the ADL considers the Catholic. Church a hate group, in spite of crazies petitioning to make it so and in spite of people who make dishonest statements about them.

 

[Needing_Grace]

I'm still trying to figure out how things devolved into "who has this site so the person can determine whether or not to read articles from it" instead of "what do Muslims believe". I know this thread started out with "Muslims 101", which is about what Muslims believe from their fasts or Holy Days to the Five Pillars to customs to Sharia law to history. (I would think that if people claim to be "multi-cultural" and respecting different people, they would want to know what those different people believe.)

Here's the thing. When I was a protestant, my knowledge of the Catholic Church came from Chick Tracts and the polemic language in the Book of Concord. In order to find out what the Catholic Church actually teaches, I put down the Chick Tracts and the Concordia and took up the Catechism and I'm now a Catholic.

My point is, if you want to learn about something, you don't go to third-hand or second-hand sources, you go to the primary source. If I want to learn about Islam, I'd get a Koran and read Muslim commentaries on Islam and ask Muslims (I work with two, one a Sunni, the other a Shia) about their faith. In other words, I'd go to primary sources, which is what a person who is dedicated to the facts and the truth does.

 

[brewmama]

Here's the thing. When I was a protestant, my knowledge of the Catholic Church came from Chick Tracts and the polemic language in the Book of Concord. In order to find out what the Catholic Church actually teaches, I put down the Chick Tracts and the Concordia and took up the Catechism and I'm now a Catholic.

My point is, if you want to learn about something, you don't go to third-hand or second-hand sources, you go to the primary source. If I want to learn about Islam, I'd get a Koran and read Muslim commentaries on Islam and ask Muslims (I work with two, one a Sunni, the other a Shia) about their faith. In other words, I'd go to primary sources, which is what a person who is dedicated to the facts and the truth does.

And do you think that the Koran and Muslims are not in agreement on this? They have been quoted over and over.

 

[Kurama]

Here's the thing. When I was a protestant, my knowledge of the Catholic Church came from Chick Tracts and the polemic language in the Book of Concord. In order to find out what the Catholic Church actually teaches, I put down the Chick Tracts and the Concordia and took up the Catechism and I'm now a Catholic.

My point is, if you want to learn about something, you don't go to third-hand or second-hand sources, you go to the primary source. If I want to learn about Islam, I'd get a Koran and read Muslim commentaries on Islam and ask Muslims (I work with two, one a Sunni, the other a Shia) about their faith. In other words, I'd go to primary sources, which is what a person who is dedicated to the facts and the truth does.

Reason. I couldn't have summed it better than this. If the OP claims that Islam is an inherently violent religion, he should do well to do the research and become more well versed in Islamic theology. I'm not going to undertake a layperson's personal views on Islam.

 

[MikeK]

Jack Chict is to Catholocism as Spencer is to Islam. Spencer's methods are exactly as Chict's, except he likely cannot draw as well. Both take shocking-sounding teachings and use them to promote dishonest viewpoints. That they do this is not surprising, evil is all around us. That people cannot see through this garbage, even when warned, is.

 

[brewmama]

...and neither the SPLC or the ADL considers the Catholic. Church a hate group, in spite of crazies petitioning to make it so and in spite of people who make dishonest statements about them.

Give 'em time.

Meanwhile, to play y'all's game, the SPLC is considered a hate group:

“Anti-Christian Hate Group” SPLC Becoming Increasingly Discredited

Seems just as valid as you using them as a source

 

[MikeK]

Give 'em time.

Meanwhile, to play y'all's game, the SPLC is considered a hate group:

“Anti-Christian Hate Group” SPLC Becoming Increasingly Discredited

Seems just as valid as you using them as a source

Did you read that garbage and then think to yourself, "this seems like a reasonable article"?

 

[LivingWordUnity]

This video from the Lego Movie is like the PC attitude about Islam.

The Lego Movie - Everything Is Awesome - YouTube

 

[MikeK]

Your fear makes you call it PC, but the reaction you're seeing is simply intellectual honesty. Catholics have been the victims of gotcha-text smear campaigns before (and we still are), so we're kind of sensitive to that sort of misleading garbage.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Your fear makes you call it PC, but the reaction you're seeing is simply intellectual honesty. Catholics have been the victims of gotcha-text smear campaigns before (and we still are), so we're kind of sensitive to that sort of misleading garbage.

My fear of what? Please be specific. Are you trying to say that I'm afraid of Muslims, as in every Muslim? I think that won't hold water since I've said that I think it might be a good idea to team up with Iran and with Syria's Muslim president in fighting against ISIS. And what do you mean by "gotcha-text smear campaigns"?

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Jack Chict is to Catholocism as Spencer is to Islam. Spencer's methods are exactly as Chict's, except he likely cannot draw as well. Both take shocking-sounding teachings and use them to promote dishonest viewpoints. That they do this is not surprising, evil is all around us. That people cannot see through this garbage, even when warned, is.

Catholic apologists don't need to resort to ad hominem attacks to discredit what Jack Chick says. Jack Chick poses no threat to us. That's because we can easily demonstrate how what he claims is factually not true. But I've noticed that the only thing that Robert Spencer's critics can do is use the ad hominem tactic against him and misrepresent what he says. Another difference between the two is Jack Chick wasn't risking his life by criticizing Catholicism in public while Robert Spencer has to live at an undisclosed address because of threats on his life for his criticism of Islam. There's usually a fatwa issued for any public figure or ex-Muslim who criticizes Islam. A fatwa is when a Muslim cleric tells Muslims to kill the non-believer if they get the chance. There is no equivalent to a fatwa in Catholicism.

 

[MikeK]

My fear of what? Please be specifiic.

Oh, rich! How many times I've challenged you in a similar fashion to answer a direct question. Your fear of what? It's hard to say for certain. Your shadow, it seems. More explicitly, of either society or The Lord due to the handful of sins that you have elected to make and entire identity of focussing on, at the expense of others. Homosexuals, Obama and liberals, Muslims and do on. These topics are your focus in conversation after conversation.

Are you trying to say that I'm afraid of Muslims, as in every Muslim?

no, I'm saying that you're afraid of Muslims in general, to the extent that you are quick to accept negative writings about them rather than seeking out unbiased sources like a person who truly wanted to learn would do.

And what do you mean by "gotcha-text smear campaigns"?

. I mean precisely the kind of text-mining that jihadwatch and the KKK and liberal and conservative politicians and Jack Chict and an endless stream of other dishonest people or groups take part in when they want to dishonestly smear another person or group.

 

[MikeK]

Catholic apologists don't need to resort to ad hominem attacks to discredit what Jack Chick says. Jack Chick poses no threat to us. That's because we can easily demonstrate how what he claims is factually not true.

We'll see about that. There is much less text here to pour over and refute than jihadwatch's filth, so it should be cake. PM me when you're addressed each of these claims. Make sure that each of your answers is detailed with sources better than Mr Chick's, lest you be no better than him.

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