Barack Obama

[Adammi]

Once America stops supporting Israel - we are lost as a nation. We have been Blessed because we are the only nation that supports Israel.

God said "I will Bless those who bless Israel and I will curse those who curse Israel" -

Israel was not sending rockets against Lebanese by themselves - we tied the hands of Israel - we should have turned them loose and let them fight.

God gave Israel the boundries for their state and they were not to give any of it away - it is being taken away with every countries Blessings - this is not what the Bible says.

I understand your position, but I think that it flies in the face of our crucified Christ to say that Israel means more to God than does any other Gentile nation.

 

[warriorforJesus]

It's sad that someone with a muslim background, would even consider running for president after all that has happened in the last 6 years. I have worked with muslims ans they have said you never really forget or abandon the faith. I would be leary of even considering to vote for Obama.But then again it comes down to the lesser of two evils: Obama or Hillary Clinton, but she did run the country for 8 years already didn't she. God help us if either one is elected for I believe this country would fall into the worst time it has ever seen. But that is just my opinion.

 

[franky67]

It's sad that someone with a muslim background, would even consider running for president after all that has happened in the last 6 years. I have worked with muslims ans they have said you never really forget or abandon the faith. I would be leary of even considering to vote for Obama.But then again it comes down to the lesser of two evils: Obama or Hillary Clinton, but she did run the country for 8 years already didn't she. God help us if either one is elected for I believe this country would fall into the worst time it has ever seen. But that is just my opinion.

Exactly my point, the pressure on muslims is great to remain in the faith, so how do we know what to expect from one who has been indoctrinated into the strictest element of Islam, wahabbi.

In his book about his spiritual walk, he never mentions the two years in the wahabbi school in Jakarta.

 

[Adammi]

It's sad that someone with a muslim background, would even consider running for president after all that has happened in the last 6 years.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

The office of president of the United States is not a religious office. We have had Christian and non-Christian presidents.
Ones religious affiliation is completely irrelevant to ones ability to serve as president.
I am thankful that our founding father ruled such a thing to be unconstitutional.

 

[Katana]

I also trust him on defense because he sees peace as the primary goal of war. He is a hopeful dove who could easily be pushed into being a hawk.

Anyone who doesn't recognize that we are dealing with Barbarians who do not wish for peace, and will simply trample upon any covenants we make with them, is automatically incompetent.

I wish that an American politician would stand up against Israel sometimes. My goodness, it was sad to see hundreds of Lebanese civilians murdered without any US support because of Bush's fear of losing his Evangelical base.
Tancredo? Really? He is all that I oppose personified.

This is the problem I was talking about. A politician who actually believes that Israel is a force of evil, is one that obviously has no connection with reality.

BTW, those Iranian backed terrorists were routinely firing from civilian areas, setting up near schools, and UN outposts. If you go through it case by case, damn right Israel was justified in defending itself... Even the Democrats agreed at the time.

As for Tancredo, what exactly are you opposed to? This man is a good Christian. Just because he isn't a socialist, doesn't mean he's your complete opposite. "He is all that I oppose personified" sounds like he's the freaking anti-You, or as if there is something really evil about him. He's not Lex Luthor you know.

 

[Adammi]

"He is all that I oppose personified" sounds like he's the freaking anti-You, or as if there is something really evil about him. He's not Lex Luthor you know.

His entire campaign (or what will be a campaign) is based on anti- illegal immigration policy. He is a one issue man. Those are two things that I hate: anti- illegal immigration policy and one issue politics.

 

[Katana]

John Jay, America's first Supreme Court Chief Justice and also co-author of the Federalist Papers is credited with saying:

"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."

 

[Adammi]

John Jay, America's first Supreme Court Chief Justice and also co-author of the Federalist Papers is credited with saying:

"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."

Thomas Jefferson; author of the Declaration of Independence, 3rd President of the United States, and considered to be one of the 3 chiefest founders of America, rewrote the gospels removing all instances of scripture demonstrating that Christ is God. He was a Deist.
John Adams; 2nd president of the United States, 1st vice president of the United States, and considered to be the #2 founding father, was a lifelong member of the famous Braintree Unitarian Universalist Church.

They weren't Christians.

 

[Katana]

His entire campaign (or what will be a campaign) is based on anti- illegal immigration policy. He is a one issue man. Those are two things that I hate: anti- illegal immigration policy and one issue politics.

That is his trade mark issue, and he is one of the few Politicians we can expect to help secure the border. However, that is not his only issue. He's been around for a long time, so I know pretty much what we can expect ouf of him as a President... And I like it better everytime I look at it. On the other hand, what can we expect Obama to do with our borders (one of the primary threats facing this nation is our open "borders")? What can we expect for him to do with Iran? I think he has already said he is interested in pulling out of Iraq... Which would only prove to be a disaster for the Iraqi people and American Reputation.

More on Tancredo:

Education
...I support tax credits for families who choose to allow their children attend any other institution whether it be a private, parochial, or home school. I oppose increased federal involvement in education...

Social Security
...We need to look at major reforms to protect the program. One component is individually-controlled, voluntary personal retirement accounts, which will augment the Social Security safety net. Any solution must, however, protect current retirees, and provide greater retirement security for future retirees...

Taxes
...Tax cuts must be accompanied by fiscal restraint. In addition to decreasing the overall amount of taxes Americans pay, I also support efforts to scrap the current cumbersome income tax system and start fresh with either a national sales tax or a flat tax...

Social Issues
As a devout Christian, father, and grandfather, I am a strong believer in the rights to life for the unborn child. I also believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. For years, activist judges have undermined both life and marriage. As president I would stop this by appointing strict constructionists as judges, reining in the power of the judiciary, and supporting constitutional amendments that respect marriage and life.

Voting Record

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American Conservative UnionA+National Right to Life Committee ANational Rifle Association AFamily Research Council AAmericans for Better ImmigrationA+National Federation of Independent BusinessA+

The whole thing at: http://www.teamtancredo.com/issues.php

Another website: http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=CCO89758

Doesn't look like a one issue guy to me.

 

[Katana]

BTW, maybe someone should repost the links I just put up in a Tancredo thread.

They weren't Christians.

Here is more on John Adams (lets see how much of an infidel he was):

John Adams certainly spoke harshly of such anti-Christian propaganda:

The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue equity and humanity, let the Blackguard [scoundrel, rogue] Paine say what he will.[4]​

Far from opposing "the God of the Old and New Testaments," Adams defended the Bible as the basis for government in a Christian nation:

Suppose a nation in some distant region should take the Bible for their only law book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God.... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be." [5]​

This was, in fact, the basis for the system of government in America, as Adams wrote to Thomas Jefferson on June 28, 1813:

The general principles, on which the Fathers achieved independence, were the only Principles in which that beautiful Assembly of young Gentlemen could Unite....And what were these general Principles? I answer, the general Principles of Christianity, in which all these Sects were United: . . . Now I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes of God; and that those Principles of Liberty, are as unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System. [6]​

http://members.aol.com/TestOath/deism.htm​

Unitarianism​

But wasn't Adams a Unitarian? Those who believe in the "separation of church and state" would certainly like us to believe that he was, and that Unitarians were flagrant TomPaine-type atheists who flouted their anti-religious views and led an entire nation in an anti-Christian revolt. This is far from accurate.​

Unitarianism appeared in America as early as 1785; its doctrines were stated by William Ellery Channing in 1819, with the American Unitarian Association being formed in 1825. The Theological Dictionary of 1823 described Unitarians thusly:

In common with other Christians, they confess that He [Jesus] is the Christ, the Son of the Living God; and in one word, they believe all that the writers of the New Testament, particularly the four Evangelists, have stated concerning him.​

In fact, the early Unitarians published a pamphlet entitled An Answer to the Question, "Why Do You Attend a Unitarian Church?" Notice some of the eighteen reasons:

• Because the Unitarians reject all human creeds and articles of faith, and strictly adhere to the great Protestant principle, "the Bible -- the Bible only;" admitting no standard of Christian truth, nor any rule of Christian practice, but the words of the Lord Jesus and his Apostles. . . .
• Because at the Unitarian Church I hear Jesus of Nazareth who was crucified, preached as the Christ, the son of the living God. . . .
• Because Unitarians teach the doctrine of "the true grace of God." -- His unmerited, unpurchased favor to mankind, -- that salvation and eternal life are his free gifts through Jesus Christ; which is clearly the doctrine of Scripture . . . .
• Because there the crucified Jesus is exalted, as having attained his high dignity and glory, and His appointment to be the Saviour and Judge of the world. . . .
• Because there the necessity of personal righteousness is insisted on, and the spirit of Christ and conformity to His example, made essential to genuine Christianity.

As a further indication of the early Unitarian's reliance on the Bible, observers from that era noted "that several of the ablest defenders of Christianity against the attacks of infidels have been Unitarians." [29]
However, in 1838, Unitarianism took a radical turn when Ralph Waldo Emerson began slowly reshaping Channing's Christian teachings
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Same link, I suggest everyone read it all.

 

[Adammi]

and that Unitarians were flagrant TomPaine-type atheists

Thomas Paine was anything but an atheist.
This information is very biased.
He was a deist. As were Washington, Jefferson, Madison, and Lincoln.
Of the Religion of Deism Compared with the Christian Religion is the book in which Thomas Paine give his anti-Christian and pro-God views.

Also, John Adams and John Quincy were "Christian Deists". Deists who practice the moral values of Christianity without the faith in the Divines interference with the created world.

 

[NacDan]

If one is trying to decide if Barack Obama is the politician for the Presidency, one should look at his positions rather than his education at the age of 6.

*Pro Abortion, including the so called "partial birth abortion" (I can't for the life of me figure what the difference is between partial birth and waiting till the baby is completly out of the womb to euthanize it)

*Opposes the death penalty (btw...I don't support the death penalty either...I can't understand how one can be pro-life and pro-death at the same time...either life is sacred or it is not....)

*He also authored legislation requiring police to keep records of the race of everyone questioned, detained or arrested. These rules to deter racial profiling, say critics, lead to "de-policing." To avoid charges of racism if they question or arrest too many minority suspects, police find it easier to protect their careers by turning a blind eye and leaving minority criminals alone.

*favors school vouchers - bet you didn't expect a democrat to support this! (btw...vouchers are something else I personally don't support.)

*however, He has flip flopped on the voucher issue and now tows the party line

*favors racial preferences for select minorities in both the business world and academia.

*A strong supporter of gun control, he has proposed banning all civilian semi-automatic weapons. (as far as I'm concerned, "gun-control" means only destroying the target I intended)

*He is a proponent of socialized medicine.

I am not supporting or condemning Barack (at this time...lol) but let's look at what he supports rather than what his parents did.

Danny

 

[heron]

Thanks for the information. I would rather find out their past actions and decisions than their promises and rhetoric. By their fruits you will know them.

 

[Adammi]

If one is trying to decide if Barack Obama is the politician for the Presidency, one should look at his positions rather than his education at the age of 6.

*Pro Abortion, including the so called "partial birth abortion" (I can't for the life of me figure what the difference is between partial birth and waiting till the baby is completly out of the womb to euthanize it)

*Opposes the death penalty (btw...I don't support the death penalty either...I can't understand how one can be pro-life and pro-death at the same time...either life is sacred or it is not....)

*He also authored legislation requiring police to keep records of the race of everyone questioned, detained or arrested. These rules to deter racial profiling, say critics, lead to "de-policing." To avoid charges of racism if they question or arrest too many minority suspects, police find it easier to protect their careers by turning a blind eye and leaving minority criminals alone.

*favors school vouchers - bet you didn't expect a democrat to support this! (btw...vouchers are something else I personally don't support.)

*however, He has flip flopped on the voucher issue and now tows the party line

*favors racial preferences for select minorities in both the business world and academia.

*A strong supporter of gun control, he has proposed banning all civilian semi-automatic weapons. (as far as I'm concerned, "gun-control" means only destroying the target I intended)

*He is a proponent of socialized medicine.

I am not supporting or condemning Barack (at this time...lol) but let's look at what he supports rather than what his parents did.

Danny

Great post.
Very informative, but I have never heard that he supports school vouchers. According to his book The Audacity of Hope he is against them.

 

[seekthetruth909]

http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1511

Check out this site.

I notice at this website,Dan Rather, Peter Jennings,and Tom Brokaw, are also on the list of lefty pinko's.

 

[seekthetruth909]

Exactly my point, the pressure on muslims is great to remain in the faith, so how do we know what to expect from one who has been indoctrinated into the strictest element of Islam, wahabbi.

In his book about his spiritual walk, he never mentions the two years in the wahabbi school in Jakarta.

Why would anyone vote for a person who attended a muslim school when he was 6 years old and then a Christian one at 8 years old? Should the requirement be that you are born a Christian?

Seek

 

[seekthetruth909]

Yes

Probably all this would have come out if and when he gets closer to being a presidential candidate, but until I read this today, I had no idea that he was so steeped in Islam.

And the fact that he has come out of nowhere, and hit the ground running. No pun intended.

Maybe he's the Anti-Christ, seems to have all the answers.

A lefty, pnko, muslim, and anti-Christ mm.

Seek

 

[seekthetruth909]

That e-mail is a fraud.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_obama

Here's more on his beliefs


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_obama




Personal life

While working at the corporate law firm Sidley Austin LLP in the summer of 1989, Obama met Michelle Robinson, then an associate attorney at the firm. They married in 1992, and have two daughters, Malia (born 1999) and Sasha (born 2001). The Obamas are members of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ.[117][118] Of his religious affiliation, Obama has written:

I was drawn to the power of the African American religious tradition to spur social change. [...] In the history of these struggles, I was able to see faith as more than just a comfort to the weary or a hedge against death; rather, it was an active, palpable agent in the world. [...] It was because of these newfound understandings–that religious commitment did not require me to suspend critical thinking, disengage from the battle for economic and social justice, or otherwise retreat from the world that I knew and loved–that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ one day and be baptized. It came about as a choice and not an epiphany; the questions I had did not magically disappear. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side of Chicago, I felt God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth.[119]
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Yes, but he was a muslim at 6 years old? Will it be a scandal when it comes out. Maybe there are more people in congress who were muslims at age 6,7,3,2 or even, 1 years old! Maybe we should have a senate hearing on this to uncover them?

Seek

Seek

 

[Adammi]

Yes, but he was a muslim at 6 years old? Will it be a scandal when it comes out. Maybe there are more people in congress who were muslims at age 6,7,3,2 or even, 1 years old! Maybe we should have a senate hearing on this to uncover them?

Seek

Seek

ROFL.

Reminds me of a conversation I had with my dad the other night.
I had to convince him that freshman Rep. Keith Ellison (the first Muslim representative) is an American.
He didn't even believe that the man is an American simply because he isn't a Christian!
I did some research to find that his family has been in America since 1742.

 

[Hisgirl]

What we so often see are the two strongest contenders of the same party joining forces on the same ticket--President/Vice President.

My question is just HOW irritated is Hillary getting when the Democratic advisors are walking her through this scenario, and suggesting she be content with the VP slot? What a team!!

I think I'm gonna actually dig deep and contribute to the Republicans. They're gonna need all the help they can get!