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Baptized in the name of Jesus only

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It doesn't say who baptised them - it was very early days and the disciples were on a steep learning curve. What counts however is the intent of heart, matters were initially fluid and not so formulated. Everyone was getting used to a totally new life with different ways.
 
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ACT 8:16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Why were they not baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?
Super early church, there was an error where teachers would baptize in their own name like the Jewish tradition, so Jesus was emphasized. However, a little later on, emphasizing the trinity became more important, since the majority of new converts were not Jewish.
 
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ACT 8:16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Why were they not baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?

It's an idiom. The writer need not spell out everything at every line. The Jehovah's Witnesses and some other groups make that mistake. But a Christian baptism has to be performed using the trinitarian formula to be valid.
 
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ACT 8:16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Why were they not baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?

They had received Jesus Christ; they were baptized, so obviously the Spirit was dwelling in them. But they had not had an empowering experience like the apostles experienced on the day of Pentecost. For He was not yet fallen upon any of them, only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
 
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ACT 8:16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Why were they not baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?
They were baptized in water and not by the Holy Spirit. This is clearly stated if we read further. Blessings.
Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, 15 who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. 16 For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
 
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ACT 8:16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Why were they not baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?

Think "in the name of the Lord Jesus" as "by the authority of the Lord Jesus". It was His Baptism, as opposed to, for example, the baptism of John the Baptist. It's what we, today, usually just call "Christian Baptism", because it's the Baptism which Jesus instituted. Which is done "in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit".

"In the name of Jesus" isn't a formula, in fact when we look at descriptions of how to baptize in the ancient Church, such as the Didache (written between 60-100 AD, contemporary with the New Testament and was even accepted as New Testament Scripture by some churches in antiquity) we see that it instructs that when people are baptized they are to be baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. Preferably by immersion in running, natural water (like a river), and the practice wasn't a single immersion but actually a three-fold immersion. But then says that if that isn't possible, still water (such as in a basin) is fine, and if that's not practical, it is fine to simply pour water three times upon the head (again, in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit".

So in the Acts of the Apostles we aren't seeing a technical prescription for how the Church should perform the Rite of Baptism, but is descriptive. And it describes people being baptized as Christians, with Christian Baptism, by Christ's name--by His authority as Lord who instituted this Sacrament. The actual practice, the "Rite of Baptism", and how it should be done came largely down to what was practical and to allow it to also be a teaching moment. Which is why baptismal candidates were encouraged to spend time fasting and in prayer--and already baptized believers were encouraged to join them, to walk with them for edification. Even as the Church, in receiving a new baptized member made the promise to continue to walk with the newly baptized--we commit ourselves to one another, to walk with one another, to share Christian life together, what the New Testament calls koinonia, fellowship. By loving one another, helping one another, caring for the needs of each other, hearing and preaching the word together and to one another, celebrating the Lord's Supper together, etc.

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It was the practice of the early church disciples,.... and should be our practice also.

After I was born again, I was immersed in the name of Jesus, and I wouldn't change a thing, I followed their examples.
 
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ACT 8:16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Why were they not baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?

Two things … The key to the account in Acts is in the word receive(ed). Two different words used in the Greek ....dechomai is a subjective reception lambanō is objective reception.

Act 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

Verse 14 the word receive = dechomai = a subjective reception.


Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the holy spirit
Receive = lambanō = Receive into manifestation

Act 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received (lambanō) the holy spirit

In the English it looks the same, but the Greek words make the distinction.

The evidence or manifestation of receiving the spirit was to speak in tongues. When Peter and John heard they had received dechomai the spirit, but not received lambanō they came down to Samaria to find out why.

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Regarding Mat 28:19 I believe it’s a forgery of which there are a handful of them scattered about …. almost exclusively in the NT.

With that said, I have no absolute proof… (proof being that it was not in earlier or original manuscripts, which unfortunately the earliest complete copy (Codex Sinaiticus) is from the 4th century) ...so I will not totally dismiss it…But the biggest indicator (other than commentators… and the words of Eusebius 260-340 A.D.) is the fact that the apostles totally ignored what Jesus said to them ~ IF ~ that was what Jesus stated in 28:19. To me that is huge and a willful disobedience of what Christ instructed them what to do shortly before He was received up into the heavens. They hung around when Jesus said “not many days hence” without even knowing how many days that would be…and yet, they don’t carry out His instruction for baptism??? ….Ever! ....It’s not recorded anywhere in Acts or any of the epistles.

So that is why I am skeptical…. There are other things (below) but it just doesn’t fit that the apostles would blow that off.


The writings come from Eusebius 260-340 A.D, the Bishop of Caesarea, who is called the father of Church History due to his extensive writings on the subject.
Eusebius quotes from Matthew a number of times in his writings. He quotes Mat 28:19 as "Go disciple ye all the nations in my name 17 times including an oration in Praise of Constantine.

Eusebius was present at the council of Nicaea and was involved in the debates about Arian teaching → “whether Christ was God or a creation of God”. …..If the manuscripts that he had in front of him were written as in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit…. Eusebius never would have quoted it as saying “in my name”

Oration in Praise of Constantine

"What king or prince in any age of the world, what philosopher, legislator, or prophet, in civilized or barbarous lands, has attained so great a height of excellence, I say not after death, but while living still, and full of mighty power, as to fill the ears and tongues of all mankind with the praises of his name? Surely none save our only Savior has done this, when, after his victory over death, he spoke the word to his followers, and fulfilled it by the event, saying to them, 'Go ye, and make disciples of all nations in my name.' The Oration in Praise of Constantine, Chap. 16, page 907-908 of The Master Christian Library, Version 6.02




*A few other notations from various sources*


The Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics:

As to Matthew 28:19, it says: It is the central piece of evidence for the traditional (Trinitarian) view. If it were undisputed, this would, of course, be decisive, but its trustworthiness is impugned on grounds of textual criticism, literary criticism and historical criticism. The same Encyclopedia further states that: "The obvious explanation of the silence of the New Testament on the triune name, and the use of another (JESUS NAME) formula in Acts and Paul, is that this other formula was the earlier, and the triune formula is a later addition."



The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263:
"The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century."


The Jerusalem Bible, a scholarly Catholic work, states:
"It may be that this formula, (Triune Matthew 28:19) so far as the fullness of its expression is concerned, is a reflection of the (Man-made) liturgical usage established later in the primitive (Catholic) community. It will be remembered that Acts speaks of baptizing "in the name of Jesus,"..."


The Catholic University of America in Washington, D. C. 1923, New Testament Studies Number 5:
The Lord's Command To Baptize An Historical Critical Investigation. By Bernard Henry Cuneo page 27. "The passages in Acts and the Letters of St. Paul. These passages seem to point to the earliest form as baptism in the name of the Lord." Also we find. "Is it possible to reconcile these facts with the belief that Christ commanded his disciples to baptize in the trine form? Had Christ given such a command, it is urged, the Apostolic Church would have followed him, and we should have some trace of this obedience in the New Testament. No such trace can be found. The only explanation of this silence, according to the anti-traditional view, is this the short christological (Jesus Name) formula was (the) original, and the longer trine formula was a later development."


Tom Harpur:
Tom Harpur, former Religion Editor of the Toronto Star in his "For Christ's sake," page 103 informs us of these facts: "All but the most conservative scholars agree that at least the latter part of this command [Triune part of Matthew 28:19] was inserted later. The [Trinitarian] formula occurs nowhere else in the New Testament, and we know from the only evidence available [the rest of the New Testament] that the earliest Church did not baptize people using these words ("in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost") baptism was "into" or "in" the name of Jesus alone. Thus it is argued that the verse originally read "baptizing them in My Name" and then was expanded [changed] to work in the [later Catholic Trinitarian] dogma. In fact, the first view put forward by German critical scholars as well as the Unitarians in the nineteenth century, was stated as the accepted position of mainline scholarship as long ago as 1919, when Peake's commentary was first published: "The Church of the first days (AD 33) did not observe this world-wide (Trinitarian) commandment, even if they knew it. The command to baptize into the threefold [Trinity] name is a late doctrinal expansion."
 
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They had received Jesus Christ; they were baptized, so obviously the Spirit was dwelling in them. But they had not had an empowering experience like the apostles experienced on the day of Pentecost. For He was not yet fallen upon any of them, only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Bingo!

Each new external group of people experienced the Holy Spirit's imprimatur of Pentecost-style speaking of tongues. That was how the Holy Spirit demonstrated that people other than Jews were acceptable to Him. The Apostles were not able to believe that fact ("Samaritans? Gentiles? Perish the thought!"), except through the Holy Spirit demonstrating it to them in that manner.

This is not an intention to define a baptismal formula.
 
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It was the practice of the early church disciples,.... and should be our practice also.

After I was born again, I was immersed in the name of Jesus, and I wouldn't change a thing, I followed their examples.

You said you were an Assembly of God guy, but that isn't how they do it. They baptize in the Name.of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
 
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You're correct,....

but I was not Assemblies of GOD when I was born again, or when I was water immersed. I did not join that denomination until many years later after I retired from the military.

So do you tell people in your church that there is something wrong with their baptism? Or do you keep your mouth shut, despite what you believe?
 
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So do you tell people in your church that there is something wrong with their baptism? Or do you keep your mouth shut, despite what you believe?

It's not my place to question their salvation, I'm fine with knowing what I know. If someone was to ask me about it I would tell them, but I'm not on a crusade to convert them to what scripture says.

Either they get it or they don't, I've got bigger fish to fry.
 
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What name is that, exactly?
ὄνομα (onoma) Definition: a name, authority, cause.

When I looked up "in the name of meaning" I got:
  • for the sake of.
    "he withdrew his candidacy in the name of party unity"
  • by the authority of.
    "deeds committed in the name of religion"
I think it could quite easily be that actually saying "in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit" or actually saying "in the name of Jesus" was not what was meant.

Maybe more like "baptize in the name of salvation".
 
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ὄνομα (onoma) Definition: a name, authority, cause.

When I looked up "in the name of meaning" I got:
  • for the sake of.
    "he withdrew his candidacy in the name of party unity"
  • by the authority of.
    "deeds committed in the name of religion"
I think it could quite easily be that actually saying "in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit" or actually saying "in the name of Jesus" was not what was meant.

Maybe more like "baptize in the name of salvation".

That the intention was not to denote a specific baptismal formula is an interesting way to think about it.
 
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