Just out of curiosity, can a person be un-baptized? Don't see why anyone would want to, but anyway to do so?
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yeshuaslavejeff
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Hebrews 6
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6 Let us stop going over the same old ground again and again, always teaching those first lessons about Christ. Let us go on instead to other things and become mature in our understanding, as strong Christians ought to be. Surely we don’t need to speak further about the foolishness of trying to be saved by being good, or about the necessity of faith in God; 2 you don’t need further instruction about baptism and spiritual gifts[a] and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment.
3 The Lord willing, we will go on now to other things.
4There is no use trying to bring you back to the Lord again if you have once understood the Good News and tasted for yourself the good things of heaven and shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 and know how good the Word of God is, and felt the mighty powers of the world to come, 6 and then have turned against God. You cannot bring yourself to repent again if you have nailed the Son of God to the cross again by rejecting him, holding him up to mocking and to public shame.
7 When a farmer’s land has had many showers upon it and good crops come up, that land has experienced God’s blessing upon it. 8 But if it keeps on having crops of thistles and thorns, the land is considered no good and is ready for condemnation and burning off.
9 Dear friends, even though I am talking like this I really don’t believe that what I am saying applies to you. I am confident you are producing the good fruit that comes along with your salvation. 10 For God is not unfair. How can he forget your hard work for him, or forget the way you used to show your love for him—and still do—by helping his children? 11 And we are anxious that you keep right on loving others as long as life lasts, so that you will get your full reward.
12 Then, knowing what lies ahead for you, you won’t become bored with being a Christian nor become spiritually dull and indifferent, but you will be anxious to follow the example of those who receive all that God has promised them because of their strong faith and patience.
13 For instance, there was God’s promise to Abraham: God took an oath in his own name, since there was no one greater to swear by, 14 that he would bless Abraham again and again, and give him a son and make him the father of a great nation of people. 15 Then Abraham waited patiently until finally God gave him a son, Isaac, just as he had promised.
16 When a man takes an oath, he is calling upon someone greater than himself to force him to do what he has promised or to punish him if he later refuses to do it; the oath ends all argument about it. 17 God also bound himself with an oath, so that those he promised to help would be perfectly sure and never need to wonder whether he might change his plans.
18 He has given us both his promise and his oath, two things we can completely count on, for it is impossible for God to tell a lie. Now all those who flee to him to save them can take new courage when they hear such assurances from God; now they can know without doubt that he will give them the salvation he has promised them.
Hebrews 6
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6 Let us stop going over the same old ground again and again, always teaching those first lessons about Christ. Let us go on instead to other things and become mature in our understanding, as strong Christians ought to be. Surely we don’t need to speak further about the foolishness of trying to be saved by being good, or about the necessity of faith in God; 2 you don’t need further instruction about baptism and spiritual gifts[a] and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment.
3 The Lord willing, we will go on now to other things.
4There is no use trying to bring you back to the Lord again if you have once understood the Good News and tasted for yourself the good things of heaven and shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 and know how good the Word of God is, and felt the mighty powers of the world to come, 6 and then have turned against God. You cannot bring yourself to repent again if you have nailed the Son of God to the cross again by rejecting him, holding him up to mocking and to public shame.
7 When a farmer’s land has had many showers upon it and good crops come up, that land has experienced God’s blessing upon it. 8 But if it keeps on having crops of thistles and thorns, the land is considered no good and is ready for condemnation and burning off.
9 Dear friends, even though I am talking like this I really don’t believe that what I am saying applies to you. I am confident you are producing the good fruit that comes along with your salvation. 10 For God is not unfair. How can he forget your hard work for him, or forget the way you used to show your love for him—and still do—by helping his children? 11 And we are anxious that you keep right on loving others as long as life lasts, so that you will get your full reward.
12 Then, knowing what lies ahead for you, you won’t become bored with being a Christian nor become spiritually dull and indifferent, but you will be anxious to follow the example of those who receive all that God has promised them because of their strong faith and patience.
13 For instance, there was God’s promise to Abraham: God took an oath in his own name, since there was no one greater to swear by, 14 that he would bless Abraham again and again, and give him a son and make him the father of a great nation of people. 15 Then Abraham waited patiently until finally God gave him a son, Isaac, just as he had promised.
16 When a man takes an oath, he is calling upon someone greater than himself to force him to do what he has promised or to punish him if he later refuses to do it; the oath ends all argument about it. 17 God also bound himself with an oath, so that those he promised to help would be perfectly sure and never need to wonder whether he might change his plans.
18 He has given us both his promise and his oath, two things we can completely count on, for it is impossible for God to tell a lie. Now all those who flee to him to save them can take new courage when they hear such assurances from God; now they can know without doubt that he will give them the salvation he has promised them.
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No. God is the only actor in a baptism. You, the pastor, and the congregation are just along for the ride. He doesn't do things and then undo them, and we don't have the power to undo what God has done.
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Being born of God is not is not subject to the laws of nature but of faith and spirit. Jesus said his word is spirit and life, which he likened to a seed planted in the ground which must grow to bear fruit by the Spirit of God.
Baptism begins with obedience to the gospel and the revelation of Christ by the Holy Ghost. We must persevere in obedience, through the hard times, by which faith is completely in God's faithfulness and love. He is faithful to bring us back when we lose faith if we don't harden our hearts to the voice of the Spirit. Paul gave tons of admonishment not to turn back because it's possible, but he also said those who did were not of us.
In John 6, Jesus taught his disciples that without eating his flesh and drinking his blood they had no life in them, and those who did he would raise up on the last day. That teaching served to separate those who were his and those who were not.
John 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
The Lord knows them that are his. Love for God will keep us blessed in the love of Christ, and faith found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ.
Baptism begins with obedience to the gospel and the revelation of Christ by the Holy Ghost. We must persevere in obedience, through the hard times, by which faith is completely in God's faithfulness and love. He is faithful to bring us back when we lose faith if we don't harden our hearts to the voice of the Spirit. Paul gave tons of admonishment not to turn back because it's possible, but he also said those who did were not of us.
In John 6, Jesus taught his disciples that without eating his flesh and drinking his blood they had no life in them, and those who did he would raise up on the last day. That teaching served to separate those who were his and those who were not.
John 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
The Lord knows them that are his. Love for God will keep us blessed in the love of Christ, and faith found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ.
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A person cannot be unbaptized, just like people can't be re-baptized.
Once it's done, you're stuck with it like it or not.
Personally I love being stuck with it.
once you're done you're stuck with it? that makes no sense to me.
is that like once you put on Christ you're stuck with him?
sounds like the mumbo jumbo you hear from many pulpits, a lullaby for sleeping virgins
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Baptism begins with remission of sins. The effect is on the heart and conscience towards God. It's the beginning of a transformation which is dependent on faith. If you fall away you destroy what was built, becoming "un-baptized".
I agree with you however that we cannot be re-baptized.
I agree with you however that we cannot be re-baptized.
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JGiddings
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You obviously missed my blissful humor.
IN OTHER WORDS:
ONCE BAPTIZED YOU CAN'T UNDO IT and that it is good that we as Christians can't lose it AND that I like that fact.
Let us, instead of throwing barbs, adress the OP's question.
I did.
Now I fully believe that ones baptism can become meaningless.
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I like you JD good buddy ole pal
I respect you, I have a high regard for you, appreciate the fellowship and all your posts to the forum....but pardon my initial revulsion though I still disagree vehemently. There are too many instances in the bible of disciples baptized and following Jesus who turned asideProverbs 26:11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.
I do not believe such a person is still baptized, by which they can be renewed again unto repentance. That would put Christ to open shame as Paul said. (Hebrews 6:6)
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yeshuaslavejeff
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see for your convenience Hebrews 6 in part above in post number 2.
don't stop there. in the Scriptures, there are perhaps over a hundred more warnings about God's sure judgment for those falling away ... ... ... ..
don't stop there. in the Scriptures, there are perhaps over a hundred more warnings about God's sure judgment for those falling away ... ... ... ..
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JGiddings
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I like you JD good buddy ole pal
Proverbs 26:11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.
I do not believe such a person is still baptized, by which they can be renewed again unto repentance. That would put Christ to open shame as Paul said. (Hebrews 6:6)
I respect that brother.
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I was baptized in a Catholic church when I was 3, now that I'm born again I'm getting baptized next month. I'm so excited!
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that's good news...exciting times for you in the joy and love of the Lord.
it's awesome in that the choice to be baptized is because you are born again. the witness of the Spirit is with you to know Christ in power.
i think your baptism has already begun.
hallelujah
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