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Hey guys. I had a question for you, I am in the denomination Disciples of Christ, and I have not been baptized since I was a baby. My question to you all is do I have to be baptized again, or was the one baptism good enough?

I do want to hear your opinions, but I also would like to see some scripture if it is possible to back up what you are saying (not necessary because I DO want to hear your opinions too.)
 

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NFSteelers said:
Hey guys. I had a question for you, I am in the denomination Disciples of Christ, and I have not been baptized since I was a baby. My question to you all is do I have to be baptized again, or was the one baptism good enough?

I do want to hear your opinions, but I also would like to see some scripture if it is possible to back up what you are saying (not necessary because I DO want to hear your opinions too.)

Well , I thought that Luther and Calvin thought that people who wanted to be anabaptists ( baptized after being forcefully infant baptized ) should be burned to death .

As far as I am concerned , you can throw water on yourself every day or every hour and call them all "baptisms" . After all , getting wet removes sin . One cannot be too sinless .
 
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I would say be baptised again.

Only because as an infant you had no knowledge of what is going on, and in scriptures it shows only those who had repented (turned from sin) were baptised.

If you have repented, then be baptised with the knowledge of why you are doing it.
 
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All I will say is that the NT model of baptism is always faith/repentance and then baptism.

There is never an explicit case where baptism preceeds faith. There are those who would argue in favor of infant baptism as a covenant sign. However, I would not be one of those.

I was baptised as an adult and I have to tell you that it was one of the most rewarding experiences of my Christian walk.
 
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NFSteelers said:
Hey guys. I had a question for you, I am in the denomination Disciples of Christ, and I have not been baptized since I was a baby. My question to you all is do I have to be baptized again, or was the one baptism good enough?

I do want to hear your opinions, but I also would like to see some scripture if it is possible to back up what you are saying (not necessary because I DO want to hear your opinions too.)

Before one is water baptized, they must first have been spiritually 'born-again' according to Jn.3:3-8

Many churches teach that one is born-again by just believing. Without any further evidence of spiritual regeneration.

When one is 'born-again' of the Holy Spirit there is a sudden change of character for the good. There is a zeal to learn God's word and a zeal to obey every command that Jesus issued to us in the New Testament.

Granted, it is difficult to see a dramatic change for the good in a young person brought up in a very Christ-like home, who is making a claim of having been recently born-again. It is very much apparent if that young person has come from a very sin filled home.

If you have had such an experience of having been born-again, then it would be scriptural to follow through with the command to be baptized (Mt.28:19).

This public demonstration shows that you have already been born-again spiritually and are now showing this publically.
 
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Baptism:

Infant baptism is not scriptural and was actually created in the 1400 or 1500 hundreds by the catholic church.

Book of JOhn chapter 3: tells us that to be born again we must be baptized by water and spirit!

Baptism is an outward symbol or our belief and the renewing our of our minds.
Corinthians talks to s about how, when we are buried under water it burries the old self, and when we come up out of the water, we are cleansed.

Our Messiah was baptized at the age of 33 when he began his ministry as an outward acceptance of His Father's will for his life and to let us know that he was and is our Messiah!

Edouard
May God Jesus and the Holy Spirit convict your heart and mind :)
 
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Stinker said:
Before one is water baptized, they must first have been spiritually 'born-again' according to Jn.3:3-8

Many churches teach that one is born-again by just believing. Without any further evidence of spiritual regeneration.

When one is 'born-again' of the Holy Spirit there is a sudden change of character for the good. There is a zeal to learn God's word and a zeal to obey every command that Jesus issued to us in the New Testament.

Granted, it is difficult to see a dramatic change for the good in a young person brought up in a very Christ-like home, who is making a claim of having been recently born-again. It is very much apparent if that young person has come from a very sin filled home.

If you have had such an experience of having been born-again, then it would be scriptural to follow through with the command to be baptized (Mt.28:19).

This public demonstration shows that you have already been born-again spiritually and are now showing this publically.

Stinker,

I would beg to differ with your understanding of how one is born again. According to Romans 6:3-11, one is born again -- dies to sin, becomes freed from it, and becomes alive to God DURING baptism -- NOT before.

How much of a "public demonstration" was the eunuch's baptism in Acts 8:35-39? It seems that Philip was the only person there . . . and he baptized the eunuch.

Let's discuss this.

In His service, :bow:
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NFSteelers said:
Hey guys. I had a question for you, I am in the denomination Disciples of Christ, and I have not been baptized since I was a baby. My question to you all is do I have to be baptized again, or was the one baptism good enough?

I do want to hear your opinions, but I also would like to see some scripture if it is possible to back up what you are saying (not necessary because I DO want to hear your opinions too.)

Consider who is a candidate for baptism:
1.) Those who believe (Mark 16:16)
2.) Those who repent of their sins (Acts 2:38)
3.) Those who confess Jesus (Rom. 10:9-10, Acts 8:35-39)

Now ask yourself, can an infant believe that Jesus is both Lord and Christ (Acts 2:36), repent of sins, and confess Jesus as Lord? If they can, then they can be Scripturally baptized in the name of the Lord. However, if they cannot, they can NOT be Scripturally baptized.

As far as one being re-baptized, consider Acts 18:24 through 19:5. Some disciples had only been baptized with the baptism of John (which was NO longer applicable). They were baptized again -- this time in the name of the Lord (see Acts 2:38 and Acts 10:47-48).

I hope this helps set you on the right path in your journey through life.
 
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Edouard said:
Baptism:

Infant baptism is not scriptural and was actually created in the 1400 or 1500 hundreds by the catholic church.

Book of JOhn chapter 3: tells us that to be born again we must be baptized by water and spirit!

Baptism is an outward symbol or our belief and the renewing our of our minds.
Corinthians talks to s about how, when we are buried under water it burries the old self, and when we come up out of the water, we are cleansed.

Our Messiah was baptized at the age of 33 when he began his ministry as an outward acceptance of His Father's will for his life and to let us know that he was and is our Messiah!

Edouard
May God Jesus and the Holy Spirit convict your heart and mind :)

Um... I think infant baptism has been around since at least the 4th century, around the time of Augustine, who wrote that even babes are born in sin and need to be cleansed from sin, which is more or less where the idea of baptism=forgiveness of sins comes in... because even then, there was a high mortality rate, and the question was raised as to whether or not babies (who are not baptised) are allowed into Heaven. The Orthodox church practices infant baptism also, which is further proof that it is something that's been around since the early years of the church...

The understanding that Calvin had (and possibly Luther, though I'll have to get back to you on that) is more of a covenental understanding, where baptism is the external sign (sacrament) of the new covenant people (the church, Gentiles who are allowed to join with Israel as the spiritual descendants of Abraham)... Where circumcision is the sign of the people Israel, baptism is the sign of the people of the Messiah/Christ.

It is also explained that circumcision happens 8 days after a male child is born, before the child can choose to be obedient to God or not, and Romans 2 explains that circumcision does not make one a part of the spiritual Israel, who are God's chosen people, but rather that a true Israelite is one who is circumcised inwardly, in their hearts. Yet, the understanding among Jews is that if you are born a Jew, you are a Jew and are thus circumcised as a Jew. It is part of your identity. As the people of the New Covenant, Calvin and those who follow him suggest that baptism has the same effect, and also that we are to raise up these babies in the truth, which is the Gospel... The baby/child is now part of the Covenant people of God, but must be held accountible by the church to live up to their baptism and salvation, thus legitimizing the children who are raised in the church and give their hearts to Jesus before they are 12 or 13... I was actually discussing this with a Presbyterian friend of mine who explained this to me, and it makes sense.

The anabaptist and holiness traditions, on the other hand, do stress the need to rebaptism... which by looking at the majority of responses on this thread, my guess would be that the majority of the people here come from one of these traditions, where baptism is only given to those who confess Christ as Lord and are old enough... This is not a bad thing, by far, as I personally view baptism as an external sign of something that has already happened. I believe that baptism in and of itself really does not mean anything, but rather is a symbol of something that actually has happened.

NFSteelers, to be honest, I don't think it really matters whether you are baptized again or not. What matters is that you are obedient to Christ and that you continue following HIM, proclaiming the Kingdom in all that you do, using words when necessary. If you are convicted in your heart that this obedience means being baptized again, then be baptized again. If not, then do not. Remember, there are legitimate believers on both sides of the debate, who can argue using scripture to back up their points. The important thing is that you are obedient and that you walk in the assurance and confidence that the LORD is pleased with you, whatever the choice and conviction happens to be. Go with God, my brother.
 
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Highland Watchman said:
Um... I think infant baptism has been around since at least the 4th century, around the time of Augustine, who wrote that even babes are born in sin and need to be cleansed from sin, which is more or less where the idea of baptism=forgiveness of sins comes in...

The idea that "baptism=forgiveness of sin" actually is based on Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, Romans 6:3-11, and 1 Peter 3:21.
 
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Hey guys. I had a question for you, I am in the denomination Disciples of Christ, and I have not been baptized since I was a baby. My question to you all is do I have to be baptized again, or was the one baptism good enough?

I do want to hear your opinions, but I also would like to see some scripture if it is possible to back up what you are saying (not necessary because I DO want to hear your opinions too.)
I really think that this is a question that you can answer for your self if you do a little reading, thinking and praying about it on your own. What does Baptism symbolize? I suggest that you read and spend some time meditating on Romans Chapter 6. Paul discusses the symbolism of baptism very well. Once you understand what Baptism is about, you should be able to answer the question for yourself.

I am not trying to just blow you off by responding this way. As a Pastor, when someone comes to me seeking baptism I question them about their understanding of the meaning of Baptism, why they want to be baptized, and what they think Baptism will mean in their life. If they can't tell me, or they don't understand it, I won't baptize them. I even did this with my own children. I believe that a proper understanding of the meaning and symbolism of Baptism is that important in the life of a believer.
 
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When you were a baby you were not aware of what was going on so I suggest according to the Bible that you have it done now that you know you are saved and know what is going on.


Read Romans 6 Dead to sin, Alive in Christ.

verse 11

In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Jesus Christ.

Water baptism after salvation is a public confession to the world that you have put to death the sinful nature when you go under the water and when you come out it is symbolic of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

It tells the world that you are starting a new life making Christ your new Master and putting to death the sinful nature which you were born into from the sin of Adam. The sinful nature or your fleshly desires used to be your master but now Jesus is. Make sure when you do it that your heart is into it and you don't just do it for the heck of it.

Acts 2:38

Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit.

In the first-century believers who came to salvation were baptized in water. Remember Jesus was baptized as well so why would we not want to do as our Savior did. You don't have to do it but it is a very moving experience and it is a public confession to the world that Jesus is your Lord and Savior.

Good Luck and have a great day. :)
 
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Dmckay said:
I really think that this is a question that you can answer for your self if you do a little reading, thinking and praying about it on your own. What does Baptism symbolize? I suggest that you read and spend some time meditating on Romans Chapter 6. Paul discusses the symbolism of baptism very well. Once you understand what Baptism is about, you should be able to answer the question for yourself.

I am not trying to just blow you off by responding this way. As a Pastor, when someone comes to me seeking baptism I question them about their understanding of the meaning of Baptism, why they want to be baptized, and what they think Baptism will mean in their life. If they can't tell me, or they don't understand it, I won't baptize them. I even did this with my own children. I believe that a proper understanding of the meaning and symbolism of Baptism is that important in the life of a believer.

Baptism is symbolic in the sense that it unites us with Jesus' death, burial and resurrection. However, there is more involved. In baptism we die to sin, are freed from it, and become alive to God (Romans 6:3-11). That explains how baptism washes away sins i.e. Acts 22:16, and how baptism saves us by giving us a good conscience through the resurrection of Christ (see 1 Peter 3:21).

Bottom line. Baptism is an act of faith in the working of God -- NOT man (Colossians 2:12-13).

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Amongst the Flock said:
When you were a baby you were not aware of what was going on so I suggest according to the Bible that you have it done now that you know you are saved and know what is going on.


Read Romans 6 Dead to sin, Alive in Christ.

verse 11

In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Jesus Christ.

Water baptism after salvation is a public confession to the world that you have put to death the sinful nature when you go under the water and when you come out it is symbolic of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

It tells the world that you are starting a new life making Christ your new Master and putting to death the sinful nature which you were born into from the sin of Adam. The sinful nature or your fleshly desires used to be your master but now Jesus is. Make sure when you do it that your heart is into it and you don't just do it for the heck of it.

Acts 2:38

Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit.

In the first-century believers who came to salvation were baptized in water. Remember Jesus was baptized as well so why would we not want to do as our Savior did. You don't have to do it but it is a very moving experience and it is a public confession to the world that Jesus is your Lord and Savior.

Good Luck and have a great day. :)

Just want to make a few quick observations:

1.) Take a closer look at Romans 6:3-11. It describes what occurs during baptism - - NOT before. Be sure to note verses 5-7 and 11. In essence, those passages point out that it is in baptism that we die to sin, are freed from it, and become alive to God.

2.) On a similar note, consider the phrase "for the remission of sins" in Acts 2:38. It is the same in the Koine Greek as it is in our English translations for the identical phrase that is in Matthew 26:28. Now, do we have our sins taken away BEFORE Jesus shed his blood? Now, consider that it is the same expression (for the remission of sins) under consideration in Acts 2:38.

3.) If we accept what occurs DURING baptism and the purpose for the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ (which, by the way, is NOT the same thing as the baptism of John that Jesus was baptized with), then we should be able to see how our sins are taken away in baptism -- it is because we are united with Jesus' death and His blood washes our sins away.
 
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NFSTEELER:

When Christ was baptised follow His course of Events.
1) Acknowledged His Father!
2) Accepted the Will of God!
3) The when Christ was Baptized, he received the Holy Spirit, publicly(interesting).
4) Then he began preaching!

What would be the events for a person to be baptized?
1) like many have already stated, John baptized with water - Christ baptized with water and Spirit!

*2) Acts & Romans repent of your sins!
3) Acknowledge Christ as Lord and Saviour
4) Follow His word and obey His teachings.
5) proclaim the Good News!!
6) When we are baptized we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit:)

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Highland WatchmenL:

1) I will look into the dating of infant baptism.

The question then is when does a child sin? Or is the child born of original sin, which is the view of catholic and lutheran (i dont know calvin). My personal background is church of christ - nondenominational. I also believe that a child is born perfect without sin! Jeremiah 1, and Genesis 1-3. God says his creation is good, until what? man sins.
then children are born into a sinful world. If a child is born of sin, how then can GOd create something pure, if knowing it will be sinful?

more indepth: IF all babies are born out of original sin; how then is Christ perfect?
reasoning Mary would have been born of sin! Keep in mind sex is not sinning when married!

Baptism is a command by the way.. Matthew 28.

The debate continues on how... :) we can thank man-made traditions for this.
Keep in mind there are no recordings of Christ baptising an infant in scripture.

Edouard
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In the event that you did not read what I posted in "Babies and Baptism, I will repost it. It presents my views.

To thouroughly understand the meaning of water baptism, we must look at the history and purpose of the water rite and see if it still applies today in the dispensation of Grace.

In Genesis 12:1-3, the promise to Abram was that the nations would be blessed through his seed (Isreal).

In Exodus 19, 3-6 God told Moses to tell the children of Israel that if they would obey His voice and keep His covenant, then they would be a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.

In Exodus 29:1-4 We have the establishment of the priesthood and the washing with water (baptism) was a requirement.

In 2Samuel7:13-16 we have the promise of an everlasting kingdom and throne.

In Matthew 3:1-2 we find John the Baptist preaching repentance and baptism and proclaiming that kingdom at hand (about to be set up).

(The dispensation of the Law was still in effect at this time and works were required to demonstrate faith. Therefore, salvation required believing, repenting and baptism. Baptism was the vehicle (work) that demonstrated faith. Further, I do believe that the water signified that one baptized became a member of "that nation of priests.")

In Matthew 3:11 John says the the One (Jesus) that was to follow him would baptize them with the Holy Ghost and with fire. The Holy Ghost baptism by Jesus did not require water. That could be accomplished by the laying on of hands as Acts 8:14-17 and 19-1-6 shows. However, those that did believe and were baptized in water at Pentecost did receive the Holy Ghost because they did as commanded in Acts 2:38.

In Matthew 4:23 we find Jesus preaching "the gospel of the kingdom"

In Matthew 10:5-7 we find Jesus COMMANDING His disciples to preach "the kingdom at hand" (about to be set up) to the Jews only.

Why to the Jews only? Because it was prophesied in Isaiah 42:6 that they were to be "for a light unto the Gentiles." Wasn't Abram promised that the nations (Gentiles) would be blessed through his seed (Israel) and didn't God tell Moses that if they kept the covenants of God that they would be "a nation of priests."

After the crucifiction of Christ Jesus gave the 11, the "so called" great commission. According to Luke 24:47, they were to begin at Jerusalem. Why? Because that is where Moses's seat was and the scribes and Pharisees sat in it, Mat23:2,3. How else could the nation of Israel be "a light unto the Gentiles" unless the leaders and children of Israel became that "nation of priest" by accepting their long promised Messiah. I doubt if the 12 could have done it all by themselves in their lifetime.

How did the leaders respond?. Well first they rejected God the Father when they refused to be baptizsed of John and ALLOWED him to be killed. Then they rejected God the Son when they DEMANNDED that Jesus be Crucified. Even after Peter gave them a second opportunity for Jesus and His kingdom to return (Acts 3:14-21) they rejected the Holy Ghost by KILLING (stoning) Stephen.

Now that the Jews, as a nation, rejected the Trinity, How could they be that "nation of priests" and a "light unto the Gentiles?" How could that "everlasting kingdom" be set up when they rejected the King. How could all the OT promises made to the Jewish fathers be fulfilled? They can't as long as the Jews do not recognize their King. The Jews, as a nation, do not recognize Jesus as their long promised Messiah, even to this day.

How is the "good news" of "the gospel of the kingdom" through the "so called" great commission going to now go to the nations now? Didn't the 12, that were commissioned to go to the nations, agree with Paul that he should go to the heathen (Gentiles) and that they would stay with the "circumcision" (Jews)? Are the 12 now out of the will of God? Wasn't Paul raised up to go to the Gentiles, kings and children of Israel? Why was there a need for Paul to be raised up to go the the entire world alone when there were already 12 commissioned to do so? Did Paul go about preaching "the gospel of the kingdom" (Law) and that "the kingdom at hand?" No!!! He never once offered the kingdom and the gospel he preached was "the gospel of the grace of God." Aren't Grace and Law opposite doctrines? He never once preached "repent and be baptize" as Peter did.

We learn from Romans 11:7-12, that Israel as been temporarily blinded until "the fulness of the Gentiles be come in" (rapture of Body of Christ) vs 25, and then "all Israel shall be saved; as it is written..." vs 26. After the rapture of the Church, the Blody of Christ, the dispensation of Grace will have ended and the dispensation of the Law will resume and the gospel of the kingdom will again be preached, "before the end come."

The "good news" of the gospel today is not "the kingdom is at hand" but salvation by "grace through faith" in the cross work of Christ. The Law was nailed to the cross and works are no longer required.

I said all of the above to show that the rite of water baptism was connected to the nation of Israel only. We learn from Hebrews 7 & 8 that the Aaronic/Levitical priesthood, with its washings (baptisms), was done away with. Christ is now our high priest after the order of Meschisedec, a Gentile priest. There is no water connected to that priesthood. Not once in Paul's Epistles does he require water baptism. Yes he did baptize a few but that was before he received the full knowlsedge of "the mystery."

Today according to Eph 4:5 there is only "one baptism." It is the baptism of 1Cor12:13 "For by one Spirit (Holy Spirit) are we all baptized into one body...." the Body of Christ (dry cleaned).`

I can see no reason or commandment for the water rite of baptism for the Body of Christ today. Yes it was a requirement under "the gospel of the kingdom."

God Bless.
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In addition to the above:

From the book "Common Questions About the Grace Messate" by Joel Finck.

9) WHY DON'T WE WATER BAPTIZE?

Nowhere in Paul’s epistles do you ever find instructions for us to be water baptized. Many recognize that Paul was given revelation from the Lord and that in fact, he writes directly to the churches and the church leaders, Timothy and Titus and to the saints of the Body of Christ. Yet, does it not strike you as a little strange that if we are supposed to be water baptizing that Paul never tells us to do it. He never tells us how it is supposed to be done, how it should be carried out, who should be doing it, etc.

Why is this? True Christianity is a faith which involves an inward reality, not outward ritual. And yet even as we write this, the vast majority of Christendom, has reverted back to the rituals of the Law and the Jewish Kingdom program.

Israel was a sign nation. God revealed to the Jewish people many outward shows of their faith. These involved sacrifices, water rituals and ceremonial washings, certain meats and drinks, observance of days, etc. All of these being designed to teach certain truths to the nation Israel. As one examines God’s spiritual program for this dispensation, however, as it is revealed to the Apostle of the Gentiles, the Apostle Paul, it soon becomes evident that these outward, visible manifestations of Israel’s religion, do not belong to the Church the Body of Christ. Indeed, they have no place in the practice of our faith in this dispensation. Amazingly, many churches would agree. They would say, of course, we do not observe those Jewish rituals. We have instead our own Christian rituals that we do! Many fail to realize that the so-called Christian ordinances and rituals actually can be traced back to the Jewish program for the nation Israel.

I Corinthians 1:17 says, “For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.” Water baptism is not a part of Paul’s commission. Later on we will discuss the Great Commission. One of the reasons many people teach that we should be water baptized is because it is a part of the Great Commission given to the Twelve Apostles. We will deal with that in depth later. But what we need to see here is the Apostle Peter and the other Eleven Apostles could not have said what Paul says here in I Corinthians 1, “Christ sent me not to baptize.” Peter would have been telling a lie if he had said this, because Christ did send him to baptize. “Go ye therefore, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 28:19). Paul was not operating under the commission given to the Twelve Apostles, and neither are we. That Commission was a Kingdom Commission.

Where did water baptism come from and who was the first person who practiced water baptism? Perhaps 99 out of 100 would answer, John the Baptist. He certainly
sounds like one who would be the first to baptize. His name is John the Baptist (or “baptizer”). Why was he called the baptizer? Was he doing something new? No, not at all. Hebrews 9:10 speaks of the “diverse washings” of the Old Testament tabernacle. In the Old Testament, every time you read of a washing at the door of the tabernacle, it is a “baptism”. For the word translated “washings” in Hebrews 9:10 is “baptizmos” or baptisms.

Baptisms did not begin with John the Baptist. He was just continuing that which had been practiced for hundreds of years.

Ephesians 4:3 says, “Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body...”

This is the Body of Christ. Then, in verse 5, Paul continues, “There is One Lord, one faith, one baptism...” This verse has probably been more obscured by theologians than any verse in the Bible. It is not that they have never read it, but that they fail to grasp Paul’s point.

When we search the Scriptures we find that there are as many as twelve baptisms. Some of these are water baptisms of the Law, others are spiritual in nature. In Matthew 3:11, John the Baptist said, “I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire.” Right here in this context we see three baptisms - water, Holy Spirit and fire.

Yet, Paul says there is one baptism! Did Paul not know the Scriptures? Of course he did, but Paul is speaking in the context of the Body of Christ and his conclusion is that while there are many baptisms in the Bible - twelve or more - only one of them pertains to us in this dispensation of the Grace of God. Which one do you suppose it is?

I Corinthians 12:12, 13 says, “For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body.”

Here is a spiritual baptism. This baptism has no water whatsoever. It is performed by the Holy Spirit of God. It happens the moment you believe the gospel of Christ’s death, burial and resurrection. The Holy Spirit supernaturally baptizes you into the Body of Christ.

Another translation of the word “baptize” is the word “identify”, because that is what happens when we are saved. We become identified with Christ. What three things did we believe in order to be saved? His death, His burial and His resurrection. What three things are we identified with when we trust him? His death, His burial and His resurrection.

This is what Paul is speaking of in Romans 6. Many a fundamentalist preacher is very adamant that this is not a water baptism. And yet, it seems as though by the time they dance all around the subject of baptism, they finally managed to squeeze a few drops of water out of Romans 6. Why is this? It is an attempt to prove a point which cannot be proven from Scripture. Romans 6:3, “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ...” When you believed the gospel the Holy Spirit identified you with Christ. What happened then? “...as many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?” You became identified with the death of Christ. What is so important about that? The Scripture says, “All have sinned and come short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23). Furthermore it says, “the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23). That is spiritual death as well as physical death. Because we are sinful, we must die. We must pay the penalty of sin with our life. But this is what the gospel is all about. Christ came and paid the penalty of sin by dying for us. Therefore, when you believe the gospel, you are baptized or identified with Jesus Christ, and therefore you are baptized into His death. This means you no longer must die spiritually for your sins, because His death is accounted to you. It now belongs to you. And you, therefore, have eternal life. This is the gospel message.

But not only are we identified with His death, verse 4 says, “Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death.” This is the verse where many get the idea
that believers should be dunked under water. They assume that since we are buried, we should, therefore, be put in a “watery grave.” But this not only misses the point, it actually totally destroys the meaning that Paul is trying to show. He is not saying you were buried in water. He says you were buried with Christ. His burial becomes your burial by virtue of your baptism into His death. Paul is building on that truth now. Not only are you identified with His death (you no longer have to die for your sins), but you are buried with Him as well.

What is the importance of the burial of Christ? First, it shows Christ really died. You do not bury people who are not dead. He was truly dead and therefore, He was
buried. But it also pictures the putting away of sin. When Christ rose from that grave, our sins stayed buried. This is the imagery that God wants us to see. The fact that we are identified with His death relieves us from having to die for our sins. The fact that we are buried with Him means that those sins are done away with, and finally, weare identified with His resurrection, because of spiritual baptism!

Finally, verse 4 goes on to say, “...that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
Because of our identification with Christ, we now have the spiritual equipment by the Holy Spirit to live the Christian life. This is what spiritual baptism is all about.
Why would we trade all this for a water ceremony?

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PART 3

10) WHY WAS JESUS BAPTIZED?

Why was Christ baptized? Most assume that if He did it, surely we should do it, too. Let us consider why Christ was baptized in His own words. John the Baptist had this same question on his mind when Christ came to be baptized of him. John said, “Why are you coming to be baptized by me? I need to be baptized by you!” Why
would John have said that? Because at that time, water baptism was associated with cleansing from sin (see Mark 1:4). John knew that Christ had no sin, so he is wondering why Christ would need to be baptized. Notice the Lord’s answer: Matthew 3:13-15, “Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? And Jesus answering said unto him, ‘Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness.’ Then he suffered him.”

What did the Lord mean when He said “it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness”? Why did Christ come to the nation of Israel? Did He come to destroy the Law with its ordinances or to do away with the prophets? Christ Himself said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the Law or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil” (Matthew 5:17). The Lord Jesus Christ, the perfect Son of God, came to identify with the human race and in particular with the nation of Israel. In doing so, He submitted Himself to all of the laws of the nation of Israel, including the water washings or baptisms. In order to identify with sinners, even though He was sinless, He
partook of this water washing which symbolized a cleansing for the nation of Israel. He came and partook of the same so He would become one with them. Furthermore, it is interesting to note that water baptism was required for the priestly tribe when they were initiated into the priesthood (Exodus 40:12). Priests were to enter the ministry at thirty years of age, which is exactly how old Christ was when He entered His earthly ministry and became water baptized according to the Law of Moses. We are not under the Law today. The Lord Jesus Christ was circumcised on the eighth day in the temple, He worshipped at the temple, and He partook of the Jewish feasts. Are we to do all of those things today? Of course not. We are not under the law, therefore, we are not subject to the water washings of the Old Testament law.

Another verse which shows why Jesus was baptized is John 1:29-31, “The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.” John’s baptism was to manifest Christ to Israel. How would the baptism of Christ reveal Him to Israel? God had told John to watch for the Spirit to descend like a dove. As he baptized, the One on whom the Spirit descended and remained, would be identified as the Messiah. “And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost” (John 1:33).

11) IF WATER BAPTISM WAS A PART OF THE JEWISH LAW, AND IF IT'S REALLY NOT INTENDED FOR US, AND IF GOD HAS GIVEN US A SPIRITUAL BAPTISM, WHY DID PAUL BAPTIZE?

Why did Paul baptize? I Corinthians 13:12 gives us a principle which will help us to understand why Paul baptized with water in his early ministry. “For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part.” What is Paul talking about? When he wrote I Corinthians, he had only received a small portion of the full revelation that would eventually be given to him. There came a time when God did reveal the fullness of the mystery to the Apostle Paul. But when he wrote I Corinthians, he said he only knew in part. This explains why Paul continued a Jewish practice as long as he did.

We can pinpoint when Paul stopped baptizing according to Scriptures. In Acts 18 at Corinth, Paul water baptized. He refers to this in I Corinthians 1:14-16, “I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.”

Paul had gotten a revelation concerning water baptism between Acts 18 and when he wrote I Corinthians. This is a space of about two years. We can pinpoint that
during that two year period Paul received further revelation that water baptism was not a part of his commission for this Dispensation of Grace. This is what we call progressive revelation. By the time he wrote I Corinthians, Paul could confidently state, “For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel” (I Corinthians 1:17). God did not give the whole program to Paul all at one time. He progressively revealed it. And Paul did what any of us would do if we wanted to be faithful to the Lord. As we learn, we change. We practice what we know to practice until we learn otherwise. And when Paul learned that water baptism was not a part of this dispensation, there is not one more instance of Paul baptizing anyone after that time.

12) WHAT HARM IS THERE IN WATER BAPTISM?

Many recognize and understand that water baptism does not save us. They understand that we are not under the law. But really, what harm is there in going through this little ceremony? The most obvious danger is trusting in baptism rather than trusting in Christ. There are many churches today which teach salvation by baptism. We call this doctrine “Baptismal Regeneration”. Major denominations teach that the way to be saved is to be baptized with water. Why is this dangerous? Many young people are baptized with water as a child and as they grow, they are taught this took away their original sin. Or they are taught that this baptism places them into the Kingdom of God. This is tragic and it flies in the face of what Paul taught. “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast” (Ephesians 2:8, 9).

Many evangelical, fundamental churches do not teach salvation by baptism, but they will not allow you to be a member of their church unless you have been baptized. God will accept you, but they will not. Some will “sort of” accept you, but you are not considered to be in the will of God if you do not do it.

Others would say baptism is just an outward sign of an inward reality, and that being dunked in water pictures what we believe. We believe we have been buried with Christ. We believe we have been raised again and baptism is said to be a ceremony to show this. But we should ask “Why?” Where does the word of God ever tell us that baptism is to show someone you are saved? The fact is it doesn’t. Many point to Romans 6, which is not referring to water baptism at all (see question #9).

The harm, aside from the danger of clinging to baptism as your point of salvation, is the shadow water baptism casts on the message of the gospel. Colossians 2:8 says, “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”

Paul says to “beware”. Some would try to strip something from you, steal something from you. This is what is meant by the word “spoil”. But what is it they want to steal from us? Verse 9 says, “For in him [Christ] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” And in verse 10, “And ye are complete in him.” We are complete in Him! What can you add to that? Baptism? A water washing? A ceremony? We are complete in Him. What does this say if we say we are saved, but yet there is a next step, if you want to really have everything - be baptized. What is that saying about your salvation? It is saying that something is missing. But Paul wrote that we are complete IN HIM! The Jew would ask, “Don’t I need to be circumcised?” Verse 11 answers, “In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands. In putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ.” Many today would ask, “Don’t we need to be baptized?”

Verse 12 answers, “Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.” Paul’s message is that you do not need to be circumcised, you do not need to be baptized, because you already are! You are complete in Christ. You already have these things. To go back and do them for a religious purpose casts a reflection on the finished work of Christ. It is as though you are saying you really do not believe that what Christ did was quite good enough, and that it set me in perfectly good standing with God, so you are going to add just a little bit more to it. Water baptism casts a reflection on the finished work of Christ, and this is why it is dangerous!

Paul goes on to illustrate it in verse 14, “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us.” Baptism was an ordinance. Many churches will tell you
there are ordinances for today. Scripture says there are not. They have been blotted out. Verse 16 says, “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [the substance, the real thing] is of Christ.”

Baptism was a shadow - Christ is the real thing. Which would you rather have? Paul says in Christ you already have the real thing. Do not go back to the shadow. Do not go back to that which has no substance. Glory in Christ. He is the real thing! If you told your son to carry out the trash and told your daughter to do the dishes, would they be considered obedient children if your son would do the dishes and your daughter would carry out the trash? No, we might commend them for doing something, but they really could not be obedient if they did not do what you told them to do. In the final analysis, we would have to conclude they were unfaithful servants. This is a simple illustration and yet in essence, it describes what the church has been doing or trying to do for the last 2,000 years. By and large, the church has been trying to carry out the final instructions of our Lord to the Twelve Apostles, often known as the Great Commission. One of the common questions which arises when we talk about the unique and distinctive message committed to the Apostle Paul is the question:

Question 13. AREN'T WE SUPPOSED TO BE CARRYING OUT THE GREAT COMMISSION: (SNIP)

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