Baptism V.S. The Trinity

[Afraid2Shine]

I noticed some discrepancies when it comes to baptizing in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit v.s. being baptized in Jesus Christ name only.

Why is it only mentioned once to be baptized in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and then baptized in Jesus Christ name is mentioned 6 times.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:



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Acts 2:38 NKJV Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.


Acts 8:12 NKJV
But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.


Acts 10:46-48 NKJV
For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God. Then Peter answered, “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have? ” And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.


Acts 19:5 NKJV
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.


Romans 6:3 NKJV
Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?


Galatians 3:27 NKJV
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

 

[Hammster]

Is this a serious inquiry, or are you making an argument.

 

[now faith]

I noticed some discrepancies when it comes to baptizing in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit v.s. being baptized in Jesus Christ name only.

Why is it only mentioned once to be baptized in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and then baptized in Jesus Christ name is mentioned 6 times.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:



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Acts 2:38 NKJV Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.


Acts 8:12 NKJV
But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.


Acts 10:46-48 NKJV
For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God. Then Peter answered, “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have? ” And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.


Acts 19:5 NKJV
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.


Romans 6:3 NKJV
Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?


Galatians 3:27 NKJV
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


Acts 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. 9:18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized. 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Well you posted a good question,could it be when water Baptism is proclaimed in the name of the Father,Son and Holy Ghost,
That does away with the Baptism of the Holy Ghost?

Granted it would be a simple way to forget the verses I posted,one dunk and you have all there is.

Yet when you speak of Christ you are also speaking of the God head,one God three persons.

This would reconcile Matt.28 verse 18,and remove nothing from the God head by saying: I Baptize you in the name of Jesus.

 

[now faith]

BRITANICA ENCYCLO. – The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son & Holy Ghost by Catholic Church in the second century. 11th Edition, Vol 3, page 365-366.


Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

 

[98cwitr]

All are one

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

BRITANICA ENCYCLO. – The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son & Holy Ghost by Catholic Church in the second century. 11th Edition, Vol 3, page 365-366.

That is far from accurate and I find whatever source you found that from dubious. The Trinity has always been part of the baptismal formula.

 

[Afraid2Shine]

Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


Acts 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. 9:18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized. 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Well you posted a good question,could it be when water Baptism is proclaimed in the name of the Father,Son and Holy Ghost,
That does away with the Baptism of the Holy Ghost?

Granted it would be a simple way to forget the verses I posted,one dunk and you have all there is.

Yet when you speak of Christ you are also speaking of the God head,one God three persons.

This would reconcile Matt.28 verse 18,and remove nothing from the God head by saying: I Baptize you in the name of Jesus.

I read what you are saying but I'm more interested in being baptized "in" the name of Christ not "with" the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 3:11 KJV

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Christ will baptize us with the Holy Ghost.

1 Corinthians 12:12-13 KJV

For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

We were baptized in one body?

 

[Afraid2Shine]

BRITANICA ENCYCLO. – The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son & Holy Ghost by Catholic Church in the second century. 11th Edition, Vol 3, page 365-366.


Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

The weird thing about that. When this was first brought to my attention while studying Catholicism came to my mind.

 

[Afraid2Shine]

Is this a serious inquiry, or are you making an argument.

More like I'm confused

 

[Alithis]

More like I'm confused

for most , i believe (and certainly for me )it is a "non issue" , for i was baptized using the words .. "in the name of the father and of the son ,Jesus-the Christ and of the Holy Spirit.."

If you refer to John ch 1 vs 1 to 6 ..you will find that Jesus (Yeshua) is the words that God spoke out from his own heart ...
in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was GOD -
later you will find that in the same chapter that it is written that-" the "WORD" became flesh" (John is testifying - he is a witness of what he actually witnessed in person and experienced in person - he is not witnessing to some one elses testimony.
ie- he heard them say it so he is repeating it - that is not a "witness" that is hearsay .

Now in the bible given you to study ..you will find it reads in John ch 1 vs 1-6
that the word was with god and the words was "A" god .
this sadly is untrue and impossible - because in the Greek text the article "A" -SIMPLY DOES NOT EXIST ..
some one did not understand how it could be, so they added a word . this is very sad and has led many to confusion . You cannot add a word into the text when it does not exist in the first place .

this being the case we see that Jesus is the words spoken from Gods heart ,, he is God speaking and as such is God manifest to us ..since then he is the manifestation of the invisible God in a form we can see and comprehend
he(Jesus) is exactly what he himself said he is.. when he stated "I and the father are one " and again when he said ."before Abraham was "I am"

and so we return to the questions answer - if the father and the son are one

then it is a non issue - for a person only gets baptized in full immersion(burial) because they have believed n the name of the Lord Jesus as the one who was with God and came from God and returned to God as he is the word of God from the heart of God .and as it is Jesus they believe in and the name of JESUS is the reason they are being baptized -it is of no mater which particular words the person baptizes them uses ..
father son and holy Spirit or the name of Jesus - for they are one .

 

[now faith]

That is far from accurate and I find whatever source you found that from dubious. The Trinity has always been part of the baptismal formula.

I found that on line,I agree on the Trinity being part of the formula.

GOD,Son,Holy,Ghost are one and without the Son you cannot fellowship with God nor Holy Spirit.

In the book of Acts we have baptism in the name of Jesus ,yet through him all are one.

 

[now faith]

More like I'm confused

Well no need to be confused,yon can look up the terminology on line.

When you think of salvation,it is Christ who made a way for us to come before God,the same spirit who raised Christ dwells in US.

I reckon ether way is fine since Christ saved us yet they are one.

 

[Afraid2Shine]

Sorry duplicate

 

[Alithis]

Sorry duplicate

duplicate also .. and not sorry lol.

-for most , i believe (and certainly for me )it is a "non issue" , for i was baptized using the words .. "in the name of the father and of the son ,Jesus-the Christ and of the Holy Spirit.."

If you refer to John ch 1 vs 1 to 6 ..you will find that Jesus (Yeshua) is the words that God spoke out from his own heart ...
in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was GOD -
later you will find that in the same chapter that it is written that-" the "WORD" became flesh" (John is testifying - he is a witness of what he actually witnessed in person and experienced in person - he is not witnessing to some one elses testimony.
ie- he heard them say it so he is repeating it - that is not a "witness" that is hearsay .

Now in the bible given you to study ..you will find it reads in John ch 1 vs 1-6
that the word was with god and the words was "A" god .
this sadly is untrue and impossible - because in the Greek text the article "A" -SIMPLY DOES NOT EXIST ..
some one did not understand how it could be, so they added a word . this is very sad and has led many to confusion . You cannot add a word into the text when it does not exist in the first place .

this being the case we see that Jesus is the words spoken from Gods heart ,, he is God speaking and as such is God manifest to us ..since then he is the manifestation of the invisible God in a form we can see and comprehend
he(Jesus) is exactly what he himself said he is.. when he stated "I and the father are one " and again when he said ."before Abraham was "I am"

and so we return to the questions answer - if the father and the son are one

then it is a non issue - for a person only gets baptized in full immersion(burial) because they have believed n the name of the Lord Jesus as the one who was with God and came from God and returned to God as he is the word of God from the heart of God .and as it is Jesus they believe in and the name of JESUS is the reason they are being baptized -it is of no mater which particular words the person baptizes them uses ..
father son and holy Spirit or the name of Jesus - for they are one .

 

[yogosans14]

Oh i see your a JW, you guys baptize in the name of the Father, son, and "gods spirit directed organization"

The correct baptism is The father, son, and holy spirit.

 

[busdriver72]

This is interesting. I didn't know there were special words that had to be spoken during baptism, and that they had to be spoken right or the baptism doesn't "stick?". It requires a "formula"...really?" I don't recall what the preacher said when he baptized me. Gee, I hope on judgment day the Lord doesn't say "Well, the preacher didn't use the right words...so you're going to hell!" :o
I thought the key factor was the heart and faith of the one being baptized submitting and dedicating themselves to being a follower of Christ.
I personally think that the words spoken by the one doing the baptism is not what gives baptism its "power" (for lack of a better word.)
Having been in ministry for 20 years I recently sat down and did a long, systematic, Biblical study of baptism. The best word I could come up with to describe it is "identifier." I also saw that different Biblical writers (and individuals within the Scriptures) had different things to say about it. The theology of baptism sort of evolved and grew within the Scriptures. From a Biblical standpoint it is very broad in meaning.
Matthew 3:1-6 1. It is an identifier of someone who has believed and has willingly turned from a life that dishonors God.
Matt 3:13-15 2. It is an identifier of someone who has believed and is willing to do whatever God says is right.
Matt 28:18-20 3. It is an identifier of someone who has committed to folllowing Christ as a disciple who wants to keep His teachings.
Romans 6:1-5 4. It is an identifier of someone who has been changed by the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

 

[Afraid2Shine]

Oh i see your a JW, you guys baptize in the name of the Father, son, and "gods spirit directed organization"

The correct baptism is The father, son, and holy spirit.

I am not Jehovah Witness actually

 

[MrJim]

I am not Jehovah Witness actually

You should consider changing your icon then...

 

[Afraid2Shine]

So far the only thing I am getting from everyone response is Christianity is a fraud. No one can give me a intelligent response. Its like your trying to speak to a kindergartener. I have been studying and reading for 18 years. This is extremely frustrating. I know alll about Greek/Hebrew definitions and meanings. Please stop wasting my time with all this fake nonsense you have been getting from your pastor. People who actually read the bible need to respond to this

 

[Keachian]

I noticed some discrepancies when it comes to baptizing in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit v.s. being baptized in Jesus Christ name only.

Why is it only mentioned once to be baptized in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and then baptized in Jesus Christ name is mentioned 6 times.

Is the Shem of Jesus Christ anything different than the Shem of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?