GodsWordisTrue said:Righteous enough to have his sins remitted/to be saved/to have eternal life.
But the Bible says those who believe are saved, those who believe have remission of sins. It doesn't say, "Those who believe have remission of some sins and baptism takes care of the rest."
Doc T said:I believe that when the Bible speaks of those who believe will be saved or have a remission of their sins, it is because those who believed would subsequently be baptized.
Doc
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GodsWordisTrue said:You're dodging my inquiry.
GodsWordisTrue said:Is there a remission of sins without baptism? Surely you know the answer.
GodsWordisTrue said:If you have been baptized, don't you know why you were baptized?
Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.Doc T said:
Yes, I answered this question once. Faith, repentance, baptism and reciept of the Holy Ghost, bring about remission of sins.
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Doc T said:
Perhaps it is because I am not understanding your inquires.
Yes, I answered this question once. Faith, repentance, baptism and reciept of the Holy Ghost, bring about remission of sins.
I do, do you?
Doc
GodsWordisTrue said:I get it. So you believe all four of those are necessary in order to have your sins remitted.
GodsWordisTrue said:I was baptized because my sins were remitted the moment I was saved. The baptism was a sign to all present that I had become a Christian. But it is the blood, as Shawn pointed out, that remits our sins, not the baptism.
Doc T said:
Yes
I was saved when I accepted Christ, was baptized and received the baptism of fire; entered into a covenant with Christ by which my sins were remitted because of Christ's blood.
Doc
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GodsWordisTrue said:But you claimed you had to be baptized and confirmed in order to have your sins remitted. So according to Mormonism, or at least according to Doc, only Mormons can have their sins remitted.
Ran77 said:I think it is more accurate to say: Anyone can have their sins remitted, but only those that are members of God's Church have had them remitted.
GodsWordisTrue said:But you claimed you had to be baptized and confirmed in order to have your sins remitted. So according to Mormonism, or at least according to Doc, only Mormons can have their sins remitted.
Doc T said:
No, I said that I was "saved when I accepted Christ, was baptized and received the baptism of fire; entered into a covenant with Christ by which my sins were remitted because of Christ's blood". I said nothing about Mormonism.
Doc
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Doc T said:
No, I said that I was "saved when I accepted Christ, was baptized and received the baptism of fire; entered into a covenant with Christ by which my sins were remitted because of Christ's blood". I said nothing about Mormonism.
Doc
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GodsWordisTrue said:I said:
'So according to Mormonism, or at least according to Doc, only Mormons can have their sins remitted."
You are saying:
Anyone can have their sins remitted, but only those that are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have had them remitted.
Ran77 said:No. I am saying: Anyone can have their sins remitted, but only those that are members of God's Church have had them remitted.
In this dispensation I believe that God's Church is represented by the LDS Church. I believe it contains the same doctrine as God's Church during Christ's time. And I believe that it represents the same authority as God's Church during Adam's time.
GodsWordisTrue said:IOW, according to your beliefs, those here who do not belong to your church have not had their sins remitted. You're welcome to your opinion.
You are pretty close in my opinion. But you are missing one important thing. We believe are church is Christ's church, and it is only through His church on Earth that one can be saved, in whatever form it may take. From Adam, to the Abrahamic covenant, to the Mosiac law, they were all Christ's Church and the only way to reach the Kingdom of heaven and to gain eternal life with God, His Only Begotten, and His Holy Spirit. If you are not part of Christ's flock, you will not be saved.Sven1967 said:So would you say that a person can have everlasting/eternal life without ever having any connection to the LDS Church or Mormonism?
Sven
Visage of Glory said:You are pretty close in my opinion. But you are missing one important thing. We believe are church is Christ's church, and it is only through His church on Earth that one can be saved, in whatever form it may take. From Adam, to the Abrahamic covenant, to the Mosiac law, they were all Christ's Church and the only way to reach the Kingdom of heaven and to gain eternal life with God, His Only Begotten, and His Holy Spirit. If you are not part of Christ's flock, you will not be saved.
This is what I get when I read the above : "Jesus doesn't save, the Mormon church does."Visage of Glory said:You are pretty close in my opinion. But you are missing one important thing. We believe are church is Christ's church, and it is only through His church on Earth that one can be saved, in whatever form it may take. From Adam, to the Abrahamic covenant, to the Mosiac law, they were all Christ's Church and the only way to reach the Kingdom of heaven and to gain eternal life with God, His Only Begotten, and His Holy Spirit. If you are not part of Christ's flock, you will not be saved.
And you dont think this is important?skylark1 said:
Baptism symbolizes death to our old sinful way of life....to the power of sin over us. "Burial" in the water represents uniting with Christ in his death and burial. Coming up from the water symbolizes that we are resurrected to new life with Christ. We are no longer slaves to sin, but are free to choose to live for Christ.
Sven1967 said:We differ in one very important (well, probably more than one) issue. I believe that the "restoration" was not necessary, therefore, those who follow the teachings of the inventor of the LDS, are going against the church that God planted on this earth. The natural conclusion is if one must be a member of the Church of the Lamb of God, then God's Church does not, did not and will not need to be "restored." The whole doctrine of the LDS church and its splinter groups is based on the concept that God chose to let His church fall into the hands of Satan. I, personally do not believe that he allowed His son to be our sacrifice in the fullness of time only to have his work erode within a few decades.
Sven
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