Baptism is a work.

[Bible Highlighter]

The Canaanite woman was not looking to be saved, she was looking to get a healing blessing from Jesus for her daughter.

She got it thru blessing Israel, that was my point.

I did not say she was looking to be saved.

 

[Guojing]

I did not say she was looking to be saved.

You forgot your conclusion?

Okay, first, she did not acknowledge she was a puppy but a dog. Second, the point you're missing in the Canaanite story is if you were in her place, you would have gone home because you would have seen Jesus' words as absolute and with no "rule of exception." Even before Abraham (the father of the Hebrews), men were saved by not being Jewish.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You forgot your conclusion?

I believe I made my point already.

Melchizedek.

 

[LoveofTruth]

1 Peter 3:21 KJV - "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ . . ."

this saving baptism is not water here but a spiritual one where our inner man is risen with Chris and because of the full assurance we have in our conscience now by the resurrection of Jesus.

The key to 1 Peter 3:21 is the word the answer (or inquiry) of a good conscience. The word "conscience is very important here.

We see in hebrews 9 more about the conscience.

"Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.:" ( Hebrews 9L9,10 KJV)

Notice here that the conscience cannot be perfect or clean or good by the outward diverse washings (the word washing there is a word used for baptism in greek I believe, ). The conscience comes from two words con ( with0 science ( knowledge, so with knowledge. They did not have the full knowledge of Christ finished work or the full assurance, so their hearts could be pure and right in faith but their conscience could not. But the way to have a clean conscience is defined here also,

“How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?” (Hebrews 9:14 KJV)

So when Peter says the saving baptism is the answer of a good conscience by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. This refers to our inner man and witness and a spiritual assurance by faith because of Jesus resurrection and our being risen with him. In the ark of Noah was a type of being in Christ raised up into the heavenlies to a new world where we are at rest in Christ,Noah's name meaning rest.


The one saving baptism is this

“For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.” (1 Cor 12:13 KJV)

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.” (Galatians 3:27 KJV) this is not to be dunked under water and put on water. But to be immersed into Christ by the Spirit and we put on Christ and are in him and he is us.

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?” (Romans 6:3 KJV) Notice that the baptism (immersion) is into Jesus Christ, not into water.

To be immersed ( baptized into Christ and to put on Christ is the saving baptism. This is not water baptism of John. Even the apostles were s till under the law all through acts following the Ot law and customs and diverse washings and carnal ordinances and Peter was still following Johns water baptism when he baptized the gentiles in Acts and read chapter 11 of he remembered thee words of jesus in Acts 1 how that John baptized ( past tense) with \water, but they would be baptized with the Spirit .

Also the Jewish and Gentile issue is all over the New testament. The book of acts we see the reformation from the old to the New and the transition is clear. But many Jewish believers were still struggling and under the law zealous of it and the temple many years after Christ death, read Acts 21 when Paul went to Jerusalem and James told him how many Jewish believers in jesus there were who were all zealous of the law and customs and they even did an animal sacrifice .

 

[FredVB]

In Modern English, it is more common that the word “you” is referring to one person. In the King James Bible, the Y words like Ye, You, Yours is a reference to two or more people. This distinction is not found in Modern Bibles. This is just a basic fact that you don’t appear to understand.

You in modern English is for singular or plural.
What matters is the meaning in the original writing. It is understandable that we place trust in our translations but this is not well to prefer over the original writing and what the early manuscripts still show from the original writing. These are not hard to look up online now, for comparison of passages that are concerning some topic or issue.

 

[Dan Perez]

How is this relevant to what I said in the thread with baptism being a work?
You have to connect the dots with Scripture so as to defend your position that baptism is a work or not a work.

And I just wrote what Acts 1:5 is saying to Peter. why WATER // HYDOR. , BAPTISM. // BAPTISO. will stop and HOLY

SPIRIT BAPTISM will begin in Acts 2:38 , and will answer any questions concerning BAPTISM at any time !!

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

this saving baptism is not water here but a spiritual one where our inner man is risen with Chris and because of the full assurance we have in our conscience now by the resurrection of Jesus.

The key to 1 Peter 3:21 is the word the answer (or inquiry) of a good conscience. The word "conscience is very important here.

We see in hebrews 9 more about the conscience.

"Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.:" ( Hebrews 9L9,10 KJV)

Notice here that the conscience cannot be perfect or clean or good by the outward diverse washings (the word washing there is a word used for baptism in greek I believe, ). The conscience comes from two words con ( with0 science ( knowledge, so with knowledge. They did not have the full knowledge of Christ finished work or the full assurance, so their hearts could be pure and right in faith but their conscience could not. But the way to have a clean conscience is defined here also,

“How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?” (Hebrews 9:14 KJV)

So when Peter says the saving baptism is the answer of a good conscience by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. This refers to our inner man and witness and a spiritual assurance by faith because of Jesus resurrection and our being risen with him. In the ark of Noah was a type of being in Christ raised up into the heavenlies to a new world where we are at rest in Christ,Noah's name meaning rest.


The one saving baptism is this

“For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.” (1 Cor 12:13 KJV)

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.” (Galatians 3:27 KJV) this is not to be dunked under water and put on water. But to be immersed into Christ by the Spirit and we put on Christ and are in him and he is us.

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?” (Romans 6:3 KJV) Notice that the baptism (immersion) is into Jesus Christ, not into water.

To be immersed ( baptized into Christ and to put on Christ is the saving baptism. This is not water baptism of John. Even the apostles were s till under the law all through acts following the Ot law and customs and diverse washings and carnal ordinances and Peter was still following Johns water baptism when he baptized the gentiles in Acts and read chapter 11 of he remembered thee words of jesus in Acts 1 how that John baptized ( past tense) with \water, but they would be baptized with the Spirit .

Also the Jewish and Gentile issue is all over the New testament. The book of acts we see the reformation from the old to the New and the transition is clear. But many Jewish believers were still struggling and under the law zealous of it and the temple many years after Christ death, read Acts 21 when Paul went to Jerusalem and James told him how many Jewish believers in jesus there were who were all zealous of the law and customs and they even did an animal sacrifice .

And in 1 Peter 3:21 the KJV say BAPTISM , and Just check the Greek Text IT IS NOT BAPTISM //. BAPTISO. , it

is the Greek word BAPTISMA .

And this Greek word BAPTIZO // BAPTISMA is used 22 Time beginning in. Matt 3:11 , Eph 4:5 to 1. PETER 3:21

and is very easy to check the Greek text. !! Be pleased to answer any questions concerning Baptism and any things

that I write !!

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

They were baptised into Moses in the cloud and the sea. Let's look at the passage to see what it teaches.

I want you to remember, my friends, what happened to our ancestors who followed Moses. They were all under the protection of the cloud, and all passed safely through the Red Sea. In the cloud and in the sea they were all baptized as followers of Moses. All ate the same spiritual bread and drank the same spiritual drink. They drank from the spiritual rock that went with them; and that rock was Christ himself. But even then God was not pleased with most of them, and so their dead bodies were scattered over the desert. Now, all of this is an example for us, to warn us not to desire evil things, as they did, nor to worship idols, as some of them did. As the scripture says, "The people sat down to a feast which turned into an orgy of drinking and sex." We must not be guilty of sexual immorality, as some of them were---and in one day twenty-three thousand of them fell dead. We must not put the Lord to the test, as some of them did---and they were killed by snakes. We must not complain, as some of them did---and they were destroyed by the Angel of Death. All these things happened to them as examples for others, and they were written down as a warning for us. For we live at a time when the end is about to come. If you think you are standing firm you had better be careful that you do not fall. Every test that you have experienced is the kind that normally comes to people. But God keeps his promise, and he will not allow you to be tested beyond your power to remain firm; at the time you are put to the test, he will give you the strength to endure it, and so provide you with a way out.​

(1 Corinthians 10:1-13 GNB)

For them, the Israelites, the baptism in the cloud and the sea was the sacrament of their union with Moses under the Law. Whatever the Law commanded their baptism said they would do. They were to avoid idolatry.

Thus, baptism was the sacrament of union with Moses for them, and for us baptism is the sacrament of union with Jesus Christ. By it we confess Christ as Lord, Saviour, and we are joined to him. We too are to avoid idolatry and worship one Lord, with one faith, and one baptism.

And there are just some of the words for :

# 1 BAPTISM

# 2 BAPTISMA and used some 22 times , beginning in Matt 3:11 and in Eph 4:5 and the last. one in 1 Peter 3:11

# 3 SPRINKING in EZE 36 :25

# 4 BAPTO. is Dipping

# 5 BAPTISMO in Heb 6:3

# WASHING

And this is how Moses was BAPTISED unto the thousand of Jews that left Egypt. and those Jews were IDENTIFY. with

Moses. and just because it says ONLY the word BAPTISM. does not mean it means WATER // HYDOR.

The CLOUD represents what is called the SHEKINAH GLORY. and the CLOUD protected Israel Day and Night and Christ

will come on. a CLOUD when he comes for the BODY of Christ in 1 Thess 4:17

Ans the word SEA , normally means LOTS OF PEOPLE. and those. that followed were the ones that were given the

BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD .

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

So when human beings participate, you don't think they are working?

That is interesting.

In the case of Noah in Genesis 6:14 for example, did Noah had to work to build an ark that God commanded him to do, or did he also "participate" while God builds the ark?

That is correct, I do not think that those who partake of a sacrament are working, but God is.

Why is it interesting to you?

The Ark was hard work for Noah and his family. It is not a sacrament. Noah built it as an act of obedience to God's command.

And asking since you brought up , JUST. where is their a Greek word , SACRAMENT in the BIBLE. ??

meaning the KJV. ??

dan p