Avalokiteshvara

[GrowingSmaller]

Metephysics (as an entity) epistemology (as a thought process) and ethically (as an examplar), and politically (as a social identity, or a charitable cause) and logically (as an implicit argument)? What ideas spring to mind??



Lets say "He's an an an an an idol". Are compassion and care an idol?


"One prominent Buddhist story tells of Avalokiteśvara vowing never to rest until he had freed all sentient beings from saṃsāra. Despite strenuous effort, he realizes that still many unhappy beings were yet to be saved. After struggling to comprehend the needs of so many, his head splits into eleven pieces. Amitābha, seeing his plight, gives him eleven heads with which to hear the cries of the suffering. Upon hearing these cries and comprehending them, Avalokiteśvara attempts to reach out to all those who needed aid, but found that his two arms shattered into pieces. Once more, Amitābha comes to his aid and invests him with a thousand arms with which to aid the suffering multitudes" - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalokiteśvara

 

[timewerx]

When his head split into eleven pieces, it fell into rocks and we now use them as semiconductors.

the eleven heads were restored as the internet and IT technology, with internet, we hear more of the suffering in the world

When the arms disintegrated it fell into rocks we use them to make hardware of our technology. With advanced, technology, we can help a lot more people that wasn't possible before.

His work won't be finished until we attain technological utopia.

That is what I make of it.

 

[Noxot]

compassion is good but you can't save anyone for that would negate their own being.

also the two arms are yin and yang which shows what is revealed in it. you know, non-duality.

11 is the number for chaos and disorder. other beings blight affect all others because of the reality of non-duality.

the story sounds to me like a natural process of the dynamic reality we exist as. what breaks and falls apart is given grace to increase and multiply. what the devil intends for evil God surmounts for the good.

the number 1000 is known as a number of completion.

i can't answer in categories that are not my own. i have little use for knowledge that is concerned with memories of things that people do. that would lead me to the thinking that society is an authority of it's own self. I will not reduce the Buddhist philosophy to a pragmatic world view of propagating the worlds frame of mind that needs to be shattered in order for it to truly live. plus I don't grasp what those categories even mean.

 

[GrowingSmaller]

When his head split into eleven pieces, it fell into rocks and we now use them as semiconductors.

the eleven heads were restored as the internet and IT technology, with internet, we hear more of the suffering in the world

When the arms disintegrated it fell into rocks we use them to make hardware of our technology. With advanced, technology, we can help a lot more people that wasn't possible before.

His work won't be finished until we attain technological utopia.

That is what I make of it.

Laughed all night at that one. I wonder what the dalai lama would make of it, being considered to be an emanation of Avalokiteshvara (IIRC).

 

[GrowingSmaller]

compassion is good but you can't save anyone for that would negate their own being.

also the two arms are yin and yang which shows what is revealed in it. you know, non-duality.

11 is the number for chaos and disorder. other beings blight affect all others because of the reality of non-duality.

the story sounds to me like a natural process of the dynamic reality we exist as. what breaks and falls apart is given grace to increase and multiply. what the devil intends for evil God surmounts for the good.

the number 1000 is known as a number of completion.

i can't answer in categories that are not my own. i have little use for knowledge that is concerned with memories of things that people do. that would lead me to the thinking that society is an authority of it's own self. I will not reduce the Buddhist philosophy to a pragmatic world view of propagating the worlds frame of mind that needs to be shattered in order for it to truly live. plus I don't grasp what those categories even mean.

Whats nonduality?

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Is it possible to save countless sentient beings from themselves. If countless is infinite, for every one you save, theres always infinite more.

But the paradox is that even though infinity cannot be reduced, still Avalokiteshvara can make a difference to people. On a one by one basis.

I am thinking of a modal argumet against bodishattvas. Suffering s infinite therefore necessary (whatever you do it will still be infinite, AND STILL BE THERE). But God alone is infinite.

 

[timewerx]

Laughed all night at that one. I wonder what the dalai lama would make of it, being considered to be an emanation of Avalokiteshvara (IIRC).

You're welcome!

Our rocks and soil where we get our technology have the blood of the innocents and martyrs who were slain and did not receive proper burial.

They are getting reborn as technology, at some point, they will judge and eliminate the corrupt off the Earth. They were the bones as in the vision and they received back their flesh but not of the corrupt flesh but of metal.

The drones are just the beginning. They will be like flood in number and the foolish man is swept by the flood.

 

[Noxot]

Whats nonduality?

I would say that word rather than oneness even though words don't explain reality. the basic symbol of reality in our universe is a lot of space and other beautiful things such as stars and so you can't exactly call it one even though it is all one. I think non-dual is a better translation of the Hindu word that is often translated as 'oneness'

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Actually timewerx, turning Av into a superconductor is a sacrilige. I tried meditation last night and then, what do I have as a visualisation, a buddha of copmpassion thats just been converted at the local tech hardware store. Thats the internet for you, I suppose...?

I don think there was actual malice on your part. Could you transform him back to his original self though???

There was a saying from Ali (peace dude) "He who keeps his secrets controls the options"...

And one from the Koran...

"O you who believe! Take not as (your) Bitanah (advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends, etc.) those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, Christians, and hypocrites) since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses) if you understand. "

Also in buddhism there is the priinciple of association with the pius.

The best wat of getting zzzzoned! That at least is a talking point...


I say that because mantras (or zikr in Islam) is ok, but it only engages part of the mind.