Aussies converting to Islam.

[Bevlina]

hahahaha...what they want, and what they get are two different things Jim. Don't you think people are a wakeup to them? We are about to see 'The Passion' knowing, and fully realising that Jesus is the very Son of God in the flesh. And, that cruel death was for them as well as us. IF muslims will believe Jesus IS the very born CHRIST instead of just a prophet. To believe that is an insult to God.
People who are supposed to be peaceful don't kill christians simply because they believe in Jesus the Christ.
Seems as though muslims only know one way to convert a person...kill him!

 

[Wolflily]

I'm dreading and anticipating "The Passion" - it's going to cause a huge emotion meltdown and will be hard to handle, but I have to support this film even if it kills me.

The islam religion won't be the one world religion that will bring the collapse of the world, Jim! It will be most likely a New-Age based conglomeration of all religions that the antichrist will use to mindwash the unsaved and THAT will most likely be the beginning of the end.

 

[Bevlina]

Yes...I can sprt of agree with you there Wolf for the simple reason that everyone is adopting new ageism into their way of life. They have their houses arranged with Feng Shui, talk about the yin and yang, and sooooo many have become buddhists!
I almost became one myself once upon a time believe it or not!
Islam? Good people just aren't interested in wearing scarves in the heat and listening to people screaming out bish a bulla gah stuff from a mosquey thing.
It's the peace and tranquility New Age offers that people seek.

 

[Wolflily]

Hey Bev, how are you? Miss you!

You know, the whole New Age thing is simply inundating everything in America. We can't get away from it - it's in every tv show, every song, every THING, period. I'm so sick of hearing one version or another of this kind of baloney. But I try to be patient with people who are on a path of spiritual discovery because I was wandering around on that same misguided road for a long time before becoming a Christian. It all sounded so good! Especially the Wiccan mentality of closeness with nature - since I'm in love with the animal kingdom, it's no surprise I was drawn to that stuff. I just couldn't let go and actually practice any of it. I pray for people who are so brainwashed by that stuff - it's impossible to avoid in this world.

Thank God for His Holy Spirit to pull us through!

 

[Bevlina]

Know what? You're not wrong Wolf! We seem to see new agey things everywhere. And one can be drawn to it as it's so subtle. Mood rings...ying & yang things...and even I have chimes hanging in the trees..but..I don't reckon they're too bad as they scare the sparrows away from the fruit.
But...they are going off in their little cliques of new age clans now. I don't know anything about wicca, only what I've read about it on the threads. But, there's another bit of bad news for you.
I don't know what to make of this stuff. I mean...that yoga business...struth! You could end up doing permanant damage to yourself there!!
I thinl people are searching for peace and fall into the false way of thinking buddhism & new agey stuff are all about peace. False security huh?

 

[Iron Lion]

the wraps moslem women wear on their heads are a middle east culture thing. it has nothing to do with being islamic. or so my religion teacher tells me.

He is completely wrong. All females are made to wear them in Islam. Most women have no problem in doin it either as to them its just following Gods laws.

 

[Icystwolf]

He is completely wrong. All females are made to wear them in Islam. Most women have no problem in doin it either as to them its just following Gods laws.

Well Iron muslim, the originator of the post that sparked it all.

Unfortunately, most muslims don't do Islamic studies, because it involves a lot of artwork and history. Theres a picture of an art that escaped the muslims hands of destruction, it has the face of Mohummed on it. Based on Persian artists, and his acension into heaven....

The Islam from Mohummed, is actually about Persians involving Jesus to be their Saviour, so infact Mohummed was a Christian. However, heres the crunch point. When Mohummed died, there was a burning of books until it was refined to one book, the koran. Mohummed's daughter lead an army, which in modern islam is no allowed. There are no "scarf" issues either. Islam took a turn when it split with the shi'ites and the othergroup which I can't remember.

As much as you can say, mr.muslim, islam today is an abomination. The islam before was a well scripted interpertation of the scriptures. Mohummed was a good man, but I recon, if he were here today, he would rebuke all of Islam all together.

A lot of the modern rules of islam, is not pure, but imaginative based on concept, the concepts that had restrictions and meanings have all been burned away. Hence paving evil...

The only reason why, we don't say that allowed in today's society, is based on the Law of Religious Tolerence. So whether a Religion is true or an abomination, we cannot comment on it in public.

So Mr.muslim, your in our domain, and this ain't public for non-Christians.

I have a harsh tongue, as many in this forum would know.....don't make me use it again.

 

[Bevlina]

Well...he came back.....
Good posting Jim!

 

[crashedman]

The fact that the koran is ambigious, and any muslim can interperate it their own way, makes it indeed something to be afraid about.

Unlike the Bible where it clearly states, to love our enemies, the koran has vague descriptions of that. Hence it can be used in may other things...

But they believed in the abominated version of Jesus. Jesus is indeed the son of God, they believe something that is contrary to the Bible. What surprises me is how they mention Jesus, yet fail to mention the indepth theology of Christianity. This in my opinion was caused by heracy, and this idea spread through the trade routes and influenced mohummed.

How do we know that they're right?

Clearly Heretics must have influenced the koran, otherwise how would there be a distortion and huge contradiction to the four gospels which has existed long before the koran.

There is a book out called 'The Last Great Prophet' about Mohammed. When the Koran came into being, Christianity was being divided into warring sects. The Catholic church was reponsible for the Crusades who would go out to other lands and mercilessly kill others whom they felt had strayed from their doctrines.


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Crashedman....are you ok? If your having doubts and you feel like converting to islam, PM me and I'll take some time to talk to you, mend somethings that might be in tangle.

I'm *NOT* into Islam, neither do I want to convert to it. I am simply saying that they are a strict religion and they obviously know how to convert anmd control people (mostly blacks and indigenous people) through the same ways Christians use: believe in God/Allah or else you'll go to hell when you die.

The religion that the earliest people had is the only onre that makes sense to me: tread lightly on the earth; rejoice in your body and treat every one of its functions as normal and natural; respect and revere nature; ask permission from God before taking something from the earth; respect and steward the animal kingdom rather than exploiut and oppress it. Rejoice in every birth and celebrate every death as a soul's departure into the next world.

It sounds naive, but if we hold onto those principles and do not seek to change them, we would become a much better race of people.



Crashedman

 

[Icystwolf]

Allah is not God...
Allah is the Abomination of God because Islam boxes God in, into human logic.

Crashedman, I'm still doubting you, do you read the Bible much?

So far, I've been hearing your thoughts that are demoralising to this forum.

I would like to hear your theology....

 

[crashedman]

Allah is not God...
Allah is the Abomination of God because Islam boxes God in, into human logic.

Crashedman, I'm still doubting you, do you read the Bible much?

Yes.

So far, I've been hearing your thoughts that are demoralising to this forum.

I would like to hear your theology....

My theology consists of these things:

1) Nothing that God creates is shameful or indecent.
2) We should universally outlaw sacrificing animals for our sins or salvation since Jesus Christ was meant to have been the ultimate sacrifice.
3) We are all ONE.
4) We can choose how we feel about everything. It is possible to despair of someone's birth as much as we can rejoice in someone's death.
5) Noisy religion is for those who are scared of going to hell, quiet spirituality is for those who have been there.
6) One bad apple don't ruin it for the rest.


Crashedman

 

[Bevlina]

Great post crashedman. I certainly agree that quiet spirituality is for those who have been to hell....and back...

 

[Marissa]

The intolerance in this thread is mindboggling.

I know this is off-topic but I have to say this.

Islam...moslem...what IS the difference between those two? Which of the two religions did the cowards who flattened the twin towers belong to?

If you have such little knowledge of Islam why are you in here sharing an opinion? Without knowledge you can't have an opinion worth contributing.

How can you judge that muslims are the anti-christ, that muslims want to take over the world, that they come in Australia solely to steal our Macca's burgers when you don't even know what religion they actually follow? Must less anything about that religion.

You shouldn't believe everything Kerry Packer tells you Bevlina. He's got as much of an agenda as any Muslim does.

Moslems are known cowards. Religion of peace??? hahahaha....lol !

Quite a contradictory statement there. If Islam isn't a religion of peace, how can they all be cowards? You can't have both.

Lets bring out the stereotypes. You mentioned 9/11 a few times. These men gave up their lives to train for their actions, they boarded planes, they hi-jacked them and then they flew them into building. Their actions were wrong and unintelligent, but cowardly? Not in the slightest. That takes bravery.

I remember what they did to the pretty Australian girls. Their cowardly acts of violence by moving in gangs against helpless girls who never harmed them.

I remember what the Anglican priest at the school down the road did two dozen young boys in his care. I guess I best hate all Anglicans because if some are doing, all of them must at least support it. Right?

Doesn't sound like an unjust hate filled stereo-type to me. [/sarcasm]

I was wondering if anyone has ever seen on TV or heard of a muslim Firefighter in Australia?

No, but I havne't seen on Tv or heard of a Christian Firefighter either. It's simply not news quality material. I don't assume from that there are Christian firefighters however. Nor do I assume there aren't Islamic firefighters.

What exactly does this have to do with Aussies converting to Islam?

Then we have these muslim so called "refugees" who feed their faces with MacDonald's food, then board rickety boats to Australia in order to sneak into our country. To protect themselves they bring their children as lures hoping the kids will find their way into Aussie hearts and therefore...their adult selves. NO WAY!! Not with this Aussie.
To anyone who is antichrist...I simply cannot be bothered.

Given the cost of coming in via boat none of the refugees from countries such as Afghanistan have ever stuffed their faces with McDonalds.

What exactly is it about the conditions in countries such as Afghanistan in 2001 that suggests to you these people aren't genuine refugees? Is it the fact that the woman could walk down the street and show their ankle without being killed...oh no, hang on, they couldn't. Was it the fact that a if a woman was raped it had to be witnessed by a number of "respectable" men before it was "rape" and not just "adultery" and that if no "respectable" men did witness it the woman would be killed? Could it be the fact that men weren't allowed determine their own beliefs without facing the risk of death? God forbid muslims be granted basic human rights.

Oh, and before you say they're "illegal" refugees and should have come through the proper channels, that hasn't been an option for any Afghanis. To go to the consulate in Kabul during the Taliban rule would have been too risky and when the US announced it's miliatary action Australia immediately closed it's refugee office in both Afghanistan and Pakistan. The only way to apply was to ring Hong Kong and sit on hold. In other words, you couldn't.

I think they get paid to do it! At least...that's what we Aussies reckon.

Who exactly do you think is paying them? Most refugees end up working in dead end jobs such as taxi driving. They're lucky if they make enough to live on.

Now I've got that out of my system back on topic:

Aussie conversion to Islam. Apparently Islam is now the second largest religion in Australia with about 5% of the country following the religion. Second only to Christainity. While it would be nice to believe the majority are immigrants, with such high numbers I can't see how that can be the case. We simply haven't been taking in that many immigrants from the muslim countries.

I think that what crashedman said earlier is spot on. It provides answers and stability. I think what puts it above Christainity (which IMHO also provides answers and stability) is that these days it's "cool" to be anything but Christian. If you have faith in one of the other belief systems, and you still to it, people will respect you. If you'er a christian, you're an idiot who can't think for himself. That's partly our fault. We've let too many hypocrits into our churches, and IMHO there are too many people calling themselves christians simply because they were raised hearing about Jesus once a year and damaging our reputation further.

 

[Marissa]

Oh, and since any opinion seems to need to be clarified let me assure you I am christian.

I was raised originally in a baptist church. When we moved to Brisbane we joined a general Christian Pentecostal Chruch, then when I was 12 switched to a large AOG church.

I was saved at 18 (on Good Friday of all days) after years of struggle with believing. I was attending a Penial (It's a pentecostal church), until moving back to Australia. Currently no church, but I am looking and can't wait to get back to Sunday night worship services.

 

[Bevlina]

The intolerance in this thread is mindboggling.

I know this is off-topic but I have to say this.



If you have such little knowledge of Islam why are you in here sharing an opinion? Without knowledge you can't have an opinion worth contributing.

How can you judge that muslims are the anti-christ, that muslims want to take over the world, that they come in Australia solely to steal our Macca's burgers when you don't even know what religion they actually follow? Must less anything about that religion.

You shouldn't believe everything Kerry Packer tells you Bevlina. He's got as much of an agenda as any Muslim does.



Quite a contradictory statement there. If Islam isn't a religion of peace, how can they all be cowards? You can't have both.

Lets bring out the stereotypes. You mentioned 9/11 a few times. These men gave up their lives to train for their actions, they boarded planes, they hi-jacked them and then they flew them into building. Their actions were wrong and unintelligent, but cowardly? Not in the slightest. That takes bravery.



I remember what the Anglican priest at the school down the road did two dozen young boys in his care. I guess I best hate all Anglicans because if some are doing, all of them must at least support it. Right?

Doesn't sound like an unjust hate filled stereo-type to me. [/sarcasm]



No, but I havne't seen on Tv or heard of a Christian Firefighter either. It's simply not news quality material. I don't assume from that there are Christian firefighters however. Nor do I assume there aren't Islamic firefighters.

What exactly does this have to do with Aussies converting to Islam?



Given the cost of coming in via boat none of the refugees from countries such as Afghanistan have ever stuffed their faces with McDonalds.

What exactly is it about the conditions in countries such as Afghanistan in 2001 that suggests to you these people aren't genuine refugees? Is it the fact that the woman could walk down the street and show their ankle without being killed...oh no, hang on, they couldn't. Was it the fact that a if a woman was raped it had to be witnessed by a number of "respectable" men before it was "rape" and not just "adultery" and that if no "respectable" men did witness it the woman would be killed? Could it be the fact that men weren't allowed determine their own beliefs without facing the risk of death? God forbid muslims be granted basic human rights.

Oh, and before you say they're "illegal" refugees and should have come through the proper channels, that hasn't been an option for any Afghanis. To go to the consulate in Kabul during the Taliban rule would have been too risky and when the US announced it's miliatary action Australia immediately closed it's refugee office in both Afghanistan and Pakistan. The only way to apply was to ring Hong Kong and sit on hold. In other words, you couldn't.



Who exactly do you think is paying them? Most refugees end up working in dead end jobs such as taxi driving. They're lucky if they make enough to live on.

Now I've got that out of my system back on topic:

Aussie conversion to Islam. Apparently Islam is now the second largest religion in Australia with about 5% of the country following the religion. Second only to Christainity. While it would be nice to believe the majority are immigrants, with such high numbers I can't see how that can be the case. We simply haven't been taking in that many immigrants from the muslim countries.

I think that what crashedman said earlier is spot on. It provides answers and stability. I think what puts it above Christainity (which IMHO also provides answers and stability) is that these days it's "cool" to be anything but Christian. If you have faith in one of the other belief systems, and you still to it, people will respect you. If you'er a christian, you're an idiot who can't think for himself. That's partly our fault. We've let too many hypocrits into our churches, and IMHO there are too many people calling themselves christians simply because they were raised hearing about Jesus once a year and damaging our reputation further.

Well! You've had a great little time there ripping me to pieces haven't you Marissa!

 

[Marissa]

Yes. And I notice you didn't answer a single one of my questions. Very insightful that.

 

[Bevlina]

OK! I haven't answered because I was appalled you could say those men who crashed those jets into the twin towers were not cowards. I'd like to see you go to America and tell the Americans those very same words.
Don't you know that muslim men believe that when they die they go to some paradise and have how many virgins?
Those words belong on a thread where there are many Americans....NOT on an Australian thread.
I have nothing further to say to you.

 

[Marissa]

Def. of Coward according to www.dictionary.com:

One who shows ignoble fear in the face of danger or pain.

How is giving your life for your beliefs cowardly? They have no more proof that they will receive "virgins" than we do we'll go to heaven. They have faith. Acting on that faith takes guts. Just as acting on faith when God tells you to give your last $10 in Church on Sunday takes guts.

If it ever comes up in another thread I'm participating I'll be happy to say it an American.

 

[Bevlina]

Well...that makes out Australian firefighters greater hero's than those who chose to die instantly doesn't it! It also makes them terrific Christians as they are laying down their lives for people they don't even know! So...you assume there are no christian firefighters huh?????

 

[Marissa]

What?

I don't doubt there are Christian firefighters. That was my whole point. Simply because I haven't seen or heard any reports on Christian firefighters doesn't mean they don't exist. Just as the fact that you haven't seen any reports on Muslim firefighters doesn't mean they don't exist.

Anyone who lays down/risks their life for someone else, whether they know them or not and whether their death is instantaneous or prolonged, is a hero as far as I'm concerned. That includes Australian firefighters of all religions.