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Aussie asks what checks and balances the USA has against Project 2025?

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Hi all,
Our ABC's flagship current affairs program "4 Corners" ran a 2 part special on the American election called “Retribution”. Part 1 covered Project 2025.
Australians were horrified at what we saw! Gobsmacked!

They also gave 2 extra segments on youtube - in depth interviews with:-

Paul Dans, the director of Project 2025

Erica Newland served as an attorney at the Department of Justice under Donald Trump.

Part 2 of “Retribution” covers immigration as an issue, and the black vote, and how trite memes seem to be voted on rather than the more complex realities.

What checks and balances are there given this election is SO toxic - and given Project 2025 seems to be poised to weaponize the DOJ against America’s own citizens? “I am your retribution” Trump does not seem to know a lot about Project 2025 - but given Trump is Trump - we really think he would object to this group’s assistance in stacking the DOJ full of vetted Trump loyalists to carry out his agenda specifically?

Also - another youtube I watched had these listed as "Checks and balances" but as I'm Australian - and pushed for time - I'm keen if any lawyers here have a quick summary of these Committees and how they work?

Cheers!

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I just looked up Project 25 on Wikipedia. It is a textbook example of why Wikipedia is useless to acquire reliable information on anything controversial.

If you don't like the Wikipedia summary, the whole document is available on the project2025.org website: https://www.project2025.org/policy/

I also have not read the whole thing, as it is 922 pages. :( The document is pretty well organized, though, so one can skim to see proposed policies on particular topics.
 
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Regarding the question of checks and balances, traditionally the Congress and the Supreme Court are the checks on the power of the Executive Branch (i.e., the President). If a significant majority of the members of Congress are supportive of Project 2025, then the Project would be more likely to go forward; if not, then Congress can stop some of the proposed actions.
 
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While I think Project 2025 is alarming, I don't think it's future is going to go unchallenged. The demographics in the US are quickly changing, especially when it comes to religious affiliation. The GOP's message of Christian nationalism is going to turn off alot of people.
 
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Meanwhile, What little I know of Project 25 I like very much. But I've not done a deep dive. Further, I consider it nothing more than a collection of opinions with no actual teeth. It's main use for me is to disover the thoughts and ideas of its authors that I may agree or disagree with.
You like the idea of mass firings of ordinary 'unvetted' DOJ employees with Trump loyalists? That is - people sworn NOT to protect the Constitution of the United States - but sworn in as protecting the President's Agenda? Government keeps things going in the free market. The idea of there being a 'free market' and then the next stop is Communist Dictatorship is just laughable. Some of the best American initiatives in the free market have their origins in government funding or DARPA research. Why did I mention Communism? Because the mass firing of whole parts of government departments serving the people can often be an unevaluated, knee-jerk reaction to an alt-right fear of government. As the wiki says:

Project 2025 is aligned with Trump's plans to fire more government employees than allocated to the president using Schedule F, a job classification Trump established in an October 2020 executive order.[143] Biden rescinded the classification in January 2021; Trump has said he would restore it. The Heritage Foundation plans to have 20,000 personnel in its database by the end of 2024.[67] Vought said that the project's goal to remove federal workers would be "a wrecking ball for the administrative state".[5]
As of 2024, only about 4,000 government positions are deemed political appointments. That could change with each administration.[5][67] Schedule F would affect tens of thousands of professional federal civil servants,[5] who have spent many years working under both Democratic and Republican administrations.[67] According to Donald Moynihan, a professor of public policy at Georgetown University, while the apolitical and meritocratic selection of public servants is vital to administrative functioning, the Republican Party increasingly views them and public sector unions as threats, or resources to be controlled.[144] In February 2024, Kevin Roberts said: "People will lose their jobs. Hopefully their lives are able to flourish in spite of that. Buildings will be shut down. Hopefully they can be repurposed for private industry."[145]
Project 2025 encourages the U.S. Congress to require federal contractors to be 70% American citizens, ultimately raising the limit to 95%.[100]
By June 2024, the American Accountability Foundation, a conservative opposition research organization led by former aide to Republican senators Tom Jones, was researching certain key high-ranking federal civil servants' backgrounds. Called Project Sovereignty 2025, the undertaking received a $100,000 grant from Heritage, with the objective of posting names on a website of 100 people who might oppose Trump's agenda. Announcing the grant in May 2024, Heritage wrote that the research's purpose was "to alert Congress, a conservative administration, and the American people to the presence of anti-American bad actors burrowed into the administrative state and ensure appropriate action is taken." Some found Project Sovereignty 2025 reminiscent of McCarthyism, when many Americans were persecuted and blacklisted as alleged communists.[146][147][148]
Political scientist Francis Fukuyama has said that while the federal bureaucracy is in dire need of reform, Schedule F would "dangerously undermine" the functionality of the government.[149]
So certain sectors are going to be gutted, and others transformed with Trump loyalists. These are functionaries, not members of the House or Senate. They don't have to be passionately supporting Trump to carry out their job. EG: I've been in child welfare work before - under different governments - some I voted for - some I did not. Imagine my being fired for not having voted for the winner at the last election? Sometimes having an 'opposition' employee on the inside is good for society. It's another check and balance. Being 'oppositional' to the government in power means they might be more likely to report to the media some unanticipated side-effect of a policy - like the harms done under Trump's harsh treatment of immigrants on the southern border when children were being separated from their parents. Whatever the legal status of their immigration attempt, and eventual outcome, you do NOT unnecessarily split parents from their children. That's a breach of human rights!

Democratic checks and balances ultimately emerged from a Christian understanding of the fallenness of humankind - that we are selfish and sinful and not that objective. I'm amazed that the Christian-right are so willing to undermine these checks and balances.

Former CIA director Leon Panetta says countries are governed either by leadership or by crisis. He tells Four Corners that democracy would be threatened if Trump was to be re-elected as President of the United States and says, ‘it was bad enough the first time’. Panetta speaks about what he sees as Trump’s disregard for intelligence, focus on power, desire to mobilise the military and what that would mean for the United States. In this interview, Panetta shares his fears about America’s future and exposes the troubles of the first Trump administration.


CHAPTERS 00:00 - What would a second Trump presidency mean? 03:15 - 'It’s a prescription for chaos’ 04:30 - Why is Donald Trump so popular? 05:24 - How could Trump use the military? 06:48 - ‘Donald Trump is a bully’ 07:50 - Intelligence briefs 08:50 - ‘Guaranteed failure’ 10:06 - Dangerous world 11:19 - What will happen to the NATO alliance? 12:45 - ‘Borders on being a traitor’ 13:55 - Trump, Russia and Ukraine 16:02 - ‘Nobody is above the law’ 17:02 - The Trump election 18:40 - Autocracy
 
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Biden is going to put some checks on the Supreme Court.
About time!

Joe Biden will announce plans to reform the US supreme court on Monday, Politico reported, citing two people familiar with the matter, adding that the US president was likely to back term limits for justices and an enforceable code of ethics.​
Biden said earlier this week during an Oval Office address that he would call for reform of the court.​

He is also expected to seek a constitutional amendment to limit immunity for presidents and some other officeholders, Politico reported, in the aftermath of a July supreme court ruling that presidents have broad immunity from prosecution.​
Biden will make the announcement in Texas on Monday and the specific proposals could change, the report added.​
Justice Elena Kagan on Thursday became the first member of the supreme court to call publicly for beefing up its new ethics code by adding a way to enforce it.​
“The thing that can be criticized is, you know, rules usually have enforcement mechanisms attached to them, and this one – this set of rules – does not,” Kagan said at an annual judicial conference held by the ninth circuit. More than 150 judges, attorneys, court personnel and others attended.​
The court had been considering adopting an ethics code for several years, but the effort took on added urgency after it was reported last year that Justice Clarence Thomas did not disclose luxury trips he accepted from a major Republican donor.​
Public confidence in the court has slipped sharply in recent years. In June, a survey for the Associated Press-Norc Center for Public Affairs Research found that four in 10 US adults have hardly any confidence in the justices and 70% believe they are more likely to be guided by their own ideology rather than serving as neutral arbiters.​
 
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And people are worried about Project 2025?! :rolleyes:
Hang on - everyone's been saying Biden's too old for the job of President.
Are you now saying he's just in the wrong line of work - and should have been a Supreme Court justice instead? :oldthumbsup: :doh: :doh:
You can't have it both ways.

Also - you're not concerned about bribes to SCJ's?
 
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The Wiki article is a hit piece. I'll read Project 25 before I go near that article. Just the snippets you show are dripping with leftist bias and downright hatred. Simply amazing. That's why I stopped reading when I went there. Sure, there is lots of bias in Wiki on anything controversial, but this one is over the top. It feels like reading a synopsis of the program via Democratic Underground. Seriously - Except I don't take the Wiki description seriously.

Of course, YMMV.

Try Snopes. Many entries about it here - browse by headings.

Just for the record - Trump not only knows but thinks of it as a plan for his administration!
Which means we just cannot trust a single thing that comes out of that man's mouth - as he has recently denied knowing anything about it.

"Then, about 41 minutes into the speech, Trump called The Heritage Foundation a "great group." He also referred to The Heritage Foundation's plans as a "colossal mandate" and said it would "lay the groundwork for exactly what our movement will do" in order to "save America":​
Because our country is going to hell. The critical job of institutions such as Heritage is to lay the groundwork. And Heritage does such an incredible job at that. And I'm telling you, with Kevin and the staff, and I met so many of them now, I took pictures with among the most handsome, beautiful people I've ever seen. I didn't like that picture. If you could lose that picture, please would you Kevin? But this is a great… No, he says I won't do that. But this is a great group. And they're going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do and what your movement will do when the American people give us a colossal mandate to save America and that's coming. That's coming. Because nobody can stand what's happening right now. Only a fool, only a fool or somebody that hates our country can like what's happening right now. Never been in this position before and already we know a very big part of our agenda.



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Here is Snope's summary of Project 2025 itself.

Among its numerous recommendations, it calls for the following (in no particular order):

  • Changing how the FBI operates. According to the plan, the agency is "completely out of control," and the next conservative administration should restore its reputation by stopping investigations that are supposedly "unlawful or contrary to the national interest." Also, the document calls for legislation that would eliminate term limits for the FBI's director and require that person to answer to the president.
  • Eliminating the Department of Education. The plan explicitly proposes, "Federal education policy should be limited and, ultimately, the federal Department of Education should be eliminated." The report also calls for bans on so-called "critical race theory" (CRT) and "gender ideology" lessons in public schools, asking for legislation that would require educators who share such material to register as sex offenders and be imprisoned.
  • Defunding the Department of Justice. Additionally, the document proposes prosecuting federal election-related charges as criminal, not civil, cases. Otherwise, the document says, "[Voter] registration fraud and unlawful ballot correction will remain federal election offenses that are never appropriately investigated and prosecuted."
  • Reversing Biden-era policies attempting to reduce climate change. The document's authors call for increasing the country's reliance on fossil fuels and withdrawing from efforts to address the climate crisis — such as "offices, programs, and directives designed to advance the Paris Climate Agreement."
  • Stopping cybersecurity efforts to combat mis- and disinformation. The document recommends the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency to stop its efforts to curtail online propaganda campaigns, arguing the federal government should not make judgment calls on what's true and what isn't.
  • Changing immigration policies. Authors want the federal government to deprioritize DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals), the program that temporarily delays the deportation of immigrants without documentation who came to the U.S. as children; phase out temporary work-visa programs that allow seasonal employers to hire foreign workers; impose financial punishments on so-called "sanctuary cities" that do not follow federal immigration laws, and divert tax dollars toward security at America's border with Mexico. (While the Biden campaign claims Project 2025 calls for "ripping mothers away from their children" at the border, there's no explicit mention of separating families. Rather, it calls for stronger enforcement of laws governing the detainment of immigrants with criminal records and restricting an existing program that tracks people in deportation proceedings instead of incarcerating them. In some cases, those changes could possibly play a role in border control agents detaining a parent while their child continues with immigration proceedings.)
  • Restricting access to abortion. The plan wants the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to stop promoting abortion as health care. Additionally, Project 2025 recommends the Federal Drug Administration (FDA) to stop promoting, and approving, requests for manufacturing abortion pills. "Alternative options to abortion, especially adoption, should receive federal and state support," the document states.
  • Removing LGBTQ+ protections. The plan calls for abolishing the Gender Policy Council, a Biden-created department within the White House that aims to "advance equity in government policy for those who face discrimination." Also, the proposal wants the federal government to remove terms such as "sexual orientation" and "gender identity" from records and policies, as well as rescind policies that prohibit discrimination on the basis of "sexual orientation, gender identity, transgender status, and sex characteristics."
  • Cutting ties completely with China. For instance, the document advocates for restricting people's access to TikTok because of its China-based parent company; prohibiting Confucius Institutes, cultural institutions at colleges and universities funded by the Chinese government, and blocking other Chinese entities from partnering with U.S. companies.
  • Reversing protections against discrimination in housing. The Biden campaign emails reference a portion of the document that calls for repealing a decades-old policy—strengthened under Biden—that attempts to prevent discrimination and reduce racial disparities in housing. Project 2025 also recommends making it easier to sell off homes used for public housing — a benefit to real estate developers — but result in fewer cheap housing options for poor and low-income families.
 
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