Attention: I have a question

[Music4Hym777]

Okay ya'll,

I've been doing a lot of research on the "Jesus Seminar" from an academic stand point, but never really from a biblical one!

What do you all think?

 

[Protoevangel]

Okay ya'll,

I've been doing a lot of research on the "Jesus Seminar" from an academic stand point, but never really from a biblical one!

What do you all think?

Satan's work.

Ban me.

 

[Music4Hym777]

Satan's work.

Ban me.

Is that what you really think? It has some pretty good arguments in it....like the raising of Lazarus.

 

[SPALATIN]

Okay ya'll,

I've been doing a lot of research on the "Jesus Seminar" from an academic stand point, but never really from a biblical one!

What do you all think?

Dan is not too far off Monica. the Jesus Seminar is by far one of the most liberal groups in the world of religion. They definitely subvert the truth to justify their needs. I think that Peter Jennings has probably used their propaganda to do his documentaries.

 

[Music4Hym777]

Dan is not too far off Monica. the Jesus Seminar is by far one of the most liberal groups in the world of religion. They definitely subvert the truth to justify their needs. I think that Peter Jennings has probably used their propaganda to do his documentaries.

This may be the liberal in me, but I still dont understand how the greatest miracle in the book of John (raising of Lazarus) is not recorded in any other book. I swear, I am earnestly searching for the truth on this one, not looking for a debate.

 

[Protoevangel]

The Jesus seminar assumes to know what Jesus did and did not say, they make God out to be a liar. They assume they are judge and the Bible, Jesus, God are in the dock (on trial). Even if they find God innocent, they have placed themselves in judgement. Yes, whether wittingly or not, they do the work of the adversary here on earth.

 

[Protoevangel]

This may be the liberal in me, but I still dont understand how the greatest miracle in the book of John (raising of Lazarus) is not recorded in any other book. I swear, I am earnestly searching for the truth on this one, not looking for a debate.

I appreciate that you are genuinly searching. I will try to answer your question in a more comprehensive fashon tonight, if I have a chance, if I am not banned, and if someone else doesn't do so before I.

 

[CrossWiseMag]

This may be the liberal in me, but I still dont understand how the greatest miracle in the book of John (raising of Lazarus) is not recorded in any other book

Because when God inspired Matthew, Mark and Luke, he knew John would be including the story in his account?

This is all about pre-suppositions. The Jesus Seminar pre-supposes that the Bible is not true. A Christian (when not sinning) pre-supposes it is true. The question you posed above has its foundation in unbelief. And we all have unbelief at one time or another: this is not a personal "shot."

Let's put it another way: how many times does God have to tell you something for you to believe it's true?

 

[Protoevangel]

The Jesus Seminar denies that Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Why? Because of the evidence? No! There is no known archeological evidence that could help us identify the place. The only information we have about the place Jesus was born is what Scripture tells us. So, how can they know it is wrong? They deny that Jesus was born in Bethlehem because they believe that any incident that is a fulfillment of an Prophecy was made up, because Prophecy is miraculous and miracles cannot happen! They say the same thing about anything recorded in the gospels that is supernatural. NOT based on evidence, only based on the presupposition that miricles cannot happen.

[Jesus was] "a secular sage who satirized the pious and championed the poor..."
"Jesus was perhaps the first stand-up Jewish comic."
"Starting a new religion would have been the farthest thing from his mind"
(Quotes attributable to Robert Funk, founder, Jesus Seminar)

Jesus didn't rise from the dead? He didn't work miracles? He didn't give us the greatest teaching in the world? Not according to the Jesus Seminar! No, my friend, he was just a stand-up comic.

Note, the Jesus Seminar doesn't start with historical evidence; it starts only with presuppositions that it makes no attempt to prove. They don't conclude that the Bible is inaccurate. That's where they begin!!! This is not history; its secular philosophy. Their bias arbitrarily eliminates options before they even begin. The conclusions of Funk and the Jesus Seminar aren’t inferable from the evidence. The evidence supports the Biblical record.

Satan's work. Avoid them.

Like Willy will probably say... they probably have a lot you could learn from them. But I will add that what they have for you to "learn" is spiritual poison. Poison I wish I had never had the misfortune to taste.

 

[cenimo]

Just a bunch of eggheads using something with the name Jesus in it to try and fake people out.

 

[RedneckAnglican]

I would suggest the "Alpha" course done by the Episcopalians...It is a good course and will take you through some of the ways to see the "proof" that Jesus was real (accounts by Josephus and the like)...It's religion taken back down to the basics...and it will help answer those questions from a Christian prospective instead of the "Secular Humanist" side...

 

[Willy]

Jesus Seminar is nothing to worry about and certainly nothing worry of demonizing. They are not the anti-Christ. They are not heretics. They are faithful Christians who might just take themselves a bit too seriously. Voting on whether Jesus really said certain things is a bit much for me personally. Frankly, the church has always depended upon the witness of the apostles and the early church. Our faith is in many ways the early church's faith. Did they have certain audiences and certain messages to proclaim to certain situations? Yes. Did they tailor their message for their audiences? Obviously. Does that mean that Jesus probably didn't say everything that the red-letter versions of the Bible indicate? Most likely. But so what? What they did is what preachers do. They speak "the word" to their context. It's what every generation does.

 

[SPALATIN]

Jesus Seminar is nothing to worry about and certainly nothing worry of demonizing. They are not the anti-Christ. They are not heretics.

Excuse me? You are kidding right Willy? Jesus Seminar is not Christian! They are very much heretics and if you don't know the difference perhaps you better do a further check on what you believe about Christ as well.

They are faithful Christians who might just take themselves a bit too seriously. Voting on whether Jesus really said certain things is a bit much for me personally. Frankly, the church has always depended upon the witness of the apostles and the early church. Our faith is in many ways the early church's faith. Did they have certain audiences and certain messages to proclaim to certain situations? Yes. Did they tailor their message for their audiences? Obviously. Does that mean that Jesus probably didn't say everything that the red-letter versions of the Bible indicate? Most likely. But so what? What they did is what preachers do. They speak "the word" to their context. It's what every generation does.

They dispute the very essence of the Nicene and Apostles Creeds. Their very movement is loathesome and they can not be considered as Christian.

Willy, your liberalism shines through when you make statements like this. I will not ever consider coming to a table where you serve communion as your witness is not one I want to condone.

 

[KagomeShuko]

You want my opinion on the Jesus Seminar?

I've read about it and what they do. . .it's AWFUL! They try to disprove things of the Bible, basically. Why does anybody need to do that?

I read one article where they debated over what Jesus said, and it was just a MINOR change in the words! It's completely stupid. . .

The Bible is the Bible. . .

Yep, even little ol' Liberal ELCA me feels this way about it.

Stein Auf!
Bridget

 

[Willy]

Excuse me? You are kidding right Willy? Jesus Seminar is not Christian! They are very much heretics and if you don't know the difference perhaps you better do a further check on what you believe about Christ as well.



They dispute the very essence of the Nicene and Apostles Creeds. Their very movement is loathesome and they can not be considered as Christian.

Willy, your liberalism shines through when you make statements like this. I will not ever consider coming to a table where you serve communion as your witness is not one I want to condone.

We would still welcome you.

 

[Protoevangel]

You want my opinion on the Jesus Seminar?

I've read about it and what they do. . .it's AWFUL! They try to disprove things of the Bible, basically. Why does anybody need to do that?

I read one article where they debated over what Jesus said, and it was just a MINOR change in the words! It's completely stupid. . .

The Bible is the Bible. . .

Yep, even little ol' Liberal ELCA me feels this way about it.

Stein Auf!
Bridget

Maybe you aren't quite as liberal as you have been led to believe?

 

[SPALATIN]

Me thinks that Willy is teetering off the very left ledge of the faith. He is almost so liberal the liberals won't want him.

 

[Willy]

Me thinks that Willy is teetering off the very left ledge of the faith. He is almost so liberal the liberals won't want him.

You're still welcome to our table even if you disagree with me.

 

[SPALATIN]

You're still welcome to our table even if you disagree with me.

No thanks. I don't relish taking the communion to my judgement.

 

[Protoevangel]

No thanks. I don't relish taking the communion to my judgement.

It is not you I would be worried about Scott. It is those who hold their own judgement above the Word.