Attending a Synagogue for the 1st time Sat.

[BourbonFromHeaven]

I still believe in Jesus, yet if I choose to practice Judaism, I don't want to be a Messianic Jew, I feel the traditional way is the way to practice a religion. I was told by a friend of mine's father that, on my journey that wouldn't be the important thing. But i'm worried wouldn't it cause a problem?
Thanks for the help in advance you guys!
REN

Believeing Jesus is a diety, is not a Jewish beleif. Accepting the New Testament as an inspired text, is not a Jewish belief. You are more then welcome to attend Shul, but just be aware that Jesus and Kosher Judaism, the real faith of Sinai, are not compatable.

I urge you to check out a Jewish service, but I also urge to give Catholicsm another try, it's a wonderful faith, full of it's own tradition and beuty.

Going to a Messianic Church, where Messianic Christians worship, is the same effect as attending a Christian Church, just without the culture theft and inherent deceit.

Peace

 

[Tishri1]

I feel like a cow on the auction block, with so many people looking me over to try to figure out how I'll fit into their freezers;

moooooo meeeeee tooooooo

 

[Tishri1]

Believeing Jesus is a diety, is not a Jewish beleif. Accepting the New Testament as an inspired text, is not a Jewish belief. You are more then welcome to attend Shul, but just be aware that Jesus and Kosher Judaism, the real faith of Sinai, are not compatable.

I urge you to check out a Jewish service, but I also urge to give Catholicsm another try, it's a wonderful faith, full of it's own tradition and beuty.

Going to a Messianic Church, where Messianic Christians worship, is the same effect as attending a Christian Church, just without the culture theft and inherent deceit.

Peace

Is that kinda talk allowed on this forum? sounds kinda scandalous and mean spirited to me

 

[Tishri1]

oh I get it a switch and bait I thought I was over in MJ and the thread was moved over here.....I thought it felt different .....now I know why

 

[jgonz]

Going to a Messianic Church, where Messianic Christians worship, is the same effect as attending a Christian Church, just without the culture theft and inherent deceit.

Wow BFH! A little touchy aren't you? Have you been to a Messianic congregation? Do you actually know anything about Messianic Judaism or are you just guessing from things you've heard?

 

[chokmah]

Wow BFH! A little touchy aren't you? Have you been to a Messianic congregation? Do you actually know anything about Messianic Judaism or are you just guessing from things you've heard?

He's dead on, jgonz, and I know from experience. I was a part of the Messianic community for a little while during my transition out of Christianity. And simchat_torah can attest to that since he played a huge part in my education.

Messianic Christianity is nothing more than Christianity in a Kippah. It wants all the potential perks, but none of the responsibility.

Personally, I would appreciate it if you would not fall prey to the same emotionalism that Tishri brings to the table. Things can be said "point-blank" without being from anger/irritation/being touchy.... Playing the martyr by those in the Messianic community has become ad nauseating.

 

[chokmah]

Back to the OP:

Renee what you can expect from your synagogue experience will differ amongst the types of Judaism that you are attending: Orthodox, Conservative, Reform. Simchat_Torah has a similar experience to what I was party to in NC. The rabbi would hold a Reform service on Friday evening, and then have a Conservative service Saturday morning. I don't recall if that's the same for you s_t.

I've never gone to an Orthodox shul, because I've never been around one. Being in Oregon now, I would be able to attend one in Portland; however, I would need to drive up the night before (before sun down), stay in a hotel that was close enough for walking distance, and then attend. To be honest, being a Noachide, I would just rather attend any where closer and/or with friends. Unfortunately, just south of Portland, there is not a very prominent Jewish community (nor is there much of a Noachide one).

The services that I have attended are very structured, and in that regard, you may find a lot of heartfelt peace (since you're RCC). Some places have the Hebrew transliterated, but I've only been to one service that had that available. I found it to be a rather solemn and reflective service. The Conservative shul that I attended had a wonderful rabbi, and he was very helpful.

One last hint: if you have children, then don't take anything to color with.

 

[arunma]

Therese, just so my motives are transparent, let me clearly say that I strongly discourage you from practicing Judaism. To practice Judaism is to deny that Jesus is the Christ; hence it is apostasy. And apostasy is a sin that leads to condemnation. If you wish to practice Judaism, then you ought to be certain that you don't believe in Christianity.

But, if you are still intent upon apostasizing to Judaism, then you should certainly hear what BourbonFromHeaven has to say. He's extremely knowledgable about Judaism, and I have found him to be a very helpful resource.

 

[jgonz]

Messianic Christianity is nothing more than Christianity in a Kippah. It wants all the potential perks, but none of the responsibility.

Personally, I would appreciate it if you would not fall prey to the same emotionalism that Tishri brings to the table. Things can be said "point-blank" without being from anger/irritation/being touchy.... Playing the martyr by those in the Messianic community has become ad nauseating.

You don't know anything about me or what I believe. I'm one of those dreaded Hebrew Roots people and I firmly believe that we're called to Torah Observance as a lifestyle. So obviously Messianic Judaism is FAR more to me than "Christianity in a kippah."

I'm also rather new to MJ so I don't know what you're talking about when you said that about playing the martyr. I also am not touchy.... I am rather blunt.

And what you said about Tishri wasn't nice at all.

 

[chokmah]

You don't know anything about me or what I believe. I'm one of those dreaded Hebrew Roots people and I firmly believe that we're called to Torah Observance as a lifestyle. So obviously Messianic Judaism is FAR more to me than "Christianity in a kippah."

Are you under the impression that what you are or what you do is relevant to me in this regard?

Hebrew Roots people are not Torah Observant. It's that simple. If you were Torah Observant; then you would be fulfilling ALL OF TORAH: Orally and Written. But alas, I would doubt that you are.

I'm also rather new to MJ so I don't know what you're talking about when you said that about playing the martyr. I also am not touchy.... I am rather blunt.

If you're new to MJ; then you're most certainly not Torah Observant.

As for the playing the martyr, it's evident from her post (and many in the past) what exactly I speak of.

And what you said about Tishri wasn't nice at all.

Bummer. Her accusatory speech towards Bourbon gets extremely old.

 

[arunma]

You don't know anything about me or what I believe. I'm one of those dreaded Hebrew Roots people and I firmly believe that we're called to Torah Observance as a lifestyle. So obviously Messianic Judaism is FAR more to me than "Christianity in a kippah."

I'm also rather new to MJ so I don't know what you're talking about when you said that about playing the martyr. I also am not touchy.... I am rather blunt.

And what you said about Tishri wasn't nice at all.

I agree that the Jews tend to be rather rude towards the Messianics. And I agree with you: this behavior is wrong. But while I firmly disapprove of it, I do at least understand why they behave this way. You must admit that Messianic Judaism is highly non-traditional. It is somewhat contrary to the established doctrines of orthodox Christianity, and Jews see it as a cultural hijacking.

 

[BlandOatmeal]

moooooo meeeeee tooooooo

I'm not contented​

 

[Talmidah]

I agree that the Jews tend to be rather rude towards the Messianics.

And here I thought I've done my best to be kind and polite while sharing honestly.

 

[Espada]

I agree that the Jews tend to be rather rude towards the Messianics. And I agree with you: this behavior is wrong. But while I firmly disapprove of it, I do at least understand why they behave this way. You must admit that Messianic Judaism is highly non-traditional. It is somewhat contrary to the established doctrines of orthodox Christianity, and Jews see it as a cultural hijacking.

Interesting idea! First look at my faithsymbol, thats it the scrolls, right now let me set out my beliefs

Total depravity
Unconditional Election
Limited Atonement
Irresistible Grace
Perseverance of the Saints

orthodox enough for you

As it is Valentines day I even made the words spell a flower for you

 

[chokmah]

Interesting idea! First look at my faithsymbol, thats it the scrolls, right now let me set out my beliefs

Total depravity
Unconditional Election
Limited Atonement
Irresistible Grace
Perseverance of the Saints

orthodox enough for you

As it is Valentines day I even made the words spell a flower for you

So, you're a Calvinistic Messianic Gentile?

Do you know how un-Judaic the TULIP is to Judaism?

 

[Espada]

So, you're a Calvinistic Messianic Gentile?

Do you know how un-Judaic the TULIP is to Judaism?

Yes I am to your first question.

To your second question, I believe TULIP is more prominant in the Tanakh than in the Messianic writings.

 

[chokmah]

To your second question, I believe TULIP is more prominant in the Tanakh than in the Messianic writings.

I'll break it down from your list:

Total depravity

Judaism does not have a belief in "original sin", nor is there the belief that man is inherently evil/corrupt. Sin can be overcome.

Unconditional Election

In Judaism, all men are equal. There is simply a difference in callings. Not all men are Jews nor are all men to become Jews. Both Jews and Gentiles can have a place in the World To Come, but it has nothing to do with election. Judaism is decidedly free-will oriented.

Limited Atonement

I never understood this part when I was part of a Congregational church, and nor do I now. What I can draw for it, makes me believe that it coincides with the "election" part above. But I could be wrong.

Irresistible Grace

This contradicts free will.

Perseverance of the Saints

Judaism does not recognize "saints".

 

[Espada]

I'll break it down from your list:

EDITED OUT

Perseverance of the Saints

Judaism does not recognize "saints".

It seems to me that you would be a non-messianic, of course if that is what you are then you will not accept Calvinism. Forgive me if I am wrong but you refer to just Judaism.

 

[chokmah]

It seems to me that you would be a non-messianic, of course if that is what you are then you will not accept Calvinism. Forgive me if I am wrong but you refer to just Judaism.

I'm a Noachide.

I was raised a Congregational Christian.
Became Pentecostal in college.
Joined Non-denominational after college.
Went through Messianic Gentilism.
Studied (studying) Judaism.
Advocate of Noachidism since September.

I reject Calvinism outright. I reject Messianic JUDAISM outright. I am fine with Messianic Gentiles who don't believe in the deity of a man.

 

[jgonz]

Chokmah, you don't believe that Yeshua/Jesus is G-d?