Attack of the Creationists [a plea for help]

[Valkhorn]

Here's an idea.

Make a New Account and pretend to argue for the opposing side and make all the Arguements that the rest of these guys refuse to do. Then, maybe no one can say that it's an unfair fight while, at the same time, disect their whole position bit-by-bit.

They probably won't read it but, Hey! At least they can't use the Excuse "If no one told us, we can't be held responcible for being wrong!"

I don't exactly follow... I need more details but I am intrigued.

 

[DrkSdBls]

I don't exactly follow... I need more details but I am intrigued.

Basically, I mean to do a Parody Like dad or AVet but do it seriously and convincingly.

Post an Arguement that Covers everything that Creationists Claim (All their "Proofs and Evidences") for the purpose of Attemping to Support their Position. Of course, anyone who Knows the Answers will Post a Rebuttal of it all but at least the "Cards will be laid on the Table."

That's how I see Debaters like these. If the Debate was a Poker Game, The Creationist would be the the player who Trys to Bluff their Hand but when called on it, refuses to show their Hand. Their arguement is "Since all 3 of the other Players have already shown their hands, and none of them have any of the Aces, that means I obviously have all 4 aces since you can't prove that I don't."

Make them show their hand, even if you have to play their hand for them. They can not use this Bluffing Tactic as it's clearly not how the game's played.

 

[Jenniferloveschrist]

Christianity should and can not be backed up scientifically. God made it very clear that some things will remain mysteries, even to scientists. He will never make everything clear and will never allow science to prove his existence.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Christianity should and can not be backed up scientifically. God made it very clear that some things will remain mysteries, even to scientists. He will never make everything clear and will never allow science to prove his existence.

Even if the Judaeo-Christian god exists, and even if he said those words, and even if he intends to keep them, that does not mean that science will never find conclusive proof of him. After all, the only reason we have to believe he is all-powerful is his own word!

Also, assuming he is omnipotent, then would he not be violating his 'can't interfere with free will' defense if he keeps things a mystery?

 

[Valkhorn]

Zorro just posted this gem:

Neutrality, or impartaillity, in this area is a myth. All thinking rests on presuppositions, and thus, faith is the foundation of "science" as much as of "religion" and "philosophy". Modern macroevolutionary "scientific" theory is the outworking of certain metaphysical presuppositions, and when the evidence (what can be observed) is not wedded to these presuppositions, then macroevolution is anything but convincing.

And this one:

Atheists are good people only by relativistic standards that they have created to suit themselves for whatever moment is appropriate for them. There are no moral absolutes with atheism. With no absolute objective standards of morality, then whoever is in power of a given relationship gets to set the standards, and this opens the door to unspeakable cruelty. In fact, the great appeal of atheism is that it so conveniently provides every reason someone could imagine in order to be immoral. Without any objective absolute standard of morality, you are really unable to condemn any choice regarding morality whatsoever. And thus, the great appeal to atheism is also its obvious undoing.

You imply that atheists are noble people because "their morality stems not from a fear of punishment, but a simple belief in treating others well". This is hogwash!. The morality of the atheist is simply self-centeredness and self-deception (deceiving others is also appropriate in this system).

I suspect that your statement was also intended to be a swipe at Christians since you probably mistakenly think that their morality stems from "fear of punishment". On the contrary, a Christian is someone who is no longer under God's righteous condemnation of his sins (see Romans 8:1) because of the person and work of Jesus Christ in his behalf. As a result, Christian ethics is based on the right standard (God's objective written Word), flows from the right motives (gratitude and love to God, and love to our fellow men who are created in his image), and is aimed at the right goal (the glory of God).

I'm officially banned there but those are two of the most arrogant and offensive statements I have ever heard.

 

[Brennin]

Canada? : P

Seriously though, which states are better?

Massachusetts. When I am proclaimed imperator I will repatriate you there anyway, so you might as well get a head start.

 

[plead]

I'll help by registering and +repping anyone from thee forums. If you want to register without having to make a new email account, use guerrillamail[dot]com. Random email address that works for 15 minutes

If we all +rep each other it will be impossible to get banned

 

[Valkhorn]

I'll help by registering and +repping anyone from thee forums. If you want to register without having to make a new email account, use guerrillamail[dot]com. Random email address that works for 15 minutes

If we all +rep each other it will be impossible to get banned

Good plan. I say we organize a bit more first before we begin. I have to get my finals over with tomorrow first...

 

[Pete Harcoff]

If we all +rep each other it will be impossible to get banned

Nah, it ain't impossible. My banning had nothing to do with reps.

Heck, I didn't even get a warning.

 

[DrkSdBls]

Nah, it ain't impossible. My banning had nothing to do with reps.

Heck, I didn't even get a warning.

Of course not. That's not how they do it. They don't care about warning those who they don't want there. Expecially when one of the Main P!cks there is the Forum Admin. Why would he warn us when he made it prefectly clear from the start that he didn't want us there.

 

[Valkhorn]

Of course not. That's not how they do it. They don't care about warning those who they don't want there. Expecially when one of the Main P!cks there is the Forum Admin. Why would he warn us when he made it prefectly clear from the start that he didn't want us there.

Ahh, Aaron, who's only argument was that I needed to read the Bible. Even though I already had ages ago.

 

[USincognito]

Of course not. That's not how they do it. They don't care about warning those who they don't want there. Expecially when one of the Main P!cks there is the Forum Admin. Why would he warn us when he made it prefectly clear from the start that he didn't want us there.

I hate to say this, but if everyone avoided atheism vs. Christianity and stuck to Creationism vs. evolution, I'm not sure there would have been the bannings there were. Zorro's remarks yesterday hacked me off, but I didn't see any value in responding to them. I just stick to the science as I did in responding to the "zoologist" or agreeing that there is no conflict between evolution and religion.

 

[Dracil]

Sounds like they just need to be quoted on FSTDT, and then notified.