Atheists, Why Do You Believe That Christians Cannot Accept Evolution?

[eleos1954]

No, nothing is random as you describe it. Gravity is not random. Atomic Mass is not random. If things were random we could not do science or make predictions. When you use the term random that way, you create a straw man. At that point you are arguing against a fictional character.

Didn't say everything is random .... said millions/billions of random things happening over millions/billions of years are theorized and there are many many theories regarding what science says could have happened to produce what we see today and allow life to begin ... much less evolve into the amazing complexity of what is now only beginning to be realized.

 

[Caliban]

Didn't say everything is random .... said millions/billions of random things happening over millions/billions of years are theorized and there are many many theories regarding what science says could have happened to produce what we see today and allow life to begin ... much less evolve into the amazing complexity of what is now only beginning to be realized.

Name one of these "random things." You are highly vague about this.

 

[eleos1954]

Name one of these "random things." You are highly vague about this.

Which theory about the universe do you want to look at?

 

[Caliban]

Which theory about the universe do you want to look at?

That's not what I asked. I asked for an example of a "random thing." We can get to theory after that. I want to clarify your position concerning what you said.

 

[eleos1954]

That's not what I asked. I asked for an example of a "random thing." We can get to theory after that. I want to clarify your position concerning what you said.

Randomness - Wikipedia

 

[Caliban]

Randomness - Wikipedia

I guess you missed the first sentence where is states "...the apparent lack of pattern or predictability..." There is predictability because things are not as random as you suggest. Not one scientist makes this claim you did. They all discuss apparent chaos and disorder. Newtonian laws predict and describe order.

 

[eleos1954]

I guess you missed the first sentence where is states "...the apparent lack of pattern or predictability..." There is predictability because things are not as random as you suggest. Not one scientist makes this claim you did. They all discuss apparent chaos and disorder. Newtonian laws predict and describe order.

.the apparent lack of pattern or predictability.

Random selection

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Random selection

Random selection is a sampling technique used in scientific research - what about it?

 

[Caliban]

Random selection

I don't see how that applies to evolution--you may want to clarify your position and describe your thinking process.

Random selection when applied to a lottery or something similar is not actually random. It has the appearance of randomness. A lottery has a known winning number and a finite list of non winning numbers. This can be easily statistically analyzed. What seems random at first glance is, in fact, orderly and predictable.

 

[AV1611VET]

What seems random at first glance is, in fact, orderly and predictable.

Only on paper.

Until the variables show up.

Remember this challenge thread?

The Tilt-a-Whirl, a product of intelligent design, uses chaotic motion to perform its function.

Demonstrate how God could have done the same, but didn't.

 

[Caliban]

Only on paper.

Until the variables show up.

Remember this challenge thread?

No, I didn't look at that thread. Can you give me an example of something that is random in the sense of being unpredictable (other that quantum physics which no one here probably understands anyway--including myself)?

 

[Strathos]

I consider faith a bad thing. Why do you think it is good?

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

I've seen that quote many times but I've never been able to make sense of making a virtue out of unevidenced belief.

OB

That's because you're not approaching it from the right perspective.

This is literally an appeal to the credulous and the gullible.

You can't understand unless you have a personal experience with God.

 

[SelfSim]

You can't understand unless you have a personal experience with God.

I can understand it .. yet I don't have a personal experience with God.

 

[Occams Barber]

That's because you're not approaching it from the right perspective.

You can't understand unless you have a personal experience with God.

These are the Christian equivalent of 'Get Out of Jail Free Cards'.

When in doubt just claim it's all too mysterious for the unbeliever to understand.

Is it possible that there actually is no sensible explanation?

OB

 

[AV1611VET]

Is it possible that there actually is no sensible explanation?

Depends on what you mean by sensible.

What would you consider a sensible explanation of the Resurrection, a week after it happened?

 

[Occams Barber]

Depends on what you mean by sensible.

What would you consider a sensible explanation of the Resurrection, a week after it happened?

Have you ever been to Lourdes or Fatima or heard of a Bible that bleeds oil or bleeding Christian statues? Why do people of other religions also believe their gods are capable of supernatural acts? How many people have actually been abducted by aliens? Is the earth flat? Did Elvis really die?

Humans are amazingly capable of believing almost anything - with or without reasonable evidence.

OB

 

[SelfSim]

Depends on what you mean by sensible.
What would you consider a sensible explanation of the Resurrection, a week after it happened?

One that invokes belief.

 

[Caliban]

You can't understand unless you have a personal experience with God.

I don't believe anyone has had a personal experience with God. People have phycological experiences they attribute to a god.

 

[AV1611VET]

Have you ever been to Lourdes or Fatima or heard of a Bible that bleeds oil or bleeding Christian statues?

And you think that explanation would have satisfied the Romans, a week after the Resurrection?

If it was just a vision, why didn't the Romans just produce Jesus' body and stop the spread of Christianity before it started?

 

[Strathos]

I don't believe anyone has had a personal experience with God. People have phycological experiences they attribute to a god.

And you'll keep thinking that until you have one.