Atheists, Theists, and Evolution

[chaoschristian]

I am an OEC.

Funny ?

Insult = inability to refute.

EV

No, You are a LCW.

A Lying Creationist Weasel.

Your sophistry might be fun and games to you, but your entertainment value has worn out.

 

[notto]

Darwinism is a penalty from God for denying Him Creator credit.

Meteorology is a penalty from God for denying Him Creator credit.



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[Electric Skeptic]

All atheists vigorously and fanatically support Darwinism.

This has already been addressed. It's false. The vast majority of atheists, just like the vast majority of non-atheists, couldn't care less about 'Darwinism'. It's just not something that impacts their lives, and to say all of them 'vigorously and fanatically" support it is just a lie.

If the same was anything about supporting the Genesis Creator THEN atheists would have nothing to do with Darwinism.

Blindingly obvious.

The above facts mean TEists are not real theists by any objective definition.

Firstly, the above aren't facts. One of them is - and its' blindingly obvious and was never in dispute. But the other is just a lie.

However, even if both of them were true, it would not mean that TEists are not real theists. This is the recurrent theme in this thread - that because atheists support something, no theist can. It's blatantly nonsensical, or theists couldn't support germ theory, relativity, or any other scientific theory. This is a point that Ev Vidence conveniently ignores.

How do we then explain their beliefs about themselves ?

Spectacular evidence of the effects of the invisible existence of Satan just like the Bible claims.

deceived: you THINK you are alright with God - BUT YOU ARE NOT.

What could possibly MAKE a theist THINK God approves of them supporting atheist creation myths ?

Existence of Satan.

The ONLY source we have for God that is respected worldwide says He created by special creation and not atheist evolution.

Conclusion: TEists prove the Biblical claim of Satan's existence and powers. IF this claim is true (and I just supplied massive evidence that it is) THEN Genesis 2:6,7 is true.

The rest of this is just a rant about how theists are deceived by Satan. It laughably enough includes the claim that Ed Vidence supplied "massive evidence" that they are. This is so pathetic it's almost not funny. The "massive evidence" consists of one falsehood, one obvious truism, and some faulty and unsupported reasoning.

 

[chaoschristian]

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into A LIE, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. DAll Darwinists are the liars for special pleading the appearance of design (what more can God do ?) to not correspond with Designer but a blind and mindless process of their own imagination and need.
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No comment.

 

[TooCurious]

I know I said I'd come back to this thread today, but I'm working on a project with a deadline that, best-case scenario, happens in two hours, so I'm trying to limit the procrastiantion as much as possible. Given that, I unfortunately don't have the time to participate very much right now, because my participation would involve providing a detailed description to the OP of the principles of science and the theory of evolution, since (judging solely by his posts) he appears to have an incomplete grasp of both these things. (Note: this is not intended as an insult, EV; I simply mean that based on what you've said, you have some misconceptions in these areas. For now, I'll just start with this: EV, you've said that it is an "atheist lie" that science does not concern itself with gods. Science concerns itself with testable, repeatable, measurable reality. Can one measure God?

Back tomorrow (hopefully!)

 

[Dannager]

No comment.

What in the world? Did his keyboard rise up in an attempt to stop him from posting this nonsense? It looks like it put up one heck of a fight.

 

[Willtor]

Ah, our little EV is growing up. It seems like just yesterday he was a Deist. This thread is special.

 

[Mocca]

Wait, so the Pope is the Judas? What about over 50% of all Christians worldwide? Are you implying that the belief in evolution is a punishment? Possibly for the lack of certain virtues? Maybe creationists possess certain virtues which TEs do not? Like honesty! *COUGHCOUGHCOUGH*

 

[DJ_Ghost]

Atheists like yourself do not define or speak for science. Since you think that you do this confirms your delusional state.

However, his statement is part of the scientific method, defined by scientist like Sagan and Popper. Your denial of this fact further illustrates your lack of education in the sciences.

Onlookers: What happens when atheists define and speak for science ?

Answer: You end up believing apes morphed into men miracles - miracles that have no source except the delusional minds and needs of atheists.

This is a none-sensical statement. Evolutionists accept evolution based on evidence. Evolution does not = apes morphing into men it deals in the change of allele frequencies over time. Clearly you have a poor grasp of the ToE, perhaps you should understand a theory before debating it?

Science is beliefs based upon facts that correspond with reality.

Science has nothing to do with belief at all, it is the study of natural phenomenon based on the methodology of science and on methodological naturalism. the fact that you confuse methodological and ontological naturalism is more evidence that you do not have a good grasp of either science or philosophy. Again it is evidence of your fallacious argument, since your conclusions only make sense by conflating methodological and ontological naturalism (and even then they are on shaky ground for reasons illustrated earlier).

The atheist MUST believe apes morphed into men because God is not an option, therefore, his beliefs are predetermined.

This is again a fallacy. Just because atheists do not believe in God does not mean they must believe apes and humans share a common ancestor. Your conclusion is once again based on a false premise. Most (and not all actually) atheists do accept evolution, but it is ludicrous to say they must do so, they do so based on the evidence supporting evolution.

Since these beliefs have no possible alternatives they are unfalsifiable and religion with no objective text = cult = usually a tiny percentage of the population = atheists.

Again fallacy riddled none-sense. alternatives do exist, Von Daniken built a career out of expounding a version of Pan spermia, and other versions of it exist.

Ghost

 

[DJ_Ghost]

All atheists vigorously and fanatically support Darwinism.

This premise has already been demonstrated to be false.

If the same was anything about supporting the Genesis Creator THEN atheists would have nothing to do with Darwinism.

The above facts mean TEists are not real theists by any objective definition. How do we then explain their beliefs about themselves ?

This is a false supposition based on a logical fallacy, the fallacy of false dichotomy. Forst of all a thing does not have to be for or against a thing, it can be neutral. Secondly the definition of Christian implemented by the council of Nicea does not enforce a literal interpretation of genesis. Hence your statement that TEs are not real theists by any definition is false, because by the definition of the council of Nicea (THE definition of what is and is not Christian) TEs are theists.

Spectacular evidence of the effects of the invisible existence of Satan just like the Bible claims. .

There can not be empirical evidence for a supernatural premise, by the very definition of sceince, more evidence that you do not know what you are talking about.

deceived: you THINK you are alright with God - BUT YOU ARE NOT..

You do not speak for God.

What could possibly MAKE a theist THINK God approves of them supporting atheist creation myths ?.

There is no such thing as an atheistic creation myth.

The ONLY source we have for God that is respected worldwide says He created by special creation and not atheist evolution.

Conclusion: TEists prove the Biblical claim of Satan's existence and powers. IF this claim is true (and I just supplied massive evidence that it is) THEN Genesis 2:6,7 is true.

You provided no evidence at all, you provided unsupported assertion. Your opinion based on your own belief does not constitute evidence by any definition of the term evidence.

 

[USincognito]

sigh, life is hard. I'd rather like to be though a fool, and lacking credibility, because I am YEC'ist, instead of disliked, because other YEC are froth-at-the-mouth hostile.

Two comments. First saying the Himalayas are 4,000 years old and sedimentary isn't foolishness, it borders on insanity. Second, I hate to break this to you, but you're not being tainted by the angry verbiage of your fellow YECs, it's the fact that you think the Himalayas are 4,000 years old.

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

This guy can't be for real.

Never say never...
You couldn't pay me to bet whether or not this guy is for real... well, if you paid me a lot, I'd go out on a limb, but seriously, there are still flat earthers out there, and consider Morris's fuminations on TEs...

This is more or less a waste of a thread.

I must most vehemently disagree, it has been the most amusing!

Peace be with you,
Robert
Getting his weaponry ready to defend against evil atheists!

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

Assuming God is not scientifically verifiable = atheist philosophy.

Urk!?!

You aren't claiming that science can track down God and bring him back regardless of his wishes are you?

 

[Uphill Battle]

Two comments. First saying the Himalayas are 4,000 years old and sedimentary isn't foolishness, it borders on insanity. Second, I hate to break this to you, but you're not being tainted by the angry verbiage of your fellow YECs, it's the fact that you think the Himalayas are 4,000 years old.

oh, don't get me wrong, I have no problem with you thinking that I lack credibility, you can even think me insane, if you wish. I refer more to the hostility. (Unless of course, you admit to being hostile to somebody because of their dramatically different ideology than your own.)

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

oh, don't get me wrong, I have no problem with you thinking that I lack credibility, you can even think me insane, if you wish. I refer more to the hostility. (Unless of course, you admit to being hostile to somebody because of their dramatically different ideology than your own.)

FWIW, "Ed Vance" doesn't have enough credibility* for me to waste hostility on him and I haven't run into you before, but you don't strike me as somebody who would get my dander up.

*some of his posts taken in isolation would probably twist my shorts , but as a whole ...

 

[Uphill Battle]

FWIW, "Ed Vance" doesn't have enough credibility* for me to waste hostility on him and I haven't run into you before, but you don't strike me as somebody who would get my dander up.

*some of his posts taken in isolation would probably twist my shorts , but as a whole ...

no? Give me time. Well met, Pilegrim.

 

[Ed Vidence]

No, You are a LCW.​

A Lying Creationist Weasel.​

Your sophistry might be fun and games to you, but your entertainment value has worn out.

You are frustrated and lashing out. I suggest that you gather your composure. If your position is correct then resorting to invective betrays that it is not.

Reduced down, a Darwinist has greatly disapproved of me, a Creationist. This proves my rightness. Darwinian approval would have proven my wrongness since they think apes morphed into men and other assorted atheistic nonsense.

EV

 

[Electric Skeptic]

Reduced down, a Darwinist has greatly disapproved of me, a Creationist. This proves my rightness. Darwinian approval would have proven my wrongness since they think apes morphed into men and other assorted atheistic nonsense.

You have absolutely no idea how to reason, do you? And, apparently, absolutely no idea about what evolutionary theory is.

I've asked it before, but I'll ask it again - do you realise how stupid you are making Christians look?

 

[Ed Vidence]

False. In fact, not all atheists even believe in the Theory of Evolution.

Evading the axiomatic indisputable point: All atheists, for all intents and purposes wholly support ToE.

If this Darwinist cannot admit THIS "round earth" point then just think what they have done with private scientific evidence ?

Your argument goes: "Because all atheists vigorously and fanatically support evolution, Christians cannot believe in evolution.

Yes, thats my argument. These Christians are not genuine Christians by any objective definition or rendering. Jesus was the Divine Son of God - a Creationist whose lineage descends from Adam in the Bible and not an ape. Imagine that...Christians who THINK their Savior's Holy Blood has ape blood in it !

TEists are Darwinists/wolves in sheeps clothing. Their whole efforts are a recognition that ToE NEEDS the Bible or its atheist philosophy packaged as science.

" How 'bout lets try this with gravity? "Because all atheists vigorously and fanatically support gravity, Christians cannot believe in gravity." You can obviously see that your argument is simply absurd. (Or not, depending on how many hallucinogens you've taken today.)

Deliberate misrepresenatation caused by the inability to refute WHAT I SAID.

I didn't say anything about UNDISPUTED scientific facts. The issue is human origins. Any "Christian" who supports the atheist belief about human origins is not a real Christian. They may THINK they are a real Christian but the Source accounts for these types as traitors. like Judas.

My point is the Bible corresponds with reality. Judas = all TEists. Judas THOUGHT he was saved too until....

You didn't actually explaion how existance of TEs provide evidence for the existance of Satan.

I did.

Presumably, your argument goes:
Premise 1: Christians cannot be accepted by God if they accept evolution
Premise 2: Theistic evolutionists accept evolution and believe they're accepted by God.
Conclusion: Satan must be deceiving TEs.

Correct. Told you I did.

I will reply to the rest of your post ASAP.

EV

 

[Nathan Poe]

Reduced down, a Darwinist has greatly disapproved of me, a Creationist. This proves my rightness.

So... the more people think you're worng, the more right you are?

Darwinian approval would have proven my wrongness since they think apes morphed into men and other assorted atheistic nonsense.

EV

And now you're babbling gibberish. How right is this?