And, believe it or not, I have respect for atheists who refuse to believe until evidence is presented. I used to be one of you until I found evidence good enough to convince me. I don't try to convince others though.
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Indeed I probably would. I have watched every debate I have found of Rabi Wolpe, and I have much respect for Jewish ethics and tradition.
Yes, I can believe it. I have many friends of faith, and TBH, this topic doesn't come up too much, and when it does, both positions are respected.And, believe it or not, I have respect for atheists who refuse to believe until evidence is presented. I used to be one of you until I found evidence good enough to convince me. I don't try to convince others though.
Oh yes... if there's one thing I have learned in all the years I have been involved in these sorts of exchanges, it's that the Pope definitely has some serious competition on his hands!Oh, I love it when people claim to be prophets.
Is there ever an age at which we are out of an Omnipresent, Omnipotent God's reach? I think not. We're never too mature to need Him, are we?Perhaps this explains the differences between many? Children reach a stage where they are not within their parent's reach, and must be responsible for themselves. I think they call that maturity
Yes, I agree. Now if only those who believe that Gospel would preach accordingly, lol!Except "love me or else" is not an accurate portrayal of the Gospel, while the Bride-Groom relationship found in Scripture IS.
However it still seems to hinge on our believing/trusting correctly, regardless of whether it's a Who, What, Where, When, How, or Why that is the focus of that belief/trust.It hinges upon "who" we believe/trust. If we believe the wrong god we are surely doomed.
Not quite. We have limited ability to choose, based upon divinely-established constraints. We are not omnipotent."Free from constraints" is just plain silly. We can each do whatever we're big and bad enough to do ...
Well, I'm an annihilationist, so the only "torment" I'm aware of is the one Christ mentioned here:Nope. But the general concensus among Christians is that hell is eternal torture.
I can handle weeping and teeth gnashing... bring it.Well, I'm an annihilationist, so the only "torment" I'm aware of is the one Christ mentioned here:
"This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." - Matt 13:49-50.
This is a process baby Christians go through, until realizing there is no switch on the back of the head to make us automatically obey G-d. As faas as G-d being a nut, that is what He says with "it repented me that I made man," re: Noah. Also, hell was not created for man, but for the devil and his angels. Account for these differences and see what you come up with ...
Yeah, me too.Whoa... Time out! I seem to have lost the track.
You end up in Hell because you are lost, so yes.May we start anew?
So if I am in Hell, I am lost for God.
According to my knowledge, yes He cannot.He cannot achive his goal of having me reconciled with him any more. Correct?
If you are in hell then it is better for God not to achieve His goal with you. And that's why you are in hell. Because it is better.And now I asked you whether it is better for God not to achive this goal than to achive it. New question. Can you give a new answer?
So every single Non-Christian then is both aware and is consciously and deliberately rejecting God's gift?
The argument is accurately that God sending or allowing people to go to hell purely for not believing in him is immoral and indefensible.
If you don't believe in your religion and believe in God then you won't have the possibility of pain and torture after death. Yet if you trust in your religion, or any other, then you do have the possibility of going to hell and being tortured for eternity.
Oh yes... if there's one thing I have learned in all the years I have been involved in these sorts of exchanges, it's that the Pope definitely has some serious competition on his hands!
Is there ever an age at which we are out of an Omnipresent, Omnipotent God's reach? I think not. We're never too mature to need Him, are we?
Yes, I agree. Now if only those who believe that Gospel would preach accordingly, lol!
Yes it is. But it is what you said.That's quite the lapse in both logic and conversation
Me said:This is simply untrue. The 'some' that you are referring to are simply unaware of God's 'giving his life' and are unaware even of God existing. The fact that you would make excuses for that groups eternal torture is both troubling and nonsensical.
Zaac was referring to all Non-Christians. Does this mean, if what I said was untrue that all Non-Christians are willfully rejecting God? Because that is precisely what Zaac believes and he has been doggedly consistent about getting that through.You said:This is not only untrue, but silly. Those being referred to are those that are aware, and choose to reject.
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