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Atheists go to hell even if they are good!?

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selfinflikted said:
Then what are you using?
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"No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love Him"— but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. - 1 Cor 2:9-10.
 
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Doveaman said:
See above.
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"See above" as in "you know with you reliance on something else than the finite human brain that it is better for God not to achive his goal than to achive his goal"?
 
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b&wpac7 said:
If you are not using your finite human brain, you are suggesting you are using direct knowledge from God. Only one type of person got direct knowledge from God about these kinds of things and you are not one of them.
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What kind of person is that?
 
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Doveaman said:
#457
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Whoa... Time out! I seem to have lost the track.

May we start anew?

So if I am in Hell, I am lost for God. He cannot achive his goal of having me reconciled with him any more. Correct?

And now I asked you whether it is better for God not to achive this goal than to achive it. New question. Can you give a new answer?
 
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Doveaman said:
"No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love Him"— but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. - 1 Cor 2:9-10.
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Dove,

I know you've heard this before, but I want to ask again. People claim to be "lead" or "influenced" or "told" by the "Holy Spirit" all the time, yet, no two Christians are ever "told" the same thing. If the Holy Spirit was actually working through people, don't you think it would be consistent? How do you explain that other than, "Well, then if it doesn't agree with me, it's not the Holy Spirit talking!"?
 
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CaliforniaSun said:
Maybe you should read it again. You obviously understood nothing.
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Keep telling yourself that.

CaliforniaSun said:
What do you not understand about being able to save your children and not doing it?
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I won't ask you why your analogy doesn't fit, as you can't even see the problem with your assumption, let alone with assumptions in general.
 
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ToddNotTodd said:
We don't have freewill now. I wouldn't be taking anything away.
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I'd be very curious to see your personal definition of free will that makes this statement true; just realize it has nothing to do with the way the same term is used within Christianity.
 
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ToddNotTodd said:
That doesn't make any sense to me at all. I'm allowing everyone to experience heaven. How is that hell?
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Those that would prefer to not learn to love God in the here and now, not to learn to learn to love what He loves and hate what He hates, not to exert themselves conforming to His will, are allowed to exist in that manner just like you said.

This is the Orthodox definition of hell.
 
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chaela said:
First off, since I believe He's Omnipresent, we're already in His presence.
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What you express is being oblivious to union with Him. It is not a given, neither is it an on / off condition.

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Besides that, any parent worth his or her salt would definitely drag their kid, kicking and screaming or not, out of the street before the Mack truck hits him.
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Perhaps this explains the differences between many? Children reach a stage where they are not within their parent's reach, and must be responsible for themselves. I think they call that maturity
 
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chaela said:
"Love Me or Else!" Sounds more like a hostage situation than the Bride-Groom relationship found in scripture.
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Except "love me or else" is not an accurate portrayal of the Gospel, while the Bride-Groom relationship found in Scripture IS. Why do you not find this difference striking? Something is amiss, and I posit it is cured by revelation of the largeness of G-d.
 
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selfinflikted said:
I couldn't imagine not wanting to be saved from eternal torture, if I believed that hell actually existed. Who would want eternal torture? Why wouldn't everyone want to be saved? That's just foolish.
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There are at least 2 posters on CF that I know of that take this position as a moral stance. And they are accomplished, intelligent people.
 
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