Atheists go to hell even if they are good!? (2)

[razeontherock]

No-one has a gift to predict the future. That is pseudo-science. Detectives and investigators of incidents rely upon deductive reasoning and an understanding of human psychology to predict what someone might do.

I did not deny Pilothei's point, but you are. Police actually do employ people like this. (Ok, rarely, but they do)

 

[Skavau]

I did not deny Pilothei's point, but you are. Police actually do employ people like this. (Ok, rarely, but they do)

You think the police employ the literal equivalent to fortune tellers and seers to solve crimes?

 

[razeontherock]

You think the police employ the literal equivalent to fortune tellers and seers to solve crimes?

Not only that, but sometimes they are solved that way.

One of the most common answers given when atheists ask for proof, is Prophecy.

 

[Skavau]

Not only that, but sometimes they are solved that way.

One of the most common answers given when atheists ask for proof, is Prophecy.

Any examples? (not of the latter but the former)

 

[Philothei]

So how do you explain of "mediums" who are used to locate criminals? They meditate and they are able to help police by saying where the criminals are located. I have a police woman friend who has worked with a person who does exactly that... If you deny to believe that there are people who do and ALL are fake then I think you are denying the evidence I present. Very well then no problemo

 

[Tergle]

Same. Let me put it the way I see it, and you guys tell me where I'm wrong, if I am.

If god is all-knowing, then he knows each and every decision each and every person will ever make.

Sounds right.

If the outcome is already known by god, it would then be impossible for one to decide to choose anything to the contrary, thus, no free will. Amirite?

God watched your freewill make choices.

What's the big quandary here?

You'ld rather a Puppet Master pullings strings? Serioulsy, that always seems to be the God you atheists want.

Watching choices being made . . . sounds exactly like what you go through as a parent.

 

[Tergle]

Double post... CF is acting up a little at the moment.

I'll just use this space to enhance on my last post...

As I said before "truth" can be any old statement. "I am 42 years old" is a statement. It is true (at the time I am writing this). "I am 3 months old" is also such a statement. It is false (again, at the time of writing).

Now there are reasons that makes you accept the one as "true" and the other as "false". These are the "convincing arguments".


A different statement: "I have an above average number of fingers." True or false?

There is no way one can say exactly what age they are. When I started that first sentence I was younger than I am when I put the period to this sentence. By the time anyone is "42 years old" they are older than that in such a small amount of time they can never comprehend it.

 

[m9lc]

Serioulsy, that always seems to be the God you atheists want.

Can you please refrain from ever using the phrase "you atheists" any more (unless used in a definitional fashion such as "you atheists don't believe in a god")? I don't know why you seem so intent on blocking atheists all together into your collective evil atheist.

Not to mention that your arguments display, once again, a complete lack of understanding of what the other person is trying to say. When someone says that something that the Biblegod supposedly does is wrong, you don't need to implicitly put words into their mouths about what would be right. That's another question entirely.

 

[Philothei]

Can you please refrain from ever using the phrase "you atheists" any more (unless used in a definitional fashion such as "you atheists don't believe in a god")? I don't know why you seem so intent on blocking atheists all together into your collective evil atheist.

Not to mention that your arguments display, once again, a complete lack of understanding of what the other person is trying to say. When someone says that something that the Biblegod supposedly does is wrong, you don't need to implicitly put words into their mouths about what would be right. That's another question entirely.

Let's not escalate things please here... If he said that I am sure he used it in the general meaning of the word. Please let's concentrate on the issue at hand and not at each other. Can we please continue in a non-personal manner and aswering the posts? Thanks I think that would be more profitable don't you think?

 

[m9lc]

Let's not escalate things please here... If he said that I am sure he used it in the general meaning of the word. Please let's concentrate on the issue at hand and not at each other. Can we please continue in a non-personal manner and aswering the posts? Thanks I think that would be more profitable don't you think?

Sorry, I'll just stop this here.

 

[Skavau]

So how do you explain of "mediums" who are used to locate criminals? They meditate and they are able to help police by saying where the criminals are located. I have a police woman friend who has worked with a person who does exactly that... If you deny to believe that there are people who do and ALL are fake then I think you are denying the evidence I present. Very well then no problemo

Any citations?

I'd be openly complaining if it happened here. I want my tax money towards the police to be spent efficiently not spent on seers and psychics.

 

[razeontherock]

I'd be openly complaining if it happened here. I want my tax money towards the police to be spent efficiently not spent on seers and psychics.

Well normally they do only resort to that in cases where nothing else is getting them anywhere.

 

[Skavau]

Well normally they do only resort to that in cases where nothing else is getting them anywhere.

So until all rationalism and empiricism is exhausted, then. I'm glad they go there first. I'd still like to see some examples nonetheless.

 

[razeontherock]

I would imagine any such medium would find it out of place if they were to turn to them before exhausting normal avenues. And your request for citations is also a bit odd; it's not like they're going to broadcast these details.

 

[Skavau]

I would imagine any such medium would find it out of place if they were to turn to them before exhausting normal avenues. And your request for citations is also a bit odd; it's not like they're going to broadcast these details.

Great, so you have none then.

Just a reference from a friend.

 

[Philothei]

PSI ESP Part 3

Still I have no obligation to provide you with information as that is widely known practice from the early 1900. Nothing new indeed. And before you reject it I can provide you with our Elders in our Church that have predicted many world events as there were given the gift of Prophesy. So yeah just knowing the future is not enough to be able to "ordain it".

 

[Skavau]

PSI ESP Part 3

Still I have no obligation to provide you with information as that is widely known practice from the early 1900. Nothing new indeed. And before you reject it I can provide you with our Elders in our Church that have predicted many world events as there were given the gift of Prophesy. So yeah just knowing the future is not enough to be able to "ordain it".

Actually, that was never the argument. The argument is that if the future can be known then there can be no free-will. If I know, without question what will happen to X then it will always happen.

Is there anyway to falsify the claims made by your elders? That is to know that they could have only made specific predictions prior to the events?

 

[Philothei]

I have no idea what you are talking about. You wanted evidence the police uses psychics it was presented. I cannot find the information in English you are asking for but I know that one Greek Elder predicted the TV and the computer usage from the 1500 AD. Now he is dead but he also predicted many more. He saw the future inventions. Now how much you think St. Kosmas was involved in making these inventions?

 

[Skavau]

I have no idea what you are talking about. You wanted evidence the police uses psychics it was presented. I cannot find the information in English you are asking for but I know that one Greek Elder predicted the TV and the computer usage from the 1500 AD.

Sorry, but that's a rather easy prediction to make.

Now he is dead but he also predicted many more. He saw the future inventions. Now how much you think St. Kosmas was involved in making these inventions?

Not my argument. If the future can be known for sure then it is decided. That is the argument. If God knows the future without hesitation, then it is decided.

 

[Philothei]

Sorry, but that's a rather easy prediction to make.


Not my argument. If the future can be known for sure then it is decided. That is the argument. If God knows the future without hesitation, then it is decided.

That does not make any sense how a person living in the 1500 AD would know we would have computers? And that we can communicate globally..?? That is impossible to have this information...And you are saying that since he knew it was ....."decided" by who? The saint?

So if I know that you will drink water in half an hour "I" decided it That does not make any sense to me either But that is ok. At least we know our position here.