Atheists get what they want

[linssue55]

I think you misread me linssue55. I invited you to this discussion because I felt that you are someone who would rely on the bible as a final authority. I am engaging in this discussion because it is a valid point to make, and we are right to study the word with an open mind.

If your interpretation is correct, then you have to assume that the scriptures as we have them in our english translations are wrong. I showed you things that can easily be verified using a concordance.

Your use of terms such as isogogics, and exegisis can befuddle the common man. If you cannot rely on the a bible concordance to find the meaning of Hebrew and Greek words and find the context in which they are used, then you basically are requiring a person to have a PhD in theology just to understand the word.

I am not trying to argue with you. But I do come to sites like this in order to offer my perspective on the bible.

But if you do not wish to indulge me in this discussion, that is your right. I am not going to try to push an agenda on you.

God be with you.

You do not need a PHD, only an open heart to take in doctrine from your right pastor teacher, he teaches, he is the one with the extensive (PHD and then some) schooling to bring the scriptures into light for his congregation. Like I said, I have been learning from him for over 32 years, and still continuing to do so, it has been a life long pursuit for me, and the happiest, and most truthful journey of my life. (I do pray that you listened to what I sent, then you can judge for yourself the Extensive teachings have mentioned, please give it a try, you have nothing to loose). God Bless....

 

[Full_Moon]

No one ever has or ever will go to heaven in their bodily (physical body) form (exception, Jesus Christ in His resurrection body), and it does not state this in the bible any where that they did. Only our soul and spirit go to be with the Lord while we await our resurrection bodies.

After 35 years of studying the bible, being highly educated, speaking/ reading all the biblical languages etc etc, alone with your incredibly superior understanding. One would think you wouldn't say such things...

Submit to scripture!! (can someone repeat this above, she put me on ignore because I called her bluff on another matter)

I find it sad when someone puffs themselves up so high, and then everyone who disagrees is wrong and dismissed. It is like an asYhoYe, who is called such by one person and can disregard it, but if EVERYONE calls that person an asYhoYe, they might start to get the hint.

Sometimes in order to learn humility, we need someone to beat the 'something' out of us first. If everyone keeps telling us the same thing, the truth of it at least might be considered eventually...

Why not eh? But if not, oh well.

It's all good.

 

[ThirdAngel]

No one ever has or ever will go to heaven in their bodily (physical body) form (exception, Jesus Christ in His resurrection body), and it does not state this in the bible any where that they did. Only our soul and spirit go to be with the Lord while we await our resurrection bodies.

And it came to pass, when the LORD was about to take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal...Then it happened, as they continued on and talked, that suddenly a chariot of fire appeared with horses of fire, and separated the two of them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. And Elisha saw it, and he cried out, “My father, my father, the chariot of Israel and its horsemen!” So he saw him no more. 2 Kings 2:1, 11, 12

By faith Enoch was taken away so that he did not see death, “and was not found, because God had taken him”; for before he was taken he had this testimony, that he pleased God. Hebrews 11:5

linssue55, this is not even debateable. I am sure that you are merely mistaken and do not really doubt what the scripture says.

This has to make us wonder. If Elijah, Moses and Enoch are in heaven in bodily form, and Jesus ascended into heaven in bodily form; then why would the rest of us be there as disembodied spirits?

 

[MioMends]

They don't blink out of existence; the Bible says that they will suffer eternally, just as Christians will live in heaven eternally.

These are my opinions and may not be true.
Yeah.

 

[linssue55]

ThirdAngel..........

http://www.rbthieme.org/asx/840_0193.asx

 

[Full_Moon]

ThirdAngel..........

http://www.rbthieme.org/asx/840_0193.asx

Got to admit, that was strange.

Socrates was a prophet?????

All that stuff about being saved and then unsaved? (maybe I missed something?)

 

[linssue55]

Matt. 25: 46 "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment; but the righteous into life eternal "

 

[GenemZ]

When God destroys those in the lake of fire the same thing happens, they just blink out of existence.

They will not blink out of existence. An example of how that is not true is revealed in the following passage.

Revelation 20:10 niv
"And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

The beast and the false prophet will be men. For ever and ever, they will be tormented. It does not end in a blink!

So whats with all the torture in between these two points when in fact these people never believed in Satan or God, so really there wish is to go to the lake of fire, non-existence. Why not just put them in the lake straight away? it is supplying them with what they wanted, is the torture part just a way of saying "nah nah see your wrong and i'm right and now your gonna pay"

They do not know who it is they believe in when its Satan. God is not concerned in a name. God is concerned with the content of what men believe. If they believe the thoughts of Satan? Yet, do not know its Satan? They believe Satan!

The torment serves a purpose. It short circuits evil thinking. It prevents evil thoughts being directed outwardly towards others. It concentrates all suffering and blame inwardly.

Torture only produces hatred for the one causing the torture after the torture stops. While it is going on, the one tortured can only concentrate on self. Torment will be the means of preventing evil thoughts being directed anymore outwardly towards others.

Grace and peace, GeneZ

 

[Andy Broadley]

can I be flippent for a minute and tell you a story?

Well I'm going to anyway....

God, Nessie and the Atheist

An atheist was spending a quiet day fishing when suddenly his boat was attacked by the Loch Ness monster. In one easy flip, the beast tossed him and his boat at least a hundred feet into the air. The monster then opened its mouth while waiting below to swallow man and boat.
As the man sailed head over heels and started to fall towards the open jaws of the ferocious beast he cried out, "Oh, my God! Help me!"
Suddenly, the scene froze in place. As the atheist hung in midair, a booming voice came out of the clouds and said, "I thought you didn't believe in Me!"
"God, come on, give me a break!" the man pleaded, "Just seconds ago I didn't believe in the Loch Ness monster either!"
"Well," said God, "now that you are a believer you must understand that I won't work miracles to snatch you from certain death in the jaws of the monster, but I can change hearts. What would you have me do?"
The atheist thinks for a minute and then says, "God, please have the Loch Ness Monster believe in You also." God replies, "So be it."
The scene starts in motion again with the atheist falling towards the ravenous jaws of the ferocious beast.
Then the Loch Ness Monster folds his claws together and says, "Lord, bless this food You have so graciously provided....."

 

[Andy Broadley]

Probably not relevent, but thought I'd share it anyway

 

[Sabertooth]

I think all people get a chance to decide if they want to believe in God or Satan
Matthew 24:14

That's a little Taoistic. The choice is to believe God or NOT believe God.