Atheist here.

[kilt]

Hi, I just wanted to try this out. The headliner says that no debates are allowed here and to go to the other forums for them, but I can't go there since I am not christian.

I guess from the Christian point of view, everybody without Christian faith would be considered as "struggling".

I have been an atheist since I was 12 years old, now I am 22. I guess you could say that I adopted an "observable" philosophy, where if it can't be demonstrated objectively, then I see no reason to believe it.

I am just curious by adopting a pure "observable" philosophy, as of right now, would it be impossible for me to believe in a God?

In other words, in order to believe in God, do I have to "feel" him?

edit: Hehe, is that really a brain there for the atheist symbol, great job.

 

[Humble Pie]

I am just curious by adopting a pure "observable" philosophy, as of right now, would it be impossible for me to believe in a God?

In other words, in order to believe in God, do I have to "feel" him?

No. God can be observed working in people's lives, in Christian's hearts, in his creation and through his word, the Holy Bible, which was inspired by the Holy Spirit.

 

[razeontherock]

Hi, I just wanted to try this out. The headliner says that no debates are allowed here and to go to the other forums for them, but I can't go there since I am not christian.

There are places you can freely participate here. In this same outreach section, there's CWR. Really diverse group there ...

Also on the home page, where you can see the vastness that is CF, if you scroll down near the bottom you'll see "Society Pages." Pretty sure you're welcome anywhere there. Often Christian participation there is rare, and it's mostly atheists et al

I guess from the Christian point of view, everybody without Christian faith would be considered as "struggling".

Nope! Entirely possible to be indifferent, complacent. Used to be the connotations of agnostic. G-d's judgment is based on our struggle, FWIW.

I am just curious by adopting a pure "observable" philosophy, as of right now, would it be impossible for me to believe in a God?

In other words, in order to believe in God, do I have to "feel" him?

No, and no; respectively. My first Pastor prayed this kind of prayer: "God if you're real, I want to know. And if you're not, I'm sorry I wasted my time." But he did also invest his time, and effort, to find out ...

G-d is observable. Just not with our 5 senses, nor in test tubes.

edit: Hehe, is that really a brain there for the atheist symbol, great job.

That icon can also be looked at as the brain being darkened. Staff is mum on the intent. anyway, welcome to CF!

 

[Soothfish]

Hi, I just wanted to try this out. The headliner says that no debates are allowed here and to go to the other forums for them, but I can't go there since I am not christian.

I guess from the Christian point of view, everybody without Christian faith would be considered as "struggling".

I have been an atheist since I was 12 years old, now I am 22. I guess you could say that I adopted an "observable" philosophy, where if it can't be demonstrated objectively, then I see no reason to believe it.

I am just curious by adopting a pure "observable" philosophy, as of right now, would it be impossible for me to believe in a God?

In other words, in order to believe in God, do I have to "feel" him?

edit: Hehe, is that really a brain there for the atheist symbol, great job.

What are you observing? What type of scientific experiment would you need to develop in order to demonstrate that God exists?

Keep in mind here that this involves our tiny animal brains attempting to understand the physical nature of a one-being power equal to a staggering level 7 on the Kardashev scale! The task is so astronomical that none of the greatest scientists in history have attempted to do it. Even a devout Christian like Isaac Newton didn't bother. It might have been fun for them to attempt it but ultimately a waste of time. Lucky for us, they dedicated their efforts towards a more available set of empirical data.

Demanding that human beings demonstrate God scientifically is equal to demanding that we build a starship before anyone believes in gravity!

So yes we are pretty much left with no choice but to have faith based on small bits of ancient history and the workings of the Holy Spirit. This is not as bad as it sounds but it isn't always easy. It can be the hardest thing imaginable! The alternative is to be something other than mere 21st century mortal humans and see God eye to eye. We aren't at that stage yet!

 

[drich0150]

I am just curious by adopting a pure "observable" philosophy, as of right now, would it be impossible for me to believe in a God?

No.

In other words, in order to believe in God, do I have to "feel" him?

Actually if "feeling God" is your only measure of Him then you are doing something wrong.

edit: He he, is that really a brain there for the atheist symbol, great job

He he, it is actually 1/2 of a brain, but you are right it was a great job assigning that icon to Atheism.

 

[kilt]

how would I witness God then without any emotion?

 

[kilt]

What are you observing? What type of scientific experiment would you need to develop in order to demonstrate that God exists?

Keep in mind here that this involves our tiny animal brains attempting to understand the physical nature of a one-being power equal to a staggering level 7 on the Kardashev scale! The task is so astronomical that none of the greatest scientists in history have attempted to do it. Even Isaac Newton didn't bother. It might have been fun for them to attempt it but ultimately a waste of time. Lucky for us, they dedicated their efforts towards a more available set of empirical data.

Demanding that human beings demonstrate God scientifically is equal to demanding that we build a starship before anyone believes in gravity!

So yes we are pretty much left with no choice but to have faith based on small bits of ancient history and the workings of the Holy Spirit. This is not as bad as it sounds but it isn't always easy. It can be the hardest thing imaginable! The alternative is to be something other than mere 21st century mortal humans and see God eye to eye. We aren't at that stage yet!

I do not know, but if god is omniscient, then he would know how to convert me.

 

[drich0150]

how would I witness God then without any emotion?

You follow the prescribed path scripture laid out in the bible and then see if you reap what has been promised.

 

[kilt]

What is the prescribed path?

 

[makeitwork]

i have a personal relationship with JESUS, it's personal because HE knows my heart.

 

[joey_downunder]

Are you open to surfing websites that provide objective evidence for the Christian faith?
http://www.tektonics.org/mainhub.html

This website has a lot of debates between christians and non-christians as well. Apologetics 315

 

[rockytopva]

If E=mc2 then one can divide and arrive at the conclusion that m = E/c2.

Therefore everything came together with energy and light... Otherwise E ≠mc2.

I believe that all matter was once part of God... He donated a little of himself with the creation of the universe... Mass is on loan from him until he disassociates it back into energy and light.

The Power of Motivation and E/c2 with Zig Ziglar - YouTube

 

[Soothfish]

I do not know, but if god is omniscient, then he would know how to convert me.

He does know how to convert you and it may just end up happening at some point in the future.

 

[drich0150]

What is the prescribed path?

It is outlined in detail in the first part of Luke 11

 

[Sharon10]

God works in mysterious ways. The best thing that ever happened in my life was to know Jesus Christ. In fact, the reason I'm alive today is because Jesus intervened in my life. I would suggest you ask God to reveal Himself to you. When I was a teenager, I read the biography of Sadhu Sundar Singh, a Sikh who had a revelation of Jesus Christ. This Sikh told God that he would wait one whole night and if God did not appear to him, he would commit suicide in front of the train that passes near his house. In the middle of the night, there was a bright light shining in his room, and Jesus Christ appeared to him. sadhus life changed from that day, he is one of the greatest saints of India. Get to know Jesus, there is nothing in this world that can be compared to Jesus.

 

[Scott1979]

Kilt,

Everyone has to decide for themself if God exists. It is a subject that has been debated forever basically and I have no doubt it will continue to be debated until the end of time. You will not find any concrete proof that He does exist. Everyone experiences God in there own way. I experience God when I pray for others. It has a nice calming effect on me.

To a certain degree I think it is wrong for people who do believe to come into a thread like this and post Bible verses. There referring to a book they believe in and it does an atheist no good to see Bible verses when they do not believe in the same book.

Good luck in your search and I hope you approach it with an open mind and heart.

 

[Faulty]

I do not know, but if god is omniscient, then he would know how to convert me.

He does.

He gave you your conscience, proving you contain a dimension which the rest of creation doesn't have. You cannot have come from animals as they have no capacity of morality on any level, from the simple to the most complex.

He gave you His creation, from the complexity contained within the smallest cell, to the largest universal system, and the synchronicity of all these things as a general revelation that a designer exists.

Then He gave you His scripture, containing hundreds of detailed prophecies, fulfilled completely, to the smallest detail, to show the one who gave such a word, is the one who gave you everything else.

With these, He says you are without excuse. It is more than sufficient for you to believe on Him, and countless others have rightly done so with even far less.

 

[Jonathan95]

Many people feel a new love and a new way to look at people, and at the nature and the animals and so, when they become born-again. I did that.

 

[kilt]

He does.

He gave you your conscience, proving you contain a dimension which the rest of creation doesn't have. You cannot have come from animals as they have no capacity of morality on any level, from the simple to the most complex.

He gave you His creation, from the complexity contained within the smallest cell, to the largest universal system, and the synchronicity of all these things as a general revelation that a designer exists.

Then He gave you His scripture, containing hundreds of detailed prophecies, fulfilled completely, to the smallest detail, to show the one who gave such a word, is the one who gave you everything else.

With these, He says you are without excuse. It is more than sufficient for you to believe on Him, and countless others have rightly done so with even far less.

1. wrong, there are many examples of animals displaying basic morality.

2. This is a complete assumption.

3. What prophecies? Give me the most detailed prophecy please.

Even if animals displayed no morality, how does that prove God? By creation I am assuming the universe, how do you get to the point that there is a designer besides assuming?

It is outlined in detail in the first part of Luke 11

Hey, I will check that out and come back to you.

Are you open to surfing websites that provide objective evidence for the Christian faith?

Can you give me the most convincing ones please?

 

[kilt]

It is outlined in detail in the first part of Luke 11

Hey, I will check that out and come back to you.