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I am wondering if this whole "I don't care for" phrase is actually a way to say " I do not find them emotionally or sexually gratifying". Which is different from caring about someone.
I would not even make that assumption. I think your interests are simply limited, and I am not even saying that is wrong or unnatural. Like any tree hugger who cares about a tree, doesn't necessarily want to study each tree and find out how many leaves it has. But they would certainly give it water if they could see it was suffering.Interesting. Maybe it would be more correct to say that I don't like people, but I do care enough to help.
Not from me. I mean it in I don't care about the details of their life or other such things. I don't typically want to know. I have my friends and the people I care about and those people I care about the details, but random people aren't those people. I am highly annoyed when people I don't know try to talk to me or approach me. I just don't like it.
Its not even that, if we are to discuss anything, then a defined meaning needs to be applied. So in the instance of 'not caring' I define that with a set of understanding's about what 'not caring' entails, and LoAmmi's description didn't fit with my understanding.
Ok, this is a cultural expression that I do not use. I have heard it before, but the words themselves give a very different meaning than what is intended. If you said "I don't like someone", that would not have implied that you would not care about their suffering, and I would not have seen anything malicious in that being said. Would that phrase have sufficed for what you said?When I say, "I don't care for someone" it means I do not like their personality, their disposition and I probably don't have much trust for them either.
It is what I am positing, the emotion that causes us to choose not to care about someone when that person needs us to care. What do you think of that?Does it mean I hate them, no, not in the least. Hate is a strong emotion, which goes well beyond, simply not liking or caring for a particular person
At some point in their life, they have changed something about themselves and feel better for doing it. In doing so, they identify others who have the same burden they have just been freed from and are eager to help them get liberated. The problem with this is with a perceived everlasting destination. Their perception changed when they repented, instead of being certain that they will go to hell, they became certain that they will go to heaven. You can't blame them for wanting to share that peace of mind, but it doesn't necessarily mean they are right about it, it just means that they are convinced that they are right about it. Some people who are like that are actually so dedicated to the cause that they will want to know your reasons for not agreeing, because this is how we learn to be more reasonable. Some people get frustrated and instead of pursuing the truth, give an ultimatum. Others still may find there is some emotional reward from feeling that they are on the right side of the tracks, and go about bragging to get more of the same high. Sometimes people will observe a discontent and simply be wanting to help with that.So to shift gears again I want to address something I hear quite frequently: "I want you to become a Christian because I care about your immortal soul".
Barring the fact that I'm even sure what having a soul even entails, I find this phrase to be a little contrived or patronizing. The average guy on the street telling me that he cares about my soul doesn't do much after he follows it up with 'well your whole life is wrong and you're wrong therefore bad and do this or be condemned'. On one hand I can see that the fear of hell is alive in many of these types of preacher's eyes but on the other hand there has to be a better way to approach this; preferably one that doesn't require talking down to me.
Does anyone get the feeling that when most people share their religion with you its because they feel superior (even if they don't mean to) and converting you is just a notch on your belt? That's the impression I always got with people I knew, but I come from a young crowd that doesn't really know their way entirely.
Still adults do it all the time; "Live this lifestyle because its the best and you're evil!"
Thoughts?
Does anyone get the feeling that when most people share their religion with you its because they feel superior (even if they don't mean to) and converting you is just a notch on your belt? That's the impression I always got with people I knew, but I come from a young crowd that doesn't really know their way entirely.
Still adults do it all the time; "Live this lifestyle because its the best and you're evil!"
Thoughts?
It was bhsmte's statement that I was enquiring to originally, since he said that he didn't care for someone and that meant to me that he must hate them. How can you not want to care about someone unless you wish for them to suffer? It didn't make sense. Now I see his statement had a different meaning:
Ok, this is a cultural expression that I do not use. I have heard it before, but the words themselves give a very different meaning than what is intended. If you said "I don't like someone", that would not have implied that you would not care about their suffering, and I would not have seen anything malicious in that being said. Would that phrase have sufficed for what you said?
It is what I am positing, the emotion that causes us to choose not to care about someone when that person needs us to care. What do you think of that?
They shouldn't feel superior. Especially a Christian as their salvation is nothing they did, but the work of God. Feeling superior because of that is silly.
People feel superior for all sorts of things that are not attached to any achievement of their own: being American, being Caucasian, being a member of a rich family...
So if people believe that they have been "born again from above" - what does it matter that it wasn't their own achievement? They still believe that they ARE superior by virtue of that grace: reformed creatures, headed for heaven where everybody else is headed for hell, mired in sin and abjection.
That's correct. And it's silly and 'in the flesh' to feel superior about any of that stuff.
I have no problems with sports and sure enjoy some soccer (real football!) but I'm not committed to the obsession like others because I personally had no intervention in a team winning.
I reckon flesh=me and spirit=God.
Still it's saying flesh is bad where spirit is good. I guess I just don't agree that all flesh things are bad. I don't agree when people say there's a higher spiritual thing.
All flesh isn't bad. Point was when one focuses on the flesh they focus on themselves and what they want and how they feel. It gets even more ugly when people take their desires and use their religion to advance them as we see so often.
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