Atheism

[Eudaimonist]

most people don't have an intellectual problem with theism, but an accountability problem.

So, you aren't going to answer my question? At least ask it of yourself in the privacy of your mind.

Regarding this "accountability" idea, it's just something Christians tell themselves so they don't have to face the idea that people might be non-Christian for honest reasons.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Eudaimonist]

Well, yeah. I don't want to commit to anything not demonstrably true.

This ^


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[createdtoworship]

So, you aren't going to answer my question? At least ask it of yourself in the privacy of your mind.

Regarding this "accountability" idea, it's just something Christians tell themselves so they don't have to face the idea that people might be non-Christian for honest reasons.


eudaimonia,

Mark

If they were more conservative than typical theists I might agree with you here.

 

[createdtoworship]

Most people don't believe in Christianity (or any other religion, for that matter) because they don't believe it's true. Why aren't you a Muslim, Jain, Hindu, or Buddhist? Because you don't believe they're true. Not because you have some strange phobia to accountability, not because of some spiritual warfare that turns you away from the One True Religion that is Jainism, not because you have hardened your heart towards Brahaman, not because you secretly know Odin exists but just hate him - you just don't believe those religions are true.

That's why it's so silly to accuse atheists of hating God, or of shirking accountability - it's simply not true, and just belies the disconnect between reality and the theist's worldview.

Aldous Huxley, himself an atheist had this to say."I had motives for not wanting the world to have a meaning; consequently (I) assumed that it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption. The philosopher who finds no meaning in the world is not concerned exclusively with a problem in pure metaphysics, he is also concerned to prove that there is no valid reason why he personally should not do as he wants to do, or why his friends should not seize political power and govern in the way that they find most advantageous to themselves....For myself, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an instrument of liberation, sexual and political."

 

[Non sequitur]

why would myths start about "weather, disease, and natural disasters"? I would think things like the stars, moon and sun are better equipped to start mything about.

All things not explained are excellent opportunities for myths to begin.

 

[createdtoworship]

All things not explained are excellent opportunities for myths to begin.

what myths started about disease for example?

 

[Non sequitur]

what myths started about disease for example?

Pandora's box for evil (disease).

 

[createdtoworship]

Pandora's box for evil (disease).

that myth contains all evil, but pandora's box didn't start because of disease for example. It started for ALL the evils in the world (in general).

 

[Non sequitur]

that myth contains all evil, but pandora's box didn't start because of disease for example. It started for ALL the evils in the world (in general).

HIV and teh gheys?

Ulcers are caused by spicy food?

Apollo in Illiad?

 

[createdtoworship]

HIV and teh gheys?

Ulcers are caused by spicy food?

Apollo in Illiad?

apollo was both the healer and bringer of disease, so we cannot say that this myth was started by disease.

also you are confusing urban myths from general myths in question.

 

[Non sequitur]

apollo was both the healer and bringer of disease, so we cannot say that this myth was started by disease.

Since we weren't there, we don't really know, so we cannot say that this myth was not started by disease.

also you are confusing urban myths from general myths in question.

No.

You are now adding "urban" and "general" in front of myths, now, making two separate categories.

Are you confusing what you asked from what you might have meant to specifically ask?

 

[Non sequitur]

what myths started about disease for example?

The Cherokee believe(d) that all human disease and suffering originated with the killing of animals for improper purposes. For each animal killed for pleasure or without proper ceremonies, it allowed a new disease to enter the physical world from the spirit world.

 

[Non sequitur]

I gave you the Greek word for Drunkards, and one definition is "intoxicated".

Also, yes smoking is drug using, it alters the mind and it intoxicates you. It's Sorcery.

No there is nothing removed from the early biblical texts.
You are deceived, I gave you the Word of God proving that smoking is Sin.

1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

What happens when his His Word (that has been removed) contradicts your His Word (that was left intact)?

Who is right, who is wrong and how can this logically be determined?

 

[Jonathan95]

The Bible is the inerrant Word of God. God will not make it so hard for us, by the means you said. He's not a God of confusion and error. (2 Timothy 1:7) For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

1 Thessalonians 2:13
For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

 

[Jonathan95]

What happens when his His Word (that has been removed) contradicts your His Word (that was left intact)?

Who is right, who is wrong and how can this logically be determined?

His Word is not removed. Look at my post above - my reply to Jesus pipes.

 

[Non sequitur]

His Word is not removed. Look at my post above - my reply to Jesus pipes.

He said that have been removed from early Biblical texts, the smoking parts. And everybody knows that your bible has been edited (adding, subtracting, etc).

Why is he not as right or more right than you?

 

[mkatzwork]

smoking is drug using, it alters the mind and it intoxicates you. It's Sorcery.

Fructose is an analgesic - a drug. Are oranges sorcery?

How is the (naturally occurring) nicotine in tobacco different to the (naturally occurring) glucose in oranges?

 

[mkatzwork]

Also in another glorious contradiction, the NT condemns drunkenness (Ephesians 5:18, 1 Cor 6:12), but clearly forgets Jesus' point that it really doesn't matter; in Matthew 15:11, because whatever goes in a man's mouth doesn't actually make any difference.

Matt 15:17 shows God didn't let Jesus in on the whole "nutrition" thing he'd created.

 

[createdtoworship]

The Cherokee believe(d) that all human disease and suffering originated with the killing of animals for improper purposes. For each animal killed for pleasure or without proper ceremonies, it allowed a new disease to enter the physical world from the spirit world.

what does that have to do with diety or myths about God?

 

[Non sequitur]

what does that have to do with diety or myths about God?

The question was myths about disease, not about dieties or gods.