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That's not an atheist. That's a skeptic. Those aren't perfectly overlapping categories.
eudaimonia,
Mark
Your dictionary? Which one would that be?
Popularity is not an indicator of the truth. Just because millions believe it doesn't make it true.
Ya know; if you wanna believe it, knock yourself out; but don't be surprised if someone else implies the same skeptism to your unsubstantiated claims of a trancended Holy Spirit as you apply to my unsubstantiated claim of trancended fairies.
Which of course means that if something is untestable (transcendent) we can make whatever claims we want and no one can gainsay us.
Not.
I just assumed you KNEW that most believers ARE adults. My bad.
Really? You and I hang out with a different circle of people. Personally, I've never met an adult who believes in Santa Claus.
I disagree! After years of study and observation, I give zero (0) weight to the possibility of the reality of phenomena allegedly experienced by millions and I give zero(0) weight to the possibility of such claims by the mere five, thus they are given the same weight.Who said it did???
The fact remains that anyone who would give equal weight to the remote possibility of the reality of phenomena allegedly experience by millions, as he would to that experienced by a mere five is a philosophical moron, not even fit for jury duty.
I doubt it. I have read a lot of writings by ancient Greeks and never ran across that. But perhaps you'd like to share what you found in regard to ancient Greek testimonies involving experiences with Zeus.
Sorry. That would not be a transcendent claim. These people think the empirical Elvis Presley is still alive.
I see. You're on record as saying we should give equal weight to the claims of Kierkegaard, Karl Barth, Jimmy Carter, George Washington, and millions of others, as we do to the claims of people who say they have seen Elvis.
Hopefully, most atheists are not that irrational.
You are contradicting yourself and being snobbish about it.
Really? You and I hang out with a different circle of people. Personally, I've never met an adult who believes in Santa Claus.
I disagree! After years of study and observation, I give zero (0) weight to the possibility of the reality of phenomena allegedly experienced by millions and I give zero(0) weight to the possibility of such claims by the mere five, thus they are given the same weight.
Your claim that I should give some weight to one claim simply because millions believe it
Read any book on Greek Mythology.
You didn't specify that. All you said was "hundreds who claim to have experienced the reality of Jesus Christ."
And hundreds, if not more, also claim to have experienced the reality of Elvis.
I don't think Edith Hamilton will tell me if any ancient Greek citizens claim to have had a transcendent experience with Zeus.
Wrong. I never said that.
I have never met anyone who claims to have experienced the reality of Zeus. And yet we have both met hundreds who claim to have experienced the reality of Jesus Christ. Should both testimonies be given equal weight, i.e. ZERO, when contemplating the POSSIBILITY that there might be a realm that transcends the empirical?
So in weighing even the remote possibility of inexplicable phenomena which you've never experienced, you'd give equal consideration to the testimonies of one group of people as you would to another group who outnumbers them by a factor of a million? I don't believe that is very rational.
How can you be sure that what you, or *anyone* else, has experienced was a "transcendent" moment? Is all we have your word for this?Who said it did???
The fact remains that anyone who would give equal weight to the remote possibility of the reality of phenomena allegedly experience by millions, as he would to that experienced by a mere five is a philosophical moron, not even fit for jury duty.
Surprised? You are precisely wrong. I would be surprised if people who have not experienced a transcendent moment in their lives would NOT be skeptical. I sure was once.
I think the point (not that I necessarily agree with it) is that one is transcendent, and the other is not.
No, you believe one to be transcendent and the other not. You clearly assume that Jesus wasn't a mere human being, and you lack faith in the Risen Elvis.
As I said, I don't actually believe this. I think that was stiggywiggy's distinction between the two cases, but as you say it is perfectly questionable.
Seems like his "asumption" has become quite a dogma for him. He's made a career out of declaring his assumptions.
How can you be sure that what you, or *anyone* else, has experienced was a "transcendent" moment? Is all we have your word for this?
How can you demonstrate this 'transcendence' to me?
There may be other far more parsimonious explanations for these experiences.
So in weighing even the remote possibility of inexplicable phenomena which you've never experienced, you'd give equal consideration to the testimonies of one group of people as you would to another group who outnumbers them by a factor of a million? I don't believe that is very rational.
Then it shouldn't be hard for you to point out the alleged contradiction. Call the first quote of mine Statement #1,. then supply statement #2, and we'll see if they contradict.
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OK, you want that to be staement #1?
You can take it from here.
Do explain. Why should we discount the claims of people who have seen Elvis, and yet count the claims of people who have seen Jesus?
eudaimonia,
Mark
I've seen Santa every year at my local mall since I was little. He's there now, actually. And there are witnesses. Lots of them. And many are ardent believers.
Really? You and I hang out with a different circle of people. Personally, I've never met an adult who believes in Santa Claus.
Please quote where I said the believers were adults. I don't recall writing it.
I just assumed you KNEW that most believers ARE adults. My bad.
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