Atheism

[franklin]

"Franklinlogic".



Which "law of logic" makes the assertion that you don't need to prove a negative assertion of belief.

Perhaps you need to do your homework and find out for yourself. Suppose I were to ask you to prove the nonexistence of invisible unicorns. As you can see, you can't prove a negative. BTW, it's not my logic. It's logic governed by reason. My atheism isn't based on belief there is no God. My atheism is the denial of the assumptions of theism. Gods, devils, ghosts, spirits, wizards and even those unicorns you keep hearing about that are all related to one another. They are all impossible entities invented in the minds of humans that are not part of objective reality, fact and truth. In short, you can't prove something that is not based on fact and reality. A negative isn't something provable objectively. So here's your homework assignment little boy. Look up the terms, logic, reason, objective, reality, fact, absolute, knowledge, perception and truth. Keep me posted when you learn something and are able to engage in a more logical discussion. Looks like you have your work cut out for you.

 

[Jersey]

That is the best atheist siggy I have seen yet

Don't get me wrong. I’m not saying religion doesn’t have its uses. Personally I turn to it whenever I want my intelligence insulted. And the holy scriptures come in very handy when I need to justify behaviour I’m ashamed of. -- Pat Condell

Hmm, that's interesting, coming from someone who is religious or who is part of a religion. You do know who Pat Condell is do you not?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Hmm, that's interesting, coming from someone who is religious or who is part of a religion. You do know who Pat Condell is do you not?

Pat Condell (born 1 November 1949) is an English stand-up comedian, writer, and Internet personality. He got in to comedy during the 1980s performing alternative comedy around the City of London, UK.
An outspoken atheist, Condell hosts a series of widely-viewed short video monologues denouncing religion. His videos have been featured on the front page of video sharing websites including LiveLeak and YouTube. His videos have caused him to receive hundreds of death threats and also lots of support.

He's neither religious, nor part of religion. And as LLoJ said, it's an atheist quote.

From Wikipedia.

 

[Rasta]

Perhaps you need to do your homework and find out for yourself.

Perhaps you should only act like you know what you are talking about, you know, when you do. I have done my homework. That is why I'm teaching you.

Suppose I were to ask you to prove the nonexistence of invisible unicorns.

That would be valid, if I said that I believed in invisible unicorns.

As you can see, you can't prove a negative.

That is base reasoning. Suppose I were to ask you to prove the existence of invisible unicorns. As you can see, you can't prove a positive. Do you comprehend how your reasoning is off?

BTW, it's not my logic. It's logic governed by reason.

Yeah, YOUR reason, which is why you draw poor conclusions.

My atheism isn't based on belief there is no God. My atheism is the denial of the assumptions of theism.

So you are an agnostic atheist too. Cool.

Gods, devils, ghosts, spirits, wizards and even those unicorns you keep hearing about that are all related to one another. They are all impossible entities invented in the minds of humans that are not part of objective reality, fact and truth.

Preachin to the choir chump.

In short, you can't prove something that is not based on fact and reality.

Really? WOW.

A negative isn't something provable objectively.

That's completely wrong. The sun doesn't exist, is a negative assertion, yet that is something that can be proven wrong.

So here's your homework assignment little boy.

Thanks grandpa. Does grandpa feel stupid that a little boy is teaching him how to make proper inferences?

Look up the terms, logic, reason, objective, reality, fact, absolute, knowledge, perception and truth.

Done.

Keep me posted when you learn something and are able to engage in a more logical discussion. Looks like you have your work cut out for you.

Do you think your snide behavior does anything besideds make you look unintelligent? I'm curious, seriously. Oh and feel free to respond to my previous response that you ignored.

 

[Jersey]

Pat Condell (born 1 November 1949) is an English stand-up comedian, writer, and Internet personality. He got in to comedy during the 1980s performing alternative comedy around the City of London, UK.
An outspoken atheist, Condell hosts a series of widely-viewed short video monologues denouncing religion. His videos have been featured on the front page of video sharing websites including LiveLeak and YouTube. His videos have caused him to receive hundreds of death threats and also lots of support.

He's neither religious, nor part of religion. And as LLoJ said, it's an atheist quote.

From Wikipedia.

I'm very well aware of the fact that Condell isn't part of a religion. He's an atheist. I was just curious as to why a religious person was so impressed by a statement that criticizes religion. I'll wait and see what LLJ has to say on that. Thanks for your input.

 

[Thekla]

As an atheist I try not to believe in things therefore, atheism is not a religion. Far from it.

Atheism is simply looking at life from a rational and objective perspective.

Excuse me for 'jumping in', but is this viewpoint also utilized in matters of interpersonal relationship/s ?

 

[LondonMatt]

I was an atheist until a few months ago, it wasnt anything like a religion for me I simply didnt have any religious believes (or any interest in religion). I grew up in an atheist household in a country where most people arent particularly religious and it simply wasnt anything that impacted on my life.

My father and grandfather were Communists which atheism is of course a part of, and thats a belief system that does resemble religious faith in many ways.

 

[Tinker Grey]

I was an atheist until a few months ago, it wasnt anything like a religion for me I simply didnt have any religious believes (or any interest in religion). I grew up in an atheist household in a country where most people arent particularly religious and it simply wasnt anything that impacted on my life.

What changed your mind?

My father and grandfather were Communists which atheism is of course a part of, and thats a belief system that does resemble religious faith in many ways.

I hope by that you mean that communists tend to be atheists, but not that atheists tend to be communists.

Notice, too, I used the word tend. Not all communists are atheist; not all atheists are communists

 

[Rasta]

Excuse me for 'jumping in', but is this viewpoint also utilized in matters of interpersonal relationship/s ?

I personally do not. I need not try to be objective when determining my favorite flavor of ice cream, or who I most enjoy hanging out with, as these are all matters of taste (subjective).

It is only when dealing with aspects of physical reality, as our opinions do not change what is.

 

[Im_A]

Excuse me for 'jumping in', but is this viewpoint also utilized in matters of interpersonal relationship/s ?

this question i wanted to answer as well if that is ok. i can't speak for Jersey and i am not meaning to in any way.

for me, yes it does. quoting Jersey to fully explain myself:

As an atheist I try not to believe in things therefore, atheism is not a religion. Far from it.

Atheism is simply looking at life from a rational and objective perspective.

if i am to look at the god-concept, so called "spiritual" things through a rational and objective perspective, for me, you learn quick that there is no reason to just keep it there. you want to look at the rest of life through those lens and only those lens.

so in the sense of interpersonal relationships, yes i do. i haven't had an intimate, romantic relationship in over 2 years now because i've been looking at this issue for me rationally and objectively and it thus put my past under a critical microscope and needless to say i wasn't please whatsoever and was actually angry at the way i was in my past. my friends are seeing a new side of me. i have 2 really close friends that over the years, i have strayed from contact with them. so i have been making my way to really try to reconcile the wrongs i have done to them. my family, i am realizing how much work i need to do to gain a stable relationship with my father.

i am no where near perfect or where i want to be, but for some reason, i can utilizing the very same method that i used to dismiss the god belief and the religious life has for some reason been extremely enlightening in all areas of my life.

 

[Im_A]

I personally do not. I need not try to be objective when determining my favorite flavor of ice cream, or who I most enjoy hanging out with, as these are all matters of taste (subjective).

It is only when dealing with aspects of physical reality, as our opinions do not change what is.

i do agree that most matters are subjective. but for some reason, for only myself, and again this is only a subjective experience of my own, the minute i put the god-concept, and spiritual things under a rational and objective viewpoint, it made all other areas of my life "pop out", regardless of them being subjective.

i suppose i can say it best that for myself alone, the past couple of years i've been looking at my subjective experiences rationally and objectively. it may have been for the first time for myself or at best, the first time looking at my subjective experiences objectively without having religious influences.

 

[Thekla]

Thank-you both for your explanations !

I was curious, as it is hard to understand how the possibility of "competing rational ideations" might be resolved in relationship.

 

[Im_A]

Thank-you both for your explanations !

I was curious, as it is hard to understand how the possibility of "competing rational ideations" might be resolved in relationship.

your welcome.

one thing to keep in mind tho it may be different for the individual. like Rasta said, these things are subjective. i think it can be rightfully said that we deal with our subjective experiences differently.

some may deal with their subjective experiences subjectively, some may deal with them objectively. i don't think one is better than the other. i just prefer to deal with them objectively.

 

[Eudaimonist]

My father and grandfather were Communists which atheism is of course a part of, and thats a belief system that does resemble religious faith in many ways.

I'm an atheist who is also a liberal capitalist. Atheism is a "part" of many things.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I was an atheist until a few months ago, it wasnt anything like a religion for me I simply didnt have any religious believes (or any interest in religion). I grew up in an atheist household in a country where most people arent particularly religious and it simply wasnt anything that impacted on my life.

If I may ask, why did you convert?

My father and grandfather were Communists which atheism is of course a part of,

Erm, no, it's not. Atheism is an absence of belief in the existence or non-existence of deities. Communism is a theory on socio-economics. They are completely unrelated.

and thats a belief system that does resemble religious faith in many ways.

Which just shows that it isn't the same as atheism.

 

[Jersey]

As an atheist I try not to believe in things therefore, atheism is not a religion. Far from it.

Atheism is simply looking at life from a rational and objective perspective.


Excuse me for 'jumping in', but is this viewpoint also utilized in matters of interpersonal relationship/s ?

Jump in all you want, no problem ....

Well, let me ask you this: Why wouldn't you want to utilize such methods in matters of relationships?

 

[Thekla]

Jump in all you want, no problem ....

Well, let me ask you this: Why wouldn't you want to utilize such methods in matters of relationships?

Perhaps you could explain how such a method works "in the trenches" ?

 

[Tinker Grey]

Speaking of jumping in ...

How it would work: My hormones are raging; that person is hot; I want to pursue; Oh wait (reason), I'm unavailable/That person is unavailable, therefore (logic) I will not pursue.

How about also in appetite: (Passion) I want chocolate ice cream; (Passion) I also want a piece of cheesecake; (Reason) I should only eat one thing, therefore I must choose; (Reason) which taste do I think I would prefer at this moment? I will choose cheesecake.

For a person such as myself, no decision goes by without reason being invoked ... with the possible exception of entrenched physical habits such as scratching an itch, fiddling with my glasses, etc. It should go without saying that, too, autonomic responses such as breathing go by with neither reason nor passion dictating the behavior.

 

[Thekla]

This makes sense -- from the point of "I". But in relationships, two "variant reasons" may be involved.

I suppose part of my question comes from my experience as a mom; in interaction with infants, how can reason be the method for relationship (ie all, not some) ?

 

[Tinker Grey]

This makes sense -- from the point of "I". But in relationships, two "variant reasons" may be involved.

What other perspective is there but "I". Sure, we can consider other perspectives. But my perception is my perception and thus is still from "I".

My reason may account (if I am a good person) for another person. And can. And should.

I suppose part of my question comes from my experience as a mom; in interaction with infants, how can reason be the method for relationship (ie all, not some) ?

I'm not sure what your question means. Could you expound? Thanks.