Atheism is amoral

[quatona]

However, I still hold to my statement that it is foundational to the worldview.

...and you are still in error.

 

[gaara4158]

Already established. However, I still hold to my statement that it is foundational to the worldview.

I can’t speak for all atheists, but generally in my experience, a lack of a god isn’t foundational to most atheists’ worldview. The role it plays in our worldview isn’t “God doesn’t exist, therefore something else exists.” It’s more like “The burden of proof for reasonable belief is X. As it happens, I have encountered no claims of God’s existence that meet that burden of proof. Therefore God’s existence, being unproven, is not a part of my worldview.”

 

[Hieronymus]

There's no such thing. Not even in your bible.

You're an atheist, so in your view indeed there is no such thing.
But you're wrong about the Bible.
I think you (and the person who liked your post) ought to know better too, since you're engaging in discussions with Christians.
The Absolute Moral is Love.
It's the Law of the New Covenant.

 

[Hieronymus]

Neither is atheism.

Atheism is mainly naturalism:
the philosophical belief that everything arises from natural properties and causes, and supernatural or spiritual explanations are excluded or discounted.

 

[Hieronymus]

False. Atheism is not a worldview that comes with doctrines, claims and what-not.
What it is, is no more or less then "not accepting the theist worldview".

Fine, but you're left with naturalism as the alternative.

(PS: It's tagiatelle)

 

[Dave RP]

I can’t speak for all atheists, but generally in my experience, a lack of a god isn’t foundational to most atheists’ worldview. The role it plays in our worldview isn’t “God doesn’t exist, therefore something else exists.” It’s more like “The burden of proof for reasonable belief is X. As it happens, I have encountered no claims of God’s existence that meet that burden of proof. Therefore God’s existence, being unproven, is not a part of my worldview.”

I agree with your opening line - I very rarely think about whether god exists or not, it might come up when I'm in church with my Christian Partner, or when on this site but otherwise it just doesn't come into my head.

As I live my daily life, travelling on the tube, going to work, at work, in the pub the existence or otherwise of god doesn't come into my thoughts. I don't need the fear of what god might or might not do when he judges me to behave in a particular way, we should all live lives which respect others, atheists don't need a god in the background to do this and in reality neither do people of faith, whatever that faith might be.

 

[gaara4158]

Fine, but you're left with naturalism as the alternative.

Theism is not the only brand of supernatural belief, unfortunately.

 

[quatona]

You're an atheist, so in your view indeed there is no such thing.
But you're wrong about the Bible.
I think you (and the person who liked your post) ought to know better too, since you're engaging in discussions with Christians.
The Absolute Moral is Love.
It's the Law of the New Covenant.

Empty claims are a dime a dozen.

 

[Hieronymus]

Theism is not the only brand of supernatural belief, unfortunately.

That's true, there's also things like animism / pantheism.
In fact, the idea of everything = God = everything is gaining popularity.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Atheism is mainly naturalism:
the philosophical belief that everything arises from natural properties and causes, and supernatural or spiritual explanations are excluded or discounted.

Ha, as an atheist that used to believe in ghosts, I can say otherwise.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

Atheism is mainly naturalism

No, atheism is atheism. Naturalism is naturalism. Atheism is compatible as part of a naturalistic worldview, but is not equivalent to it.

You guys are really intent on maintaining basic category errors for the sake of your lame apologetics, aren't you?

 

[Hieronymus]

No, naturalism is naturalism. Atheism is compatible with naturalism,

And so it is mainly naturalism.
Why?
There aren't many options to choose from and it's hard not to choose.
Every person has a worldview. This can either be supernaturalistic or naturalistic, or both such as in pantheism / animism.

 

[Hieronymus]

...but please correct me when (and where) i'm wrong.

 

[bhsmte]

And so it is mainly naturalism.
Why?
There aren't many options to choose from and it's hard not to choose.
Every person has a worldview. This can either be supernaturalistic or naturalistic, or both such as in pantheism / animism.

Atheists can hold super naturalists views, they just dont include a god, being part of that.

 

[Hieronymus]

Ha, as an atheist that used to believe in ghosts, I can say otherwise.

This is the confusion surrounding the term "Atheist" i suppose.
Maybe i'm old, but as i was taught, people like Dawkins are atheists, those who believe God does not exist.
They usually have a problem with the idea that God might possibly exist too.
Nowadays many who i would classify as agnostics call themselves atheists too.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

And so it is mainly naturalism.

No. I hate to break it to you, but A still does not equal B. It equals A. Naturalism is naturalism, and atheism is atheism. One is a worldview, the other is a philosophical stance pertaining to one thing - the existence of gods.

What is your excuse for your extremely basic confusion on this matter?

 

[bhsmte]

This is the confusion surrounding the term "Atheist" i suppose.
Maybe i'm old, but as i was taught, people like Dawkins are atheists, those who believe God does not exist.
They usually have a problem with the idea that God might possibly exist too.
Nowadays many who i would classify as agnostics call themselves atheists too.

IMO, it is only confusing to those who desire creating a strawman argument.

 

[Hieronymus]

This is the confusion surrounding the term "Atheist" i suppose.
Maybe i'm old, but as i was taught, people like Dawkins are atheists, those who believe God does not exist.

This definition is also supported by the origins of the word "atheism" / "atheist" by the way.
But i suppose the meaning of words is susceptible to mutation and natural selection..

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

I still hold to my statement that it is foundational to the worldview.

What you mean to say is, it is foundational to you, and your worldview.

It is utterly irrelevant to me.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

IMO, it is only confusing to those who desire creating a strawman argument.

Getting rid of intentional obfuscation would eliminate about 90% of all apologetics.