Atheism Disproven?

[Freth]

God specifically forbids having other gods, or making any thing in heaven or the earth into a god and worshiping it. God designed us to worship Him.

If we don't worship Him, something else becomes our god. It could be science, philosophy, Star Wars, the Marvel universe, Harry Potter, your favorite hobby, sports, your job, money, sex... any thing in this world. There is something everyone puts front and center in their lives as an object of worship, because it is our created nature.

No matter your beliefs, you worship something. All of us do.The difference between Christians and atheists is who/what you worship. Christians choose to worship God, instead of any thing in the world, because it's what God wants.

 

[Desk trauma]

i find it interesting that the the god the christians believe in is the same god the atheist's don't believe in

I also don't believe in the gods you don't believe in.

 

[Larniavc]

No matter your beliefs, you worship something.

Incorrect. There is not a god shaped hole in everyone that needs filling.

This is not uncommon: many religious people simply cannot imagine that a person might not have a god hole that needs to be filled.

I know I don’t.

 

[Freth]

In correct. There is not a god shaped hole in everyone that needs filling.

This is not uncommon: many religious people simply cannot imagine that a person might not have a god hole that needs to be filled.

I know I don’t.

You may not consider it a god or worship in the traditional/Christian sense, but something in your life is a god to you (by Christian definition) and takes precedence above all other things. You're worshiping (by secular definition) something without recognizing it as worship.

For me, for the longest time, it was a number of addictions. Over-eating, coffee, gaming, etc. Those were my world and my gods.

ETA: Parentheses added for context.

 

[Tinker Grey]

You may not consider it a god or worship in the traditional/Christian sense, but something in your life is a god to you and takes precedence above all other things. You're worshiping something without recognizing it as worship.

If I don't recognize something as a god, it's not. If I don't recognize I'm worshipping, I'm not.

 

[Desk trauma]

You may not consider it a god or worship in the traditional/Christian sense, but something in your life is a god to you and takes precedence above all other things. You're worshiping something without recognizing it as worship.

You're not actually worshiping anything. Worship is against human nature and no amount of force can make it sincere even if you belive it to be so....or do only theists get to dictate to others about their nature and beliefs?

 

[Larniavc]

You may not consider it a god or worship in the traditional/Christian sense, but something in your life is a god to you and takes precedence above all other things. You're worshiping something without recognizing it as worship.

It’s cute that you think you can read my mind. I think you are confusing ‘worshipping’ with ‘finds rewarding’.

I’ll return the favour: you don’t worship God, something else takes precedence in your life.

It’s not nice to be told how you think and feel, is it?

 

[Freth]

It’s cute that you think you can read my mind. I think you are confusing ‘worshipping’ with ‘finds rewarding’.

I’ll return the favour: you don’t worship God, something else takes precedence in your life.

It’s not nice to be told how you think and feel, is it?

I'm sorry you took offense. It wasn't meant to be offensive.

By the secular definition of worship, we indeed worship things in our lives, we all do—me included. It used to be that a number of things took precedence in my own life. And indeed they met the above definition of worship. Addictions. Pastimes. Wealth.

The secular definition of worship as per Merriam-Webster:

: extravagant respect or admiration for or devotion to an object of esteem
example: worship of the dollar​

You don't have to agree with this definition of worship and how it applies to your own life.

 

[Freth]

If I don't recognize something as a god, it's not. If I don't recognize I'm worshipping, I'm not.

It could potentially fall within one of the definitions of worship, though. Just because you don't recognize it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

 

[Freth]

You're not actually worshiping anything. Worship is against human nature and no amount of force can make it sincere even if you belive it to be so....or do only theists get to dictate to others about their nature and beliefs?

"Worship is against human nature..."
History would disagree with this point. Look at ancient civilizations.

"...do only theists get to dictate to others about their nature and beliefs?"
Of course not. The "secular" definition of worship most definitely fits things in our lives, therefore, it is worship. From a Christian standpoint, it is false god worship. I did say that you may not recognize it as worship... but from my perspective it is. I'm making a point, that things in our lives we don't recognize are indeed worshipful (by the secular definition) and some form of god (by Christian definition).

You don't have to agree.

 

[Desk trauma]

"Worship is against human nature..."
History would disagree with this point. Look at ancient civilizations.

Thousands of years of defying our nature hence all the violence, conflict and suffering. See, I can make thing up too.

"...do only theists get to dictate to others about their nature and beliefs?"

Of course not. The "secular" definition of worship most definitely fits things in our lives, therefore, it is worship.

Ah, argumentum dictonarium, my favorite. Next comes out the definition of atheism that includes the phrase "denies the existence of god" to argue that we really do believe in your deity we are just pretending otherwise because of our recalcitrance or something.

From a Christian standpoint, it is false god worship.

I did say, "you may not recognize it as such"... but from my perspective it is. I'm making a point, that things in our lives we don't recognize are indeed worshipful (by definition) and some form of god (by Christian definition).

Just as you do not recognize your perpetual defiance of your own nature in your futile attempts to worship, a activity counter to being human, per my definition.

You don't have to agree.

How magnanimous of you.

 

[honey badger]

I'm an atheist and there are thousands and thousands of gods that I don't believe in.
YHWH is merely one among the many thousands.
I also don't believe in ghosts, and angels and demons, valkeries, dragons, fairies, wizards, witches, miracles, magic, vampires, ghouls, zombies, locness, bigfoot, candyman, freddy kruger, jason vorhees, damian from omen, ...

Life would be alot more exciting if these things existed, but alas, I just get my fix from watching movies.

i see no difference between atheisms and christianism ... to me they are just two of many isms ...

 

[Freth]

Thousands of years of defying our nature hence all the violence, conflict and suffering. See, I can make thing up too.

Ah, argumentum dictonarium, my favorite. Next comes out the definition of atheism that includes the phrase "denies the existence of god" to argue that we really do believe in your deity we are just pretending otherwise because of our recalcitrance or something.

Just as you do not recognize your perpetual defiance of your own nature in your futile attempts to worship, a activity counter to being human, per my definition.

How magnanimous of you.

Thousands of years of defying our nature hence all the violence, conflict and suffering. See, I can make thing up too.

And yet there is still violence, conflict and suffering in the secular world.

Ah, argumentum dictonarium, my favorite. Next comes out the definition of atheism that includes the phrase "denies the existence of god" to argue that we really do believe in your deity we are just pretending otherwise because of our recalcitrance or something.

The definition exists. It's not a fallacy. It exists for a reason.

Just as you do not recognize your perpetual defiance of your own nature in your futile attempts to worship, a activity counter to being human, per my definition. How magnanimous of you.

I'm not in defiance of my nature. If I were, I wouldn't be completely at peace and happy.

 

[Desk trauma]

Thousands of years of defying our nature hence all the violence, conflict and suffering. See, I can make thing up too.

And yet there is still violence, conflict and suffering in the secular world.

At a much lower rate, compare the crime stats of the close to majority non-religious European countries to the very religious Central American ones. Note how the murder rates are an order of magnitude higher in Central America.

Just as you do not recognize your perpetual defiance of your own nature in your futile attempts to worship, a activity counter to being human, per my definition. How magnanimous of you.

I'm not in defiance of my nature. If I were, I wouldn't be completely at peace and happy.

...of course you are and of course you are not, you just do not recognize it.

Just because you do not recognize it does not mean it is not so.

 

[Larniavc]

I'm sorry you took offense.

But not sorry that what you said was offensive: just sorry that I took offence?

 

[Larniavc]

i see no difference between atheisms and christianism ... to me they are just two of many isms ...

Not so. The very word ‘A theism’ should give you the clue that there is no ‘ism’ in atheism.

 

[honey badger]

Atheists see no evidence for the existence of any god. Your God just happens to be the local version.

OB

very very few have even heard of the God i see everywhere and in everything .... the local versions you do not believe in ( including the christian one ) are just worldly perceptions of Him ....

Steven Hawkins believed nothing came from nothing and therefor his belief system was also without proof of evidence and therefor it could be said ( in the christian meaning of the word ) his belief was based in faith ... seeing no one has ever seen nothing ....

 

[honey badger]

Not so. The very word ‘A theism’ should give you the clue that there is no ‘ism’ in atheism.

An ism is an ist and an ist is an ant, but the ants don't like the isms and the isms don't like the ants. The point is, everyone sees from their own point of view .. and this is where isms, ants and ists are birthed out of, trying to make a name for ourselves which only brings confusion. .

 

[Desk trauma]

i see no difference between atheisms and christianism ... to me they are just two of many isms ...

Sorry to hear about this dire level of myopia.

 

[Desk trauma]

An ism is an ist and an ist is an ant, but the ants don't like the isms and the isms don't like the ants. The point is, everyone sees from their own point of view .. and this is where isms, ants and ists are birthed out of, trying to make a name for ourselves which only brings confusion. .

Yeah, that's not how English works.