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http://www.christianforums.com/t7671353-post60973949/#post60973949You think the heart of someone who steals a paperclip flippantly has the same heart as someone who would rob a bank?
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What my dear brother gradyll is saying is that our heart's condition is one that is dark, and unable to produce purely righteous desires. There is always a hint of self-sufficiency mingled in with our "virtuous" acts.
The Holy Scriptures paint a clear picture for us.
Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. (Genesis 6:5)
"The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it? (Jeremiah 17:9)
"For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, (Mark 7:21)
Their feet run to evil, And they hasten to shed innocent blood; Their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity, Devastation and destruction are in their highways. (Isaiah 59:7)
Transgressing and denying the LORD, And turning away from our God, Speaking oppression and revolt, Conceiving in and uttering from the heart lying words. (Isaiah 59:13)
For a fool speaks nonsense, And his heart inclines toward wickedness: To practice ungodliness and to speak error against the LORD, To keep the hungry person unsatisfied And to withhold drink from the thirsty. (Isaiah 32:6)
Now of course it is plainly understood that as regards our actions, each act has it's own correlating consequence or effect.
To steal a paperclip and to rob a bank are going to have their own drastically different consequences. With regards to the latter, you will more than likely either be shot dead, or either be incarcerated for a significant amount of time if you are caught. Both acts are sinful in God's sight because it is taking something that is not yours. If you want a paperclip and see one on someone's desk, you should ask the person if they are there, and if they are not, just go somewhere else and find a paperclip.
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I've seen way too many examples of something else, that what's done is in a complete and total virtuous manor and where the light of the Soul shines through for all to see. Its blood that flows through our veins, not acid.
I turn what your wrote around 180 degrees and ask the question" How can we become more human, Human Beings. Jesus talked a lot about Love, Compassion and Service to others as the Way. I think that's a pretty big hint.
Again, turning your point upside down, the focal point I believe should not be what we are unable to produce...but look at what we CAN do...especially when done through a heart felt Love, Compassion and Service to others.
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The Law of Love...I don't see "Legality" in that law. And isn't it the Law of Love which Jesus taught?
So no, not every law has legality. Some laws are about "life".
Edited to add: It's when we don't look upon things through the eyes of Love..that's when we start getting all Legal about everything.
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If I may ask, according to your beliefs, who did Jesus worship and pray to? And who is Jesus?
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I tend to ask those questions a bit differently. I find that when I put on the sandals of Jesus Christ and when I wear the Heart of Christ as Jesus carried His heart, and when I open myself up to what Jesus opened Himself up to when He prayed...that's who I pray to.
Who is Jesus...Christ is the "Light of the Cosmos".
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if it's required for salvation you do.
1 john 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
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