Atheism (3)

[Skavau]

GOD being the CREATOR has the right to kill anyone.

How arbitrary of you. You allow God the right to kill whom he wants for whatever reason he likes. How morally subjective.

For HE has said: In the day that you eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,{which is to sin}"you shall surely die".
For GOD has also said "the wages of sin is death". So the fact that GOD allows us to live as long as HE does{when really all we deserve is death because we're all "sinner's"}is truly amazing. Especially when HE allows those who hate to continue living for many years in comfort,and peace of worldly good's.

The above is white noise to me.

 

[Skavau]

All your arguments our based on carnal logic. So until GOD enlightens your mind,and are transformed into a Spiritual man By Christ. Everything i say is only going to sound ridiculous,and foolish to you. For you in a state of rebellion against GOD ALMIGHTY,and unless HE MAKES peace with you,the infinite lower of the two,by HIS GRACE. You will continue in a perpetual state of enmity against GOD.

I'm sorry, but you sound like a Cylon.

Not an insult, just an observation. At least you admit your arguments appear to most people to be ridiculous and state that we have to be reprogrammed to accept them.

 

[Skavau]

Because GOD is the MOST HIGH GOD,and HE can do what HE want's. Who is the created to shake his fist at the CREATOR?? Would you argue with a drill Sargent who told you to do something?? These petty little comparisons do the GOD who created the UNIVERSE no justice. It's like being angry at the sun for being hot.

So your worldview is ultimately completely amoral.

All your talk about piety, compassion, righteousness and whatnot all come down to absolutely nothing. It is all about God. God may do and act how he pleases to anyone at any time and in anyway he feels like. This is not morality, but obedience. You worldview literally views humans as slaves. God could do anything at any time and you would always describe it as righteous and holy.

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

How arbitrary of you. You allow God the right to kill whom he wants for whatever reason he likes. How morally subjective.


The above is white noise to me.

Yeah HE is the only one with that right. But then you will say. "Well then... that makes GOD a hypocrite. But the only reason there is death in the first place. Is because men sin,and the wages of sin is death. What right has a judge to send a man to prison for the rest of his life for breaking a law??

 

[trientje]

Uhhh...... hmm..... I see......

I don't suppose you have any evidence for that huge conspiracy either, do you?

What all these people have been telling you is in the bible. Read it.

 

[Skavau]

Yeah HE is the only one with that right. But then you will say. "Well then... that makes GOD a hypocrite.

No, I will say that makes you inconsistent.

You claim to be against murder (I assume) at all times and claim moral objectivity but defend God when he does it and grant him the right to do it for any reason.

One can only assume that you do not actually hate murder for what it is but hate murder because God condemns it. Otherwise you would condemn murder no matter who ordered or committed it.

But the only reason there is death in the first place. Is because men sin,and the wages of sin is death.

Uh, okay.

So why should I be held accountable for the sins of my ancestors?

What right has a judge to send a man to prison for the rest of his life for breaking a law??

A lot if the judge is legitimately appointed, and is applying a proportionate punishment for someone breaking a necessary law.

 

[dlamberth]

Because GOD is the MOST HIGH GOD,and HE can do what HE want's. Who is the created to shake his fist at the CREATOR?? Would you argue with a drill Sargent who told you to do something?? These petty little comparisons do the GOD who created the UNIVERSE no justice. It's like being angry at the sun for being hot.

Just as I bask in the heat of the sun, I also bask in the Love of God.

Just as there is no cold in the sun, there is no hate in God....there is only Love, compassion, mercy and forgiveness.

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[SeraphimsCherub]

Just as I bask in the heat of the sun, I also bask in the Love of God.

Just as there is no cold in the sun, there is no hate in God....there is only Love, compassion, mercy and forgiveness.

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Amen friend...

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

No, I will say that makes you inconsistent.

You claim to be against murder (I assume) at all times and claim moral objectivity but defend God when he does it and grant him the right to do it for any reason.

One can only assume that you do not actually hate murder for what it is but hate murder because God condemns it. Otherwise you would condemn murder no matter who ordered or committed it.


Uh, okay.

So why should I be held accountable for the sins of my ancestors?


A lot if the judge is legitimately appointed, and is applying a proportionate punishment for someone breaking a necessary law.

Are you without sin my friend??

 

[dlamberth]

Yeah HE is the only one with that right. But then you will say. "Well then... that makes GOD a hypocrite.

It's not God that's the hypocrite...It's the belief system.[/quote]

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[dlamberth]

Are you without sin my friend??

Blood flows through my veins, not acid.

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[Skavau]

Are you without sin my friend??

This question effectively asks "Am I perfect?" Since I don't recognise the concept of 'sin' I will answer as if sin is true: no.

No-one is "without sin" and I know that's the point of Christian doctrine but your original point on this was that the reason we die is because of the effects of sin. The effects of sin happened before my birth. How is it fair I am accountable by default of the actions of my ancestors?

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

This question effectively asks "Am I perfect?" Since I don't recognise the concept of 'sin' I will answer as if sin is true: no.

No-one is "without sin" and I know that's the point of Christian doctrine but your original point on this was that the reason we die is because of the effects of sin. The effects of sin happened before my birth. How is it fair I am accountable by default of the actions of my ancestors?

because for every cause there is an effect. When they ate of the seed of sin. The tree of sinful humanity was born. And it is the common heredity,and lot of all human being who are born into this matrix of sin. That's what makes it necessary for GOD to bear our sin's for us in the Person of HIS SON. For only GOD the HIGHER POWER can reverse the consequences of chain reaction of sin,and death through the TREE OF LIFE which HE PLANTED IN HIS SON.

 

[Skavau]

because for every cause there is an effect. When they ate of the seed of sin. The tree of sinful humanity was born. And it is the common heredity,and lot of all human being who are born into this matrix of sin.

Uh, okay. So it is not my fault. I was born with the propensity towards sin.

At any rate, for "every cause there is an effect" is all well and good but it is meaningless for God. God could have just prevented the effects from the "seed of sin" being eaten. He could have ensured that no-one would be born into a matrix sin and predestined towards hellfire. He is after all God and capable of doing anything.

That's what makes it necessary for GOD to bear our sin's for us in the Person of HIS SON. For only GOD the HIGHER POWER can reverse the consequences of chain reaction of sin,and death through the TREE OF LIFE which HE PLANTED IN HIS SON.

Yes, I know Christians believe this.

The solution for this 'sin' though is unconvincing at best. The method isolates people who do not believe in him or believe in another path to redemption (such as Muslims). It is basically a solution that requires conviction in a truth-based proposition for a supposedly immoral situation. The answer bears no resemblance to the problem.

Not to mention all the moral problems of scapegoating your sin onto a human sacrifice.

 

[dlamberth]

because for every cause there is an effect. When they ate of the seed of sin. The tree of sinful humanity was born. And it is the common heredity,and lot of all human being who are born into this matrix of sin. That's what makes it necessary for GOD to bear our sin's for us in the Person of HIS SON. For only GOD the HIGHER POWER can reverse the consequences of chain reaction of sin,and death through the TREE OF LIFE which HE PLANTED IN HIS SON.

And because of this belief it than makes sense to you for the atrocities of God as depicted in the Old Testament?

When I watch the Love a mother has for her new born baby, I have no doubt that though we are capable of doing what we judge as bad, we are in fact born into the matrix of Love, not sin. That’s verified to me when I watch my own actions and feelings with my own grandchildren.


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[Belk]

Because GOD is the MOST HIGH GOD,and HE can do what HE want's. Who is the created to shake his fist at the CREATOR?? Would you argue with a drill Sargent who told you to do something?? These petty little comparisons do the GOD who created the UNIVERSE no justice. It's like being angry at the sun for being hot.

So might makes right?

 

[Dave Ellis]

Because GOD is the MOST HIGH GOD,and HE can do what HE want's. Who is the created to shake his fist at the CREATOR?? Would you argue with a drill Sargent who told you to do something?? These petty little comparisons do the GOD who created the UNIVERSE no justice. It's like being angry at the sun for being hot.

Again, Red Herring.

I'm basing my argument off of how you guys defined your God. If you defined him in a logically inconsistent way, that's not my fault.

Now address the points, or admit you can't.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Yeah HE is the only one with that right. But then you will say. "Well then... that makes GOD a hypocrite. But the only reason there is death in the first place. Is because men sin,and the wages of sin is death. What right has a judge to send a man to prison for the rest of his life for breaking a law??

Non-Sequitur.... God has no right to Judge if he invented Sin and made mankind in a way that would make sin inevitable.

 

[Dave Ellis]

What all these people have been telling you is in the bible. Read it.

Really... One world governments, chips forcibly implanted into your hand and all that conspiracy theory nonsense is in the bible?

I must have missed that when I read the bible.... care to show me where exactly?

Then explain why it counts as evidence even if it is in the bible.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Amen friend...

Wait a second... Amen? What he wrote contradicts what you have been writing.