At Crossroads -- Cf's Vision Discussion Thread - Please Vote in Poll Thread

[kimber1]

ahh never mind, thread is moving toooooooooo fast!!!!

 

[Petunia]

I have had sparklecat delete 2 posts where I objected to posting in the other thread.

A bit heavy handed to say the least. Are we not allowed to disagree with her on the issue of posting in this thread?

I don't want my comments moved to your other thread. I want them to remain in this thread.

When Erwin opened this thread.. he said..

Please feel free to discuss this issue in this thread.

 

[Lisa0315]

Ravenscape is serving as an excellent mod here at CF.

Her modding skills are exemplary.

...and has been on staff long before new CF in another capacity...

Lisa

 

[Beastt]

I don't want my comments moved to your other thread. I want them to remain in this thread.

When Erwin opened this thread.. he said..

Threads automatically split at 1000 posts. Did you want Erwin to stop everything else and re-code the site so that you could post in the other thread?

It's not really a separate thread, by the way. It's an extension of the first. Think of it as "Volume Two".

 

[Debi1967]

Here's the key; stop persecuting people and people will stop complaining about being persecuted.

But as soon as Erwin comes forward with a system which will stop or limit the persecution, "Christians" are the ones to start "bellyaching".

Are you aware that when you tell other people to "grow up", you're talking down to them and demonstrating that you believe you're more mature than them? Maybe you should look at that for a moment. It might well be part of the problem.

I have seen you belly ache about nothing but how bad us Christians are and how we are persecuting you in this thread take a look in the mirror

 

[GreenMunchkin]

No, I'd much prefer that you take a moment and recognize that you're claiming to believe one thing but insisting on practicing another. And I'm not calling you a bigot. I'm simply showing you that the system you're promoting is one of bigotry by any recognized standard. So don't get mad, get enlightened.

I've Jesus to enlighten me, Beastt. You're not on a par with Him, I'm afriad.

I'm curious as to what system you think I'm promoting?

Bigotry; Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or religion: intolerance, prejudice.

Who am I intolerant of? Feel free to re-post an example of that.

When you insist that to be a Christian site Christians have to be in charge and in control over non-Christians, you're showing prejudice and intolerance. Being a member of staff isn't a job that Christians can naturally do better than non-Christians. In fact, when you consider the fact that one of the primary mandates that should apply is being impartial, forcing every team to consist of Christians only is practically guaranteeing that impartiality won't exist.

Well, I've not actually mentioned what I want to see happen, as I understand I don't get to decide. In fact, I abstained from voting.

Can you say the same?

I've never suggested that CF stop utilizing true Christian values. There would be no point because it never has. It's used dictatorial values consistent with pure bigotry. I'm suggesting that it lives up to what it claims. It claims to be a "community" which promotes Christians values. But it has no credible claim to being a community when the members are under the thumb of a few select Christians and as long as it promotes inequality and intolerance, it's not practicing Christian values.

You're completely unaware of the irony of your feeling you can arbitrarily decide what are and aren't Christian values when you loathe how CF used to be partly for that very reason.

You're only using those labels because there's no logical argument against what I'm saying. Yet you don't want to admit that I'm right, so you just apply labels. If you think I'm wrong, then demonstrate that I'm wrong. But you can't. And you can't because I'm right.

I feel like you're singing a nursery rhyme.

I've used no labels. You've used bigot. There's no need to disprove what you're saying, because all you're expressing is opinions, and you're entitled to them. That doesn't make them correct.

You're promoting bigotry, not Christianity.

So you've said... explain how, if you would.

 

[Hentenza]

I just cannot understand the confusion unless it is deliberate, you know? It is so clear to me. Atheists are going to apply and be voted in only in the non-congregational/non-theological areas. What is the problem?

As far as denominational, it is the same thing...Catholics COULD vote a fundie in, but likely will not.

Lisa

But if that is the case, what stops anyone from changing their faith icon to pretend to be who they are not. At least the old rules prevented anyone from switching at will. I see that as a problem.

God Bless

 

[ravenscape]

I have had sparklecat delete 2 posts where I objected to posting in the other thread.

A bit heavy handed to say the least. Are we not allowed to disagree with her on the issue of posting in this thread?

I don't want my comments moved to your other thread. I want them to remain in this thread.

When Erwin opened this thread.. he said..

When this thread reaches 1000 posts, then the poll will automatically close and no one else will be able to vote.

That's why sparklecat opened the new thread, after consulting with some online admins about our options for keeping the poll open.

It's not an effort to stifle discussion. It's an effort to allow people to vote.

 

[JimfromOhio]

I have had sparklecat delete 2 posts where I objected to posting in the other thread.

A bit heavy handed to say the least. Are we not allowed to disagree with her on the issue of posting in this thread?

I don't want my comments moved to your other thread. I want them to remain in this thread.

When Erwin opened this thread.. he said..

If this thread get to 1,000 post, people can't vote. I understand because my post got deleted too. I would respect that and move on.

 

[ScottBot]

Here's the key; stop persecuting people and people will stop complaining about being persecuted.

But as soon as Erwin comes forward with a system which will stop or limit the persecution, "Christians" are the ones to start "bellyaching".

Are you aware that when you tell other people to "grow up", you're talking down to them and demonstrating that you believe you're more mature than them? Maybe you should look at that for a moment. It might well be part of the problem.

When have you felt in grave danger for your life as a result of posting here?

End of arguement, I refer to my previous example.

When I tell people to grow up, I am indeed making a judgement call regarding their level of maturity. A mature person can take criticism, evaluate it for accuracy, and either reject it if it is indeed extraneous and explain why, or *gasp* admit that the criticism is founded and quite possibly and humbly admit wrong and change.

As an astute observer of the atheist ethic, I have rarely observed the aptitude to admit wrong, primarily because they have replaced the God of creation with the god of their own intellect. To admit mistake would mean to admit that their diety is imperfect and capable of error. SInce ALL of us are laoth to admit that our gods are prone to error, it puts us in a rather tenuous situation. It cracks the foundations of our faith which has been known to cause a rash and particular food cravings.

 

[intricatic]

Here's the key; stop persecuting people and people will stop complaining about being persecuted.

How are people persecuted on a Christian internet Ministry such as this? There are abuses by staff, and that definitely needs to be redressed. I'd actually suggest restructuring staff and rewriting staff protocol to actually hold staff to a higher level than the regular membership.

But as soon as Erwin comes forward with a system which will stop or limit the persecution, "Christians" are the ones to start "bellyaching".

You mean as soon as Erwin comes up with a system that trivializes what this site is about and turns it into another generic internet forum? Because that's essentially what's happened.

Are you aware that when you tell other people to "grow up", you're talking down to them and demonstrating that you believe you're more mature than them? Maybe you should look at that for a moment. It might well be part of the problem.

You mean like when you misrepresent what Christianity is about, and then call people bad Christians for not trying to conform to a modernized version of Christianity? Yeah, you'll have that.

 

[KerrMetric]

At least the old rules prevented anyone from switching at will. I see that as a problem.

God Bless

How did it? I know of several posters who switched with the wind.

One infamous poster (15000+ posts if I recall) changed from Baptist to Catholic to Agnostic to Atheist to Deist back to Catholic in about a 2 week period. And then basically repeated this for the next year.

 

[Petunia]

If this thread get to 1,000 post, people can't vote. I understand because my post got deleted too. I would respect that and move on.

Neither can sock puppets from ~elsewhere~.

 

[Lisa0315]

But if that is the case, what stops anyone from changing their faith icon to pretend to be who they are not. At least the old rules prevented anyone from switching at will. I see that as a problem.

God Bless

They could do that under old CF. They have been able to do that for the last two years. The difference is that a mod cannot "yank" someone's faith icon now.

Plus, they could pose as a sock anytime they wanted.

Nothing has changed except visibility has been given to us. Nothing has changed except visibility and accountability.

Lisa

 

[Beastt]

Why are you pushing your non-Christian believes in this forum? You are actually showing exactly why we don't want non-Christian moderators, etc.

I'm not the one pushing nonChristian beliefs in this thread. I've yet to see anyone here promoting bigotry, intolerance and inequality who doesn't identify themselves as a Christian.

I'm simply saying; if you identify with Christian values, why do you have such a problem with putting them into practice?

Why do you have such a problem with me being able to present my thoughts here? You have the right to present yours, why are you so opposed to allowing others that same right? See; that's the problem here. You think because you're a Christian that you should have control over nonChristians and they shouldn't be allowed to present their ideas. But such an idea is distinctly nonChristian. It's pure intolerance. So before trying to point a finger at me, perhaps you should ask yourself what it is you truly believe and whether or not you can practice what you claim to believe.

 

[Lisa0315]

How did it? I know of several posters who switched with the wind.

One infamous poster (15000+ posts if I recall) changed from Baptist to Catholic to Agnostic to Atheist to Deist back to Catholic in about a 2 week period. And then basically repeated this for the next year.

If that is whom I am thinking of, that was due to mental illness, not manipulation of the rules.

Lisa

 

[ScottBot]

Any chance we can have a Sticky thread over in the Ask Staff area that lists all Mods, their past names (if any) and their active sockpuppets if any?

The deceit inbuilt into the system has always been worrying.

There is only one moderator on the staff that routinely used a sock in the forums and he is no longer on staff. And I am not interested in invading the privacy of the other moderators. If they wish to disclose their other accounts, that is their business. I am not going to ask, because I don't care.

 

[Petunia]

If this thread get to 1,000 post, people can't vote. I understand because my post got deleted too. I would respect that and move on.

Yes. But neither can sock puppets from ~elsewhere~.

 

[Hentenza]

How did it? I know of several posters who switched with the wind.

One infamous poster (15000+ posts if I recall) changed from Baptist to Catholic to Agnostic to Atheist to Deist back to Catholic in about a 2 week period. And then basically repeated this for the next year.

This is one issue that could have been tract in the old CF but that is impossible to tract now. If people can just change their icons from one minute to another, then any one can skew voting if they want. That is wrong.

 

[Debi1967]

Please read what I said.

I did and I have been reading the repitious post by Beastt saying the same old thing over and over again and it is enough already we get it!

I have made the point that we are not here to necessarily be a Democracy but to serve God and that is what our Title espoused for a long time.... If we change it then we will be nothing more than a secular site that anyone can use to promote anything they wish.... Our mission statement needs to re-evaluated once again for I don't know the umpteenth time before we can even figure out how we are going to move forward ....

Then from there make up a poll

This poll is flawed as it is now

Given the options I had I voted two

But we need to decide something