This is exactly the kind of attitude we as Christians should be avoiding. It's offensive to non-Christians and will not win over anyone.
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This is exactly the kind of attitude we as Christians should be avoiding. It's offensive to non-Christians and will not win over anyone.Beast again like expressed before many times in this thread - different isnt inferior and equality can only happen with the same experience we are talking about the body of Christ and those who reject the body. You reject membership in the body of Christ therfore you are not equal to those within it and cannot even begin to demand the same when the terms of membership are rejected.
Only if they aren't disgusted by the way that they're shown the truth. Shoving a Bible in someone's face isn't going to get you or them anywhere. It is possible to harm the faith by trying to spread it incorrectly.The truth will set the sinners free.
absolutelyThis is exactly the kind of attitude we as Christians should be avoiding. It's offensive to non-Christians and will not win over anyone.
Only if they aren't disgusted by the way that they're shown the truth. Shoving a Bible in someone's face isn't going to get you or them anywhere. It is possible to harm the faith by trying to spread it incorrectly.
Why try to sugar coat everything and pretend? Why call out, "Hey, I've got some candy, kids?"This is exactly the kind of attitude we as Christians should be avoiding. It's offensive to non-Christians and will not win over anyone.
It is when it means you're more limited.Beast again like expressed before many times in this thread - different isnt inferior
Well then, as a former theist, who are you to tell me that I haven't had the same experiences you claim to have? It's simply not possible for anyone to present any credible challenge on such a basis. Like it or not, I am your equal. The problem is that certain people have chosen to build a structure of inequality here and you're in favor of maintaining and perpetuating that inequality while those of us being treated as inferior, are not.and equality can only happen with the same experience we are talking about the body of Christ and those who reject the body.
I've rejected nothing. And if you want to turn this into a theological debate, I'll be happy to engage you in a proper thread. As is, this is no more credible that if I claimed that the Flying Spaghetti Monster has endowed me with a superiority which you could also claim for yourself, but you choose not to. It's unsupportable, contrary to the evidence and holds no value or merit in a discussion such as this.You reject membership in the body of Christ therfore you are not equal to those within it and cannot even begin to demand the same when the terms of membership are rejected.
Can you imagine living in a country which operates on the policies you're suggesting here? What would such a governmental system be called? Before you start thinking about how glorious that would be, remember that those in charge might not select the beliefs you hold as being the ones that mark you as a superior. They might well decide that your beliefs naturally position you as an inferior.Receive Christ and then you are totally equal with those of the body.
The analogy just doesn't fit. Christian here have continually failed to show that they are in any way superior for holding positions of authority over the forum. If not for that failure, we wouldn't be where we are. If you go to other forums (such as one I frequent -- Cycling Forums), whether or not you're a cyclist, you're considered just as much a member as anyone else, and are free to discuss anything being discussed or start your own discussions.Dont be a fireman demanding to operate on us. The doctors are the ones who need to be doing that.
I would suggest that you are the one comparing apples and oranges. But in all honesty, you can't even show me that your apples exist. Yet you insist that because you believe they do, my oranges are inferior. It just doesn't fly.It has nothing to do with inferior again but being equipped for the position. You keep comparing apples and oranges.
Christ would never take the attitude you have chosen to take here.Why try to sugar coat everything and pretend? Why call out, "Hey, I've got some candy, kids?"
I don't think so. We're Christians; we're a part of a body, Christ's body; they aren't (though I'm not trying to discriminate) and they should be excluded from our activities/discussions/etc.
How is your opinion any more Christ-like than mine? I beg to know.Christ would never take the attitude you have chosen to take here.
He would be appalled.
The Christ I know preached unity, compassion, understanding and truth. You appear to be rejecting the first three in favor of a flawed version of the fourth.How is your opinion any more Christ-like than mine? I beg to know.
and they should be excluded from our activities/discussions/etc. Unless, of course, we open ourselves up.
No, I'm simply trying to "close the circle" so we're not as vulnerable.The Christ I know preached unity, compassion, understanding and truth. You appear to be rejecting the first three in favor of a flawed version of the fourth.
I've never once felt that hearing an atheist's opinion on something was somehow harmful. My faith has always been strong enough to consider their position without jeopardizing my own.You can be rest assured that if an Athiest chose to go to a church and sit down and listen to the message his intent probably is not to disturb the peace of the church. But he also doesn't get to stand up in the pulpit and spout his unbeliefs and ridicule. Thats what makes a forum different, they are allowed too. Just listen to the message, make your own discisions about it. And if you have decided that you just don't believe it, what is your point of returning? Are you really trying to give it another shot, or now is it something else?
I wish you could read your post as though it were written by someone else. If you could, you'd probably see exactly what I see, I'm not trying discriminate but you should be excluded from our activities.Why try to sugar coat everything and pretend? Why call out, "Hey, I've got some candy, kids?"
I don't think so. We're Christians; we're a part of a body, Christ's body; they aren't (though I'm not trying to discriminate) and they should be excluded from our activities/discussions/etc. Unless, of course, we open ourselves up.
Probably opening up.Bingo! We can be open or we can set up a little ghetto for Christians only. Of the two which would you think Jesus would be most interested in?
tulc(just curious)
Vulnerable to what? Hearing other people's opinions? Is that considered dangerous now?No, I'm simply trying to "close the circle" so we're not as vulnerable.
Because a Christian's purpose is to reach out to non-believers.I don't understand what was wrong with the old way?? It was Christian Forums, for Christians. It had a place for non-Believers, but the majority was meant for Christians. The purpose was for Christians. Why change?
I wish you could read your post as though it were written by someone else. If you could, you'd probably see exactly what I see, I'm not trying discriminate but you should be excluded from our activities.
Of course you're not trying to discriminate because we all know that discrimination is wrong. But when you say, "they should be excluded from our activities/discussions/etc.", that's discrimination.
It's like saying, "I don't want to discriminate, but _____ (blacks, whites, indians, asians - whatever), shouldn't be allowed to sit in our theaters."
Whichever purpose he feels compels him to be there. I'm not in the habit of relegating other people's thoughts for them.If the purpose of the theatre is for a black man, what purpose does a white man have in the theatre?
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