At Crossroads -- Cf's Vision Discussion Thread (2) - Please Vote in Poll Thread

[SunMessenger]

Didn't option 2 exclude non-Christians? Isn't that a bit of a restriction?

Not all of the rules from old CF were good practice and should be reviewed before implementation. This will need to be done in all cases if the new system comes to fruition. I am not for restriction . I am for obeying fairly created rules by a Fair, Impartial, Strong and Anonymous Head Administrator...

The main problem with the old CF was that some of the rules needed to cleaned up. This new CF was just overly radical in the way it was intended to proceed...

Sun

 

[tapero]

I would like to see forums set up like how they use to be Christians with Christian areas and non-Christians with their own areas, with fellowship areas for both.

And wikis are just too much for me... I basically have to bug a staffer every few days to ask about where we are with this rule or that rule because it's too confusing. When members violate a rule and then go change the wiki, I just think that's completely useless.

Hi, just want to clarify for any who saw this post and misunderstood.

Wiki's are not the place to find rules.

Rules are only in FAQs (under rules, protocol, etc), and CF Rules (at bottom of every page and also in FAQs) and in Forum Specific Rules called FSRs once stickied in all applicable forums.

Wiki's are place to develop ideas/rules/desires etc, and to gain consensus in, then a copy is taken, and becomes rules, policy, etc, but are not the location of any rules or policy.

Wiki articles can change all the time and is their purpose to do so along with discussion. So when snapshot or copy is made of that article, it is only of what is contained in that second, that will be made rules etc.

So, Wiki's are not where rules are located.

Thanks,
tapero

 

[sparklecat]

Oh and lastly, the rules wikis are just chaos incarnate. I went to look up the rules for the Ethics and Philo forum and from a thread with over 1000 replies, I couldn't glean anything. If there is someone who actually knows what the state is currently, it would be great to have it up in writing somewhere findable.

Here you go.

Philosophy doesn't appear to have anything outside of the core site rules.

 

[MeekOne]

The separation of two sites would be for the purpose of allowing safe havens for both option one and option two. It would in no way restrict the fellowship of either . Each would be allowed access to one or two and would need to follow the guidelines which frame each independent yet joined group. This would give safe haven to those who want it . It would further produce a wonderful pool of people who may be seeking with whom we Christians could fellowship with and pray for. The choice as to which side to post on would be individual and within the rules that would govern each separate yet joined space...

Sun

With all due respect, Sun, this sounds way too complicated.

CF was a ministry and if returned to being a "Christian" forum, will continue to be a ministry and outreach. The Lord will bless this place and strengthen it for returning to a Biblical based foundation.

I agree.

The main problem with the old CF was that some of the rules needed to cleaned up. This new CF was just overly radical in the way it was intended to proceed...

Sun

Then why wasn't that just done. Why all the chaos...its just too much.

 

[SunMessenger]

Originally Posted by SunMessenger
The main problem with the old CF was that some of the rules needed to cleaned up. This new CF was just overly radical in the way it was intended to proceed...

Sun

Originally Posted by MeekOne Then why wasn't that just done. Why all the chaos...its just too much.

That is the question I have been asking all along. That is what all my posts have inquired and that is what has gotten me so mad with these changes. The radical way they were made was the biggest problem of all. That was indeed too much ...

However the man (Erwin) is human and has the right to make mistakes and correct them. That is why I am no longer angry . Forgiveness brings hope of something much , much better. The separate yet equal version of CF would not be complicated but it would be much more productive and peaceful. That I know ...

Sun

 

[GwynApNudd]

I just found this poll. I voted for option 1. Both types of sites are needed, and there are not enough of either. But in my experience it is easier to find a Christians-only site than it is to find a site where Christians and non-Christians can interact in a non-threatening way and which is also sponsored and moderated by Christians, rather than by atheists, agnostics, sceptics, or other non-Christians. And the nature of the site sponsors and forum moderators does influence the nature of the discussion, no mater how fair the moderators are.

 

[zaire]

The new sections of Faith, Fellowship and Mission sucks. Really doesnt make any sence at all. Sorry.

Whats needed is a section for discussion on Christian matters and then an of topic section for music, regions, film, etc.


Basically this:

1.Christian topics
-sub section in this would be mission
2.Non-Christian subjects

Within the christian section there would be the mission type section where non-christian can post, as in general apoligetics................

Man this is hard. Hope someone comes up with something good.

 

[MeekOne]

That is the question I have been asking all along. That is what all my posts have inquired and that is what has gotten me so mad with these changes. The radical way they were made was the biggest problem of all. That was indeed too much ...

I agree that they were much too much.

However the man (Erwin) is human and has the right to make mistakes and correct them. That is why I am no longer angry . Forgiveness brings hope of something much , much better.

I agree completely, by him asking the question and putting it to a vote for option 1 or 2 reveals that he has come to the conclusion that he has made a mistake and is willing to fix it. That's what separates the men from the boys, standing up and facing what needs to be corrected.
He deserves an applaud for that for sure.

The separate yet equal version of CF would not be complicated but it would be much more productive and peaceful. That I know ...

Sun

In my humble opinion I think two CFs would be too much for Erwin to deal with when he has already said he doesn't have enough time for even one CF on a constant basis. We need a simpler solution, not a more convoluted one. We need to go back to where we were and address and fix the real issues from there. If new rules need to be made, then make them, if new staff need to be put in place, then place them. If staff are out of control, then replace them. This is fair. However, taking a Christian forum and putting it in control of non-Christians is ludicrous.

 

[Lindon Tinuviel]

It is beside the point. The accusation of "persecution" has been raised several times and has been supported by both of you (I never said you started it, just supported it)

Wrong. Back up your accusation or back off -- right now.

 

[MeekOne]

Wrong. Back up your accusation or back off -- right now.

Why does this sound like a threat? Can't we just speak like civilized people? Would you speak to her in person like this? Something you may want to ask yourself before telling someone to back off, that's not a very nice way to come across. This whole forum has become very very tense lately and I think we all need to take a deep breath before we hurt someone with our words. Just a suggestion.

 

[Lindon Tinuviel]

I'd rather come across as gruff than spread lies about other people.

 

[A New Dawn]

I'd rather come across as gruff than spread lies about other people.

I apologize for mentioning names. Although you were involved in a part of a couple of discussions regarding persecution, and I got the instances mixed up.

However, my point all along has been to suggest that the persecution discussions are over the top and should be avoided.

 

[JPPT1974]

Voted thanks!

 

[Lindon Tinuviel]

Apology accepted, of course. I agree with you, as well... on this board there has never been a Ghetto, no Holocaust ever occurred, and Christian persecution has never existed.

In the real world, they did. But not here. Such comparisons are both insensitive and counter-productive.

 

[WordofGod]

2. Return to a more restricted Christians-only site with a heavy emphasis on uniting mainstream Christians only with a less emphasis on outreach, in which case we keep the name.



Option #2

 

[Just4Jesus]

I voted #2, God bless you Erwin, I know your heart is in the right place. You are appreciated more than you know.

 

[kimber1]

holy cow....i'll NEVER catch up.....................

 

[Kelly]

Option 2 more closely supports the mission of the site "uniting all Christians as one body".

 

[ZACTAK]

Actually I did miss the significance of your quantifiers. I do agree that some of the comparisons with Nazis, etc. are unfair.

I apologize for the misreading.

Hey, it's alright We all misread things sometimes... I know I have done it in the past

 

[rainygirl]

Jumping in late to say that I don't really care for EITHER option one or two...