Asking my P/C comrades, Why is Preterism Wrong?

[BenAdam]

I posted this here vs. the Eschatology Forum because I want to know your views. I have discovered that I beleive quite abit of what Partial Preterists believe. Thoughts, comments?

 

[JimB]

Maybe you should define Preterism. Actually, preterism explains a lot of what Jesus said about the “last days” that my former Hal Lindsey-Tim LaHaye brand of Pre-Mil/Pre-Trib interpretations had to do a lot of fancy sidestepping to explain. I have not bought the whole preterist package, but they do have some points worth considering.

~Jim

 

[JimB]

BTW, Here’s an interesting and objective article at Wikipedia about “Preterism”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preterism

~Jim

 

[Father Rick]

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[Andrew]

Some of the preterist views I can accept, some -- like the 2nd coming and rapture already happened -- I cannot.

So it really depends on the topic.

Full preterism is not acceptable here I guess becos it goes against the Nicene Creed -- the part about the 2nd coming.

 

[BenAdam]

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a. Full Preterism.


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Duly noted FR, but I am asking about Partial, not Full. Is that ok?

 

[Father Rick]

Duly noted FR, but I am asking about Partial, not Full. Is that ok?

No problems...

Just making a note in the file as a preventative measure.

Blessings!

 

[BenAdam]

Maybe you should define Preterism. Actually, preterism explains a lot of what Jesus said about the “last days” that my former Hal Lindsey-Tim LaHaye brand of Pre-Mil/Pre-Trib interpretations had to do a lot of fancy sidestepping to explain. I have not bought the whole preterist package, but they do have some points worth considering.

~Jim

Well I believe that many prophecies were fulfilled in the sack of Jerusalem, I don't believe in premillenial dispensationalism (ie not a rapture person), I believe that the end that Jesus and Paul spoke of was the end of the Mosaic Law, etc. I don't think the Second Coming has happened yet. I guess that is what I mean by preterist.

 

[Andyman_1970]

Well I believe that many prophecies were fulfilled in the sack of Jerusalem, I don't believe in premillenial dispensationalism (ie not a rapture person),

I agree, not to mention I don’t believe in the rapture, that is followers of Jesus flying all around the place when He returns………..

I believe that the end that Jesus and Paul spoke of was the end of the Mosaic Law, etc.

I disagree (which I’m sure you’re not surprised), but that’s not the topic of this thread, so I’ll leave it at that.

I don't think the Second Coming has happened yet. I guess that is what I mean by preterist.

I agree…………..

 

[Andry]

I believe that the end that Jesus and Paul spoke of was the end of the Mosaic Law, etc.

I disagree (which I’m sure you’re not surprised), but that’s not the topic of this thread, so I’ll leave it at that.

BenAdam, Andyman......dudes, start a separate thread of why/why not?

 

[riverpastor]

Zechariah 14:1-3 - BEHOLD, A day of the Lord is coming when the spoil [taken from you] shall be divided [among the victors] in the midst of you. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses rifled and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the Lord go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle.

Verse 4 - And His feet shall stand in that day upon the Mount of Olives, which lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from the east to the west by a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north and half of it toward the south.​

Josephus records an array of lights (possible chariots, angels) in the sky over Jerusalem during its "sacking" and many contend that this is the "second coming" of preterism.

Though I also believe that there are many points to the Preterist view, I have never recieved an answer to the question concerning Zechariah 14:4. If "full preterism" has taken place, then what happened to this verse?

Hence, partial preterism may be the only preterism that exists.

I do believe that "the Day of the Lord" throughout scripture is an over-looked subject...

 

[chris91]

The Preterists believe that Jesus has already returned and that even the events in Revelation have already occured by 70 AD. Absolutely incorrect. I do not have it but there is biblical AND scientific facts that prove the book of Revelation was written in about 95 AD. We all know that Jesus has not returned yet. The Preterists are completely incorrect. All Christians here need to research this out. It goes against most all of Christian beliefs.

 

[BenAdam]

The Preterists believe that Jesus has already returned and that even the events in Revelation have already occured by 70 AD. Absolutely incorrect. I do not have it but there is biblical AND scientific facts that prove the book of Revelation was written in about 95 AD. We all know that Jesus has not returned yet. The Preterists are completely incorrect. All Christians here need to research this out. It goes against most all of Christian beliefs.

Well we are talking about partial preterism.

 

[Andry]

The dating of the book of Revelations is still debatable.

 

[riverpastor]

The dating of the book of Revelations is still debatable.

This is what I understand as well.

 

[BenAdam]

Zechariah 14:1-3 - BEHOLD, A day of the Lord is coming when the spoil [taken from you] shall be divided [among the victors] in the midst of you. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses rifled and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the Lord go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle.

Verse 4 - And His feet shall stand in that day upon the Mount of Olives, which lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from the east to the west by a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north and half of it toward the south.​

Josephus records an array of lights (possible chariots, angels) in the sky over Jerusalem during its "sacking" and many contend that this is the "second coming" of preterism.

Though I also believe that there are many points to the Preterist view, I have never recieved an answer to the question concerning Zechariah 14:4. If "full preterism" has taken place, then what happened to this verse?

Hence, partial preterism may be the only preterism that exists.

I do believe that "the Day of the Lord" throughout scripture is an over-looked subject...

Well God help us if the Second Coming has already occured. This world is in sad shape.

 

[chris91]

http://www.christeternalchristianchurch.com/learningactivity39.htm
Check out this link. It explains a lot about dating the book of Revelation.

 

[Andry]

And I can give you a list of resources that says otherwise.

Bottomline is, there is still no consensus even amongst Biblical scholars and theologians.

 

[Andyman_1970]

BenAdam, Andyman......dudes, start a separate thread of why/why not?

Eh..............that subject is a dead horse around here........but if someone wants to start a thread I'll be sure and comment.

 

[Andry]

Eh..............that subject is a dead horse around here........but if someone wants to start a thread I'll be sure and comment.

BenAdam already has, and waiting for your response.